NY Giants coaches film analysis

Originally posted by jonnydel:
As far as I understand, from what I've read, and what I've seen, Borland plays the "mike" and Wilhoite the "Jack". Fangio talked about how they were trying to determine in pre-season which position Willis was gonna play because if Wilhoite started, Willis would be the "mike" and if Borland started, he would be the "Jack". In the Dallas game, the mic they had on Willis he came to the sideline and said, "boy playing that Mike sure is a different animal".

I may have said the wrong terminology. I'll default to Wikipedia to help me out here so I can say the right terminology...

[quote=Wikipedia]There are two types of ILB's, the Mike(for strong side) and the will(for weak side). The Mike typically is the more athletic linebacker, who can blitz, drop into coverage, play the run, and "spy" the quarterback.[11] The Will is typically the stronger and larger of the two linebackers, and is used almost like a Fullback on the defense. He takes on and occupies blockers for the Mike, allowing the Mike to flow to the ball and make tackles[/quote]

So from this article from Wikipedia - I would think Borland is playing the Will position, and I would think Wilhoit plays the Mike position, because he can flow to the ball and make the tackle. One reason I say this is because Wilhoit probably calls the defenses - being the more experienced Linebacker and also I think is better in space and has the speed to cover. Borland doesn't have the speed that Wilhoit has, although he has instincts - and they are extraordinary! I would think Wilhoit is the better coverage linebacker and Borland is the better Will linebacker - because the defense can benefit from his aggressiveness and also his quick instincts to stuff runs, which I think is the primary responsibility of the Will 'backer.

But you probably are right since Borland is like averaging 11+ solo tackles ever since he started, that is one indication he's playing the Mike position.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
As far as I understand, from what I've read, and what I've seen, Borland plays the "mike" and Wilhoite the "Jack". Fangio talked about how they were trying to determine in pre-season which position Willis was gonna play because if Wilhoite started, Willis would be the "mike" and if Borland started, he would be the "Jack". In the Dallas game, the mic they had on Willis he came to the sideline and said, "boy playing that Mike sure is a different animal".

I may have said the wrong terminology. I'll default to Wikipedia to help me out here so I can say the right terminology...

[quote=Wikipedia]There are two types of ILB's, the Mike(for strong side) and the will(for weak side). The Mike typically is the more athletic linebacker, who can blitz, drop into coverage, play the run, and "spy" the quarterback.[11] The Will is typically the stronger and larger of the two linebackers, and is used almost like a Fullback on the defense. He takes on and occupies blockers for the Mike, allowing the Mike to flow to the ball and make tackles[/quote]

So from this article from Wikipedia - I would think Borland is playing the Will position, and I would think Wilhoit plays the Mike position, because he can flow to the ball and make the tackle. One reason I say this is because Wilhoit probably calls the defenses - being the more experienced Linebacker and also I think is better in space and has the speed to cover. Borland doesn't have the speed that Wilhoit has, although he has instincts - and they are extraordinary! I would think Wilhoit is the better coverage linebacker and Borland is the better Will linebacker - because the defense can benefit from his aggressiveness and also his quick instincts to stuff runs, which I think is the primary responsibility of the Will 'backer.

But you probably are right since Borland is like averaging 11+ solo tackles ever since he started, that is one indication he's playing the Mike position.

The wikipedia terminology is correct from a base standpoint. It's a matter of nomenclature. Under Greg manusky's 3-4 the strong side ILB was called the "TED" and the weakside, the "Mike". Takeo Spikes played the "ted" and Willis the "Mike". In Fangio's scheme, they call the strong side the "Jack" and the weakside the "mike".

Just a matter of nomenclature. In Fangio's scheme, the "mike" is more of the "tackler", in the sense that, he's not supposed to be taking on guards as much, but requires more lateral range to make the tackles. The "jack" has to take on more guards because they're on the "strong" side of the formation where the offense has the numbers advantage to get a lineman up on the LB level. That's one reason your "jack" will have fewer tackles - generally. Because, if they're taking on a guard, their primary job is to stuff the guard in the hole with their inside shoulder and force the run back to the "Mike".

