NY Giants coaches film analysis

"Right now, we're an under-performing offense, if we had solid leadership, we'd be an overachieving offense"

Kap still just hasn't gotten over that hump. Right now he has plateaued as a QB. I think he is to reliant on his athleticism. He does great things because he is physically gifted, much like a Randall Cunningham or early Steve Young. But until he really learns to play the position the offense is going to have issues.

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
"Right now, we're an under-performing offense, if we had solid leadership, we'd be an overachieving offense"

Yikes, jonny.

No one to blame but yourself when this thread turns into another Kap Thread-esque sh!tstorm.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Kap still just hasn't gotten over that hump. Right now he has plateaued as a QB. I think he is to reliant on his athleticism. He does great things because he is physically gifted, much like a Randall Cunningham or early Steve Young. But until he really learns to play the position the offense is going to have issues.

Randall Cunningham and Steve Young didn't have their offensive coordinators leaving their best WRs on the sideline for the majority of the game

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
"Right now, we're an under-performing offense, if we had solid leadership, we'd be an overachieving offense"

Yikes, jonny.

No one to blame but yourself when this thread turns into another Kap Thread-esque sh!tstorm.

I'm not saying that Kap has been outstanding but the problems with this offense are not that easy to fix

Roman still just hasn't gotten over that hump. Right now he has plateaued as a OC. I think he is to reliant on his first year. He does great things because he has Fangio, much like a Kevin Gilbride or early Jimmy Ray. But until he really learns to coach the position the offense is going to have issues.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Kap still just hasn't gotten over that hump. Right now he has plateaued as a QB. I think he is to reliant on his athleticism. He does great things because he is physically gifted, much like a Randall Cunningham or early Steve Young. But until he really learns to play the position the offense is going to have issues.

I'm going to wait for jonnydel's analysis, but usually he backs up his observations with a lot of good "philm" that I don't have. While I disagree with johnny that it's[b] leadership vs confidence[/b], I'd like to see what he means - because maybe he and I are really talking about the same thing.

Personally, I saw a lot of good execution between the 20's in the Giants game, but I don't have jonnydel's wider perspective, specially on A. Davis' pass protection woes. I agree with Jonnydel that pass protection has been and is currently a problem. But I don't know why, or who is causing the problems, whereas with johnny's resources, he can tell us where the breakdowns are happening (ie he's pointing A. Davis) If so, will putting Jonathan Martin there help in the pass protection?

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
"Right now, we're an under-performing offense, if we had solid leadership, we'd be an overachieving offense"

Yikes, jonny.

No one to blame but yourself when this thread turns into another Kap Thread-esque sh!tstorm.

He probably already knows where it's going to go. The last analysis thread ended pretty much the same way too.

Couldn't agree more with this! I think Kap really needs to elevate his game & others around him with his leadership. There's been numerous times when we've had guys out of formation or false start penalties & other elite QBs get on their players, they demand excellence, they lead the offense/huddle, they come off the field & rally their team. Kap just seems to stand around like one of the other guys on the team. The big difference between the D and the offense is definitely leadership & it shows on the field.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Ck has to do a better job of leading by example in these games. He's only going to make the guys around him better and truly be that leader on offense if he can show that he can consistently play at a high level.

The great QB's aren't just great because of their own talent. They're great leaders and great leaders make those around them better. What I see right now, is an offense that doesn't have that kind of leadership from it's QB. To me, For this offense to progress and break through it's ceiling of mediocrity - it won't matter who the head coach is or who the O-Coord is, the QB has to raise his level of play and his leadership abilities to make those around him better.

Right now, we're an under-performing offense, if we had solid leadership, we'd be an overachieving offense, like our defense is. When we had our best years as an offense - in the glory days, our QB's were, above everything else, great leaders and seen as leaders by the team. They made others around them better. Look at the receivers that Peyton Manning has played with. When those guys are with Manning - they're pro bowl elite receivers. Without him, most of them struggle to maintain a starting job. Look at the O-line's Rodgers has played behind. None of those guys right now, or in the past several years, have been pro-bowl guys(with the exception of Jeff Saturday). Yet, Rodgers gets those guys to play at a high level and the offense to play at a high level.

To me, the biggest deficiency on offense has nothing to do with X's and O's, but our QB getting all of our guys to lead our guys to greatness. Unfortunately, that's not something that you simply fix in the short term or that you can diagram into a gameplan. But, that's not to say it's not possible for a guy to grow into that role.

think of Patrick Willis. When he came into the league he was a great player, but not always a great leader. He was very quiet and wasn't the guy to lead the way. Now, he's the unequivocal leader of our defense.

Sorry but how can a QB elevate the play of his oline? Buy them Rolex watches, or give them cookies on the sidelines!?

Can someone give examples?

Originally posted by Jcool:
Kap still just hasn't gotten over that hump. Right now he has plateaued as a QB. I think he is to reliant on his athleticism. He does great things because he is physically gifted, much like a Randall Cunningham or early Steve Young. But until he really learns to play the position the offense is going to have issues.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Kap still just hasn't gotten over that hump. Right now he has plateaued as a QB. I think he is to reliant on his athleticism. He does great things because he is physically gifted, much like a Randall Cunningham or early Steve Young. But until he really learns to play the position the offense is going to have issues.

this is still year two of keep, I'm sure peyton manning was a monster and making everyone pro bowlers in year two

Good point, jonnydel, about Anthony Davis. At times, he looked so slow reacting to the speed rush, and he has done that for a long time. IIRC, he was the one who gave up the immediate pressure that caused the poor throw from Kap to Crab in last year's NFCCG that cost us that game. He may be a good run blocker, but he is terrible in pass pro.

On crucial passing downs, I think our coaches should always give A. Davis some help.

Originally posted by verb1der:
Sorry but how can a QB elevate the play of his oline? Buy them Rolex watches, or give them cookies on the sidelines!?

Can someone give examples?

Kap was supposed to go block for Vernon after handing off the ball to him duh

I mean most teams hand the ball off to their struggling TE instead of their Potential HOF Running back