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
The most impressive thing about Lynch is his sack on Manning. He was held on two other plays and would have sacked him or disrupt him during those plays too. Lynch is tiny compared to Aldoon. Give Lynch 1 year of pro work outs and he will be ripped.

??? He was over 270 in the preseason, now has dropped down to 260. Both of them are around the same size, about 6'5", 260ish.

It's actually really tough to figure out who's who between Aldon and Lynch when they wear sleeves. They're both built very similarly. Long arms, athletic build.

On shotgun snaps, Boone looks back and then looks up, taps Martin, and then martin looks back and then snap.

Do you think its easier as a pass rusher to get a good jump knowing the snap is coming after the tap?

Would that explain some of the freakishly high number of sacks lately?

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
On shotgun snaps, Boone looks back and then looks up, taps Martin, and then martin looks back and then snap.

Do you think its easier as a pass rusher to get a good jump knowing the snap is coming after the tap?

Would that explain some of the freakishly high number of sacks lately?

thats only done when we play on the road

Originally posted by Geeked:
Roman still just hasn't gotten over that hump. Right now he has plateaued as a OC. I think he is to reliant on his first year. He does great things because he has Fangio, much like a Kevin Gilbride or early Jimmy Ray. But until he really learns to coach the position the offense is going to have issues.

this was the best madlibs i have read all year

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, someone wondered how we were doing on 1st down production for the year. Here you go (if you want to skip the details, see "Overall" at the end):

Dallas Game:
2nd and 8 at SF 42
2nd and 7 at DAL 43
2nd and 11 at DAL 33
2nd and 10 at SF 36
2nd and 9 at SF 48
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 47
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 12 at SF 34

Of the 16 2nd downs we had this game here is the breakdown:
9 of the 16 times we had >7 to go averaging 9.7 yards left to go

Bears Game:
2nd and 8 at CHI 8
2nd and 10 at SF 46
2nd and 10 at SF 46
2nd and 10 at CHI 14
2nd and 10 at CHI 30
2nd and 8 at CHI 8
2nd and 10 at SF 10
2nd and 10 at CHI 30
2nd and 7 at SF 26
2nd and 15 at SF 32
2nd and 16 at SF 14
2nd and 7 at SF 45
2nd and 8 at CHI 43
2nd and 12 at CHI 20

Of the 20 2nd downs we had this game here is the breakdown:
14 of the 20 times we had >7 to go averaging 10.1 yards left to go

Cardinals Game:
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 10 at SF 45
2nd and 9 at ARI 42
2nd and 13 at SF 29
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 7 at SF 8
2nd and 10 at SF 19

Of the 22 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
7 of the 22 times we had >7 to go averaging 9.6 yards left to go

Eagles Game:
2nd and 7 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 8 at SF 37
2nd and 14 at PHI 27
2nd and 8 at PHI 10
2nd and 18 at PHI 20
2nd and 17 at SF 45
2nd and 8 at SF 35
2nd and 8 at SF 22
2nd and 7 at PHI 37
2nd and 15 at PHI 28
2nd and 11 at PHI 12
2nd and 12 at PHI 29
2nd and 9 at SF 27
2nd and 7 at PHI 48
2nd and 9 at SF 42
2nd and 13 at PHI 34
2nd and 7 at SF 5

Of the 26 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
18 of the 26 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.4 yards to go

Rams Game:
2nd and 10 at KC 18
2nd and 9 at KC 39
2nd and 8 at KC 27
2nd and 10 at SF 21
2nd and 9 at SF 24
2nd and 17 at KC 27
2nd and 8 at SF 22
2nd and 10 at SF 32
2nd and 10 at SF 32
2nd and 8 at SF 47
2nd and 7 at KC 41
2nd and 7 at KC 28
2nd and 10 at KC 10
2nd and 11 at KC 42

Of the 22 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
14 of the 22 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 9.6 yards to go

Broncos Game:
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 8 at DEN 48
2nd and 10 at DEN 39
2nd and 11 at SF 19
2nd and 18 at SF 5
2nd and 7 at DEN 44
2nd and 8 at DEN 23
2nd and 19 at SF 27
2nd and 24 at SF 22
2nd and 11 at SF 29
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 14 at SF 36
2nd and 9 at DEN 35
2nd and 8 at DEN 22
2nd and 11 at DEN 11
2nd and 10 at DEN 45
2nd and 10 at DEN 34
2nd and 10 at DEN 20

Of the 26 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
20 of the 26 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 11.4 yards to go

Rams Game:
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 10 at STL 21
2nd and 17 at SF 29
2nd and 10 at SF 35
2nd and 7 at STL 32
2nd and 9 at STL 49
2nd and 10 at STL 34
2nd and 11 at SF 19
2nd and 7 at SF 33
2nd and 7 at STL 47
2nd and 19 at STL 43
2nd and 11 at SF 5
2nd and 10 at SF 37

Of the 20 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
13 of the 20 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 11.2 yards to go

Saints Game:
2nd and 10
2nd and 12
2nd and 8
2nd and 10
2nd and 17
2nd and 10
2nd and 12
2nd and 10
2nd and 8
2nd and 9
2nd and 19
2nd and 7
2nd and 10
2nd and 10
2nd and 10
2nd and 8
2nd and 10

Of the 25 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
17 of the 25 times we had >7 to go averaging 10.6 yards left to go

Giant's Game:
2nd and 18
2nd and 17
2nd and 11
2nd and 7
2nd and 8
2nd and 11
2nd and 10
2nd and 9
2nd and 10
2nd and 7
2nd and 8
2nd and 9

Of the 19 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
12 of the 19 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.4 yards to go


Overall:
So overall on 2nd downs, 63% of the time (124 of 196) we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.3 yards to go. In short, 2/3rds of the time we're going BACKWARDS on 1st downs and putting ouselves in 2nd and longs, which as you know, often times snowballs from there. Check out the individual games as well (total # of 2nd down opportunities, against good pass rush teams, familiar foes, etc.) and see if you can note any other trends. Either way, this is extremely alarming and goes well beyond CK, the OL pass protection, RB's, WR drops and the myriad of other "execution" excuses we use in here when looking at the micro-level. A very large portion of this comes down to offensive philosophy, play selection trending and coaching. If we can see these obvious trends as fans, imagine what the DC is game planning for!

Oh.



My.



God.



If anybody still has a question about what is wrong with our offense this year, it was just answered by the above post. When our offensive coordinator has the whole playbook available, we are going BACKWARDS. When the playbook is limited, our quarterback is bailing us out on third down.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
On shotgun snaps, Boone looks back and then looks up, taps Martin, and then martin looks back and then snap.

Do you think its easier as a pass rusher to get a good jump knowing the snap is coming after the tap?

Would that explain some of the freakishly high number of sacks lately?

thats only done when we play on the road

There was actually an offsides call against the defense because they didn't snap it on the first "tap". You can call it a fake "tap" because Kaepernick changed the play after the first tap and the dlineman went off sides thinking that it was the actual snap. (I'm guessing the snap was actually on the second tap).

We are going BACKWARDS on first down people!!!

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, someone wondered how we were doing on 1st down production for the year. Here you go (if you want to skip the details, see "Overall" at the end):

Dallas Game:
2nd and 8 at SF 42
2nd and 7 at DAL 43
2nd and 11 at DAL 33
2nd and 10 at SF 36
2nd and 9 at SF 48
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 47
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 12 at SF 34

Of the 16 2nd downs we had this game here is the breakdown:
9 of the 16 times we had >7 to go averaging 9.7 yards left to go

Bears Game:
2nd and 8 at CHI 8
2nd and 10 at SF 46
2nd and 10 at SF 46
2nd and 10 at CHI 14
2nd and 10 at CHI 30
2nd and 8 at CHI 8
2nd and 10 at SF 10
2nd and 10 at CHI 30
2nd and 7 at SF 26
2nd and 15 at SF 32
2nd and 16 at SF 14
2nd and 7 at SF 45
2nd and 8 at CHI 43
2nd and 12 at CHI 20

Of the 20 2nd downs we had this game here is the breakdown:
14 of the 20 times we had >7 to go averaging 10.1 yards left to go

Cardinals Game:
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 10 at SF 45
2nd and 9 at ARI 42
2nd and 13 at SF 29
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 7 at SF 8
2nd and 10 at SF 19

Of the 22 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
7 of the 22 times we had >7 to go averaging 9.6 yards left to go

Eagles Game:
2nd and 7 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 8 at SF 37
2nd and 14 at PHI 27
2nd and 8 at PHI 10
2nd and 18 at PHI 20
2nd and 17 at SF 45
2nd and 8 at SF 35
2nd and 8 at SF 22
2nd and 7 at PHI 37
2nd and 15 at PHI 28
2nd and 11 at PHI 12
2nd and 12 at PHI 29
2nd and 9 at SF 27
2nd and 7 at PHI 48
2nd and 9 at SF 42
2nd and 13 at PHI 34
2nd and 7 at SF 5

Of the 26 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
18 of the 26 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.4 yards to go

Rams Game:
2nd and 10 at KC 18
2nd and 9 at KC 39
2nd and 8 at KC 27
2nd and 10 at SF 21
2nd and 9 at SF 24
2nd and 17 at KC 27
2nd and 8 at SF 22
2nd and 10 at SF 32
2nd and 10 at SF 32
2nd and 8 at SF 47
2nd and 7 at KC 41
2nd and 7 at KC 28
2nd and 10 at KC 10
2nd and 11 at KC 42

Of the 22 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
14 of the 22 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 9.6 yards to go

Broncos Game:
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 8 at DEN 48
2nd and 10 at DEN 39
2nd and 11 at SF 19
2nd and 18 at SF 5
2nd and 7 at DEN 44
2nd and 8 at DEN 23
2nd and 19 at SF 27
2nd and 24 at SF 22
2nd and 11 at SF 29
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 14 at SF 36
2nd and 9 at DEN 35
2nd and 8 at DEN 22
2nd and 11 at DEN 11
2nd and 10 at DEN 45
2nd and 10 at DEN 34
2nd and 10 at DEN 20

Of the 26 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
20 of the 26 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 11.4 yards to go

Rams Game:
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 10 at STL 21
2nd and 17 at SF 29
2nd and 10 at SF 35
2nd and 7 at STL 32
2nd and 9 at STL 49
2nd and 10 at STL 34
2nd and 11 at SF 19
2nd and 7 at SF 33
2nd and 7 at STL 47
2nd and 19 at STL 43
2nd and 11 at SF 5
2nd and 10 at SF 37

Of the 20 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
13 of the 20 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 11.2 yards to go

Saints Game:
2nd and 10
2nd and 12
2nd and 8
2nd and 10
2nd and 17
2nd and 10
2nd and 12
2nd and 10
2nd and 8
2nd and 9
2nd and 19
2nd and 7
2nd and 10
2nd and 10
2nd and 10
2nd and 8
2nd and 10

Of the 25 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
17 of the 25 times we had >7 to go averaging 10.6 yards left to go

Giant's Game:
2nd and 18
2nd and 17
2nd and 11
2nd and 7
2nd and 8
2nd and 11
2nd and 10
2nd and 9
2nd and 10
2nd and 7
2nd and 8
2nd and 9

Of the 19 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
12 of the 19 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.4 yards to go


Overall:
So overall on 2nd downs, 63% of the time (124 of 196) we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.3 yards to go. In short, 2/3rds of the time we're going BACKWARDS on 1st downs and putting ouselves in 2nd and longs, which as you know, often times snowballs from there. Check out the individual games as well (total # of 2nd down opportunities, against good pass rush teams, familiar foes, etc.) and see if you can note any other trends. Either way, this is extremely alarming and goes well beyond CK, the OL pass protection, RB's, WR drops and the myriad of other "execution" excuses we use in here when looking at the micro-level. A very large portion of this comes down to offensive philosophy, play selection trending and coaching. If we can see these obvious trends as fans, imagine what the DC is game planning for!

That's a horrible way to start a set of downs. The only good game was ARI and they still lost that one. Good stats.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LBSI9ers:

The most impressive thing about Lynch is his sack on Manning. He was held on two other plays and would have sacked him or disrupt him during those plays too. Lynch is tiny compared to Aldoon. Give Lynch 1 year of pro work outs and he will be ripped.

??? He was over 270 in the preseason, now has dropped down to 260. Both of them are around the same size, about 6'5", 260ish.

BS he's 260. Look how narrow his lags are. Aldon has thick tree trunk legs.

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, someone wondered how we were doing on 1st down production for the year. Here you go (if you want to skip the details, see "Overall" at the end):

Dallas Game:
2nd and 8 at SF 42
2nd and 7 at DAL 43
2nd and 11 at DAL 33
2nd and 10 at SF 36
2nd and 9 at SF 48
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 47
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 12 at SF 34

Of the 16 2nd downs we had this game here is the breakdown:
9 of the 16 times we had >7 to go averaging 9.7 yards left to go

Bears Game:
2nd and 8 at CHI 8
2nd and 10 at SF 46
2nd and 10 at SF 46
2nd and 10 at CHI 14
2nd and 10 at CHI 30
2nd and 8 at CHI 8
2nd and 10 at SF 10
2nd and 10 at CHI 30
2nd and 7 at SF 26
2nd and 15 at SF 32
2nd and 16 at SF 14
2nd and 7 at SF 45
2nd and 8 at CHI 43
2nd and 12 at CHI 20

Of the 20 2nd downs we had this game here is the breakdown:
14 of the 20 times we had >7 to go averaging 10.1 yards left to go

Cardinals Game:
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 10 at SF 45
2nd and 9 at ARI 42
2nd and 13 at SF 29
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 7 at SF 8
2nd and 10 at SF 19

Of the 22 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
7 of the 22 times we had >7 to go averaging 9.6 yards left to go

Eagles Game:
2nd and 7 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 8 at SF 37
2nd and 14 at PHI 27
2nd and 8 at PHI 10
2nd and 18 at PHI 20
2nd and 17 at SF 45
2nd and 8 at SF 35
2nd and 8 at SF 22
2nd and 7 at PHI 37
2nd and 15 at PHI 28
2nd and 11 at PHI 12
2nd and 12 at PHI 29
2nd and 9 at SF 27
2nd and 7 at PHI 48
2nd and 9 at SF 42
2nd and 13 at PHI 34
2nd and 7 at SF 5

Of the 26 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
18 of the 26 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.4 yards to go

Rams Game:
2nd and 10 at KC 18
2nd and 9 at KC 39
2nd and 8 at KC 27
2nd and 10 at SF 21
2nd and 9 at SF 24
2nd and 17 at KC 27
2nd and 8 at SF 22
2nd and 10 at SF 32
2nd and 10 at SF 32
2nd and 8 at SF 47
2nd and 7 at KC 41
2nd and 7 at KC 28
2nd and 10 at KC 10
2nd and 11 at KC 42

Of the 22 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
14 of the 22 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 9.6 yards to go

Broncos Game:
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 8 at DEN 48
2nd and 10 at DEN 39
2nd and 11 at SF 19
2nd and 18 at SF 5
2nd and 7 at DEN 44
2nd and 8 at DEN 23
2nd and 19 at SF 27
2nd and 24 at SF 22
2nd and 11 at SF 29
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 14 at SF 36
2nd and 9 at DEN 35
2nd and 8 at DEN 22
2nd and 11 at DEN 11
2nd and 10 at DEN 45
2nd and 10 at DEN 34
2nd and 10 at DEN 20

Of the 26 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
20 of the 26 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 11.4 yards to go

Rams Game:
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 10 at STL 21
2nd and 17 at SF 29
2nd and 10 at SF 35
2nd and 7 at STL 32
2nd and 9 at STL 49
2nd and 10 at STL 34
2nd and 11 at SF 19
2nd and 7 at SF 33
2nd and 7 at STL 47
2nd and 19 at STL 43
2nd and 11 at SF 5
2nd and 10 at SF 37

Of the 20 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
13 of the 20 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 11.2 yards to go

Saints Game:
2nd and 10
2nd and 12
2nd and 8
2nd and 10
2nd and 17
2nd and 10
2nd and 12
2nd and 10
2nd and 8
2nd and 9
2nd and 19
2nd and 7
2nd and 10
2nd and 10
2nd and 10
2nd and 8
2nd and 10

Of the 25 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
17 of the 25 times we had >7 to go averaging 10.6 yards left to go

Giant's Game:
2nd and 18
2nd and 17
2nd and 11
2nd and 7
2nd and 8
2nd and 11
2nd and 10
2nd and 9
2nd and 10
2nd and 7
2nd and 8
2nd and 9

Of the 19 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
12 of the 19 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.4 yards to go


Overall:
So overall on 2nd downs, 63% of the time (124 of 196) we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.3 yards to go. In short, 2/3rds of the time we're going BACKWARDS on 1st downs and putting ouselves in 2nd and longs, which as you know, often times snowballs from there. Check out the individual games as well (total # of 2nd down opportunities, against good pass rush teams, familiar foes, etc.) and see if you can note any other trends. Either way, this is extremely alarming and goes well beyond CK, the OL pass protection, RB's, WR drops and the myriad of other "execution" excuses we use in here when looking at the micro-level. A very large portion of this comes down to offensive philosophy, play selection trending and coaching. If we can see these obvious trends as fans, imagine what the DC is game planning for!

Oh.



My.



God.



If anybody still has a question about what is wrong with our offense this year, it was just answered by the above post. When our offensive coordinator has the whole playbook available, we are going BACKWARDS. When the playbook is limited, our quarterback is bailing us out on third down.

Is this serious? Are we seriously LOSING yards on first down? That is atrocious. Surprisingly, I feel our 3rd down offense has been much better this year too. Means Kap has had to do a lot more on 3rd and long, bailing us out. Props to Kap man.

3rd Down Failures #7

1st Down: Pass to Miller +5
2nd Down: Hyde run +1


NYG shows cover0 as they crowd the LoS with 6 defenders (4DL, 2 LBs). With and empty backfield, if NYG comes with the 6 man pressure, then one rusher will be unblocked.

49ers: It appears as though the 49ers shorten their routes thinking the blitz is coming.
NYG: cover3


After the snap, the two LBs crowding the A gaps back out and it's a standard 4 man rush. Kap takes the snap and looks to Boldin's slant. It's double covered.


Boone loses to the inside and Kap has to evade.


Kap scrambles right and targets Crabs.


Dropped pass by Crabs. VD might have been open, but I don't like how Hyde's route takes a defender to VD. Didn't matter since protection didn't hold up for VD to be available.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, someone wondered how we were doing on 1st down production for the year. Here you go (if you want to skip the details, see "Overall" at the end):

Dallas Game:
2nd and 8 at SF 42
2nd and 7 at DAL 43
2nd and 11 at DAL 33
2nd and 10 at SF 36
2nd and 9 at SF 48
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 47
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 12 at SF 34

Of the 16 2nd downs we had this game here is the breakdown:
9 of the 16 times we had >7 to go averaging 9.7 yards left to go

Bears Game:
2nd and 8 at CHI 8
2nd and 10 at SF 46
2nd and 10 at SF 46
2nd and 10 at CHI 14
2nd and 10 at CHI 30
2nd and 8 at CHI 8
2nd and 10 at SF 10
2nd and 10 at CHI 30
2nd and 7 at SF 26
2nd and 15 at SF 32
2nd and 16 at SF 14
2nd and 7 at SF 45
2nd and 8 at CHI 43
2nd and 12 at CHI 20

Of the 20 2nd downs we had this game here is the breakdown:
14 of the 20 times we had >7 to go averaging 10.1 yards left to go

Cardinals Game:
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 10 at SF 45
2nd and 9 at ARI 42
2nd and 13 at SF 29
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 7 at SF 8
2nd and 10 at SF 19

Of the 22 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
7 of the 22 times we had >7 to go averaging 9.6 yards left to go

Eagles Game:
2nd and 7 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 8 at SF 37
2nd and 14 at PHI 27
2nd and 8 at PHI 10
2nd and 18 at PHI 20
2nd and 17 at SF 45
2nd and 8 at SF 35
2nd and 8 at SF 22
2nd and 7 at PHI 37
2nd and 15 at PHI 28
2nd and 11 at PHI 12
2nd and 12 at PHI 29
2nd and 9 at SF 27
2nd and 7 at PHI 48
2nd and 9 at SF 42
2nd and 13 at PHI 34
2nd and 7 at SF 5

Of the 26 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
18 of the 26 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.4 yards to go

Rams Game:
2nd and 10 at KC 18
2nd and 9 at KC 39
2nd and 8 at KC 27
2nd and 10 at SF 21
2nd and 9 at SF 24
2nd and 17 at KC 27
2nd and 8 at SF 22
2nd and 10 at SF 32
2nd and 10 at SF 32
2nd and 8 at SF 47
2nd and 7 at KC 41
2nd and 7 at KC 28
2nd and 10 at KC 10
2nd and 11 at KC 42

Of the 22 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
14 of the 22 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 9.6 yards to go

Broncos Game:
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 8 at DEN 48
2nd and 10 at DEN 39
2nd and 11 at SF 19
2nd and 18 at SF 5
2nd and 7 at DEN 44
2nd and 8 at DEN 23
2nd and 19 at SF 27
2nd and 24 at SF 22
2nd and 11 at SF 29
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 10 at SF 20
2nd and 14 at SF 36
2nd and 9 at DEN 35
2nd and 8 at DEN 22
2nd and 11 at DEN 11
2nd and 10 at DEN 45
2nd and 10 at DEN 34
2nd and 10 at DEN 20

Of the 26 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
20 of the 26 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 11.4 yards to go

Rams Game:
2nd and 9 at SF 21
2nd and 10 at STL 21
2nd and 17 at SF 29
2nd and 10 at SF 35
2nd and 7 at STL 32
2nd and 9 at STL 49
2nd and 10 at STL 34
2nd and 11 at SF 19
2nd and 7 at SF 33
2nd and 7 at STL 47
2nd and 19 at STL 43
2nd and 11 at SF 5
2nd and 10 at SF 37

Of the 20 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
13 of the 20 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 11.2 yards to go

Saints Game:
2nd and 10
2nd and 12
2nd and 8
2nd and 10
2nd and 17
2nd and 10
2nd and 12
2nd and 10
2nd and 8
2nd and 9
2nd and 19
2nd and 7
2nd and 10
2nd and 10
2nd and 10
2nd and 8
2nd and 10

Of the 25 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
17 of the 25 times we had >7 to go averaging 10.6 yards left to go

Giant's Game:
2nd and 18
2nd and 17
2nd and 11
2nd and 7
2nd and 8
2nd and 11
2nd and 10
2nd and 9
2nd and 10
2nd and 7
2nd and 8
2nd and 9

Of the 19 2nd downs we had this game, here is the breakdown:
12 of the 19 times we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.4 yards to go


Overall:
So overall on 2nd downs, 63% of the time (124 of 196) we had >7 yards to go averaging 10.3 yards to go. In short, 2/3rds of the time we're going BACKWARDS on 1st downs and putting ouselves in 2nd and longs, which as you know, often times snowballs from there. Check out the individual games as well (total # of 2nd down opportunities, against good pass rush teams, familiar foes, etc.) and see if you can note any other trends. Either way, this is extremely alarming and goes well beyond CK, the OL pass protection, RB's, WR drops and the myriad of other "execution" excuses we use in here when looking at the micro-level. A very large portion of this comes down to offensive philosophy, play selection trending and coaching. If we can see these obvious trends as fans, imagine what the DC is game planning for!

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My.



God.



If anybody still has a question about what is wrong with our offense this year, it was just answered by the above post. When our offensive coordinator has the whole playbook available, we are going BACKWARDS. When the playbook is limited, our quarterback is bailing us out on third down.

Is this serious? Are we seriously LOSING yards on first down? That is atrocious. Surprisingly, I feel our 3rd down offense has been much better this year too. Means Kap has had to do a lot more on 3rd and long, bailing us out. Props to Kap man.

The 2nd Downs listed are when it is 2nd and more than 7 yards. All the "2nd and 6 (or less)" are not listed. All the 1st downs where more than 10 yards was gained are not listed.

3rd Down Failure #8

1st Down: Hyde run +1
2nd Down: Gore run +2

4Q 3rd & 7
49ers pull ADavis as he and Gore lead a QB sweep.


VD gets the crack back block, but the DE still is able to prevent ADavis from pulling cleanly to the edge. MMartin targets his block, the orange defender.


ADavis and Gore get to the edge to lead.


Martin misses the block on orange.




Gain of +5.