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Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Wilhoite has stuck out the last 2 weeks. Glad to see him playing so well.
coach told him to stop being scared just go out there and play and he has.
really glad to see it
hopefully the light is on for the defense and they get back to what they should have been doing every week.
and this is without aldon/bowman/dorsey/brock
Originally posted by fister30:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Wilhoite has stuck out the last 2 weeks. Glad to see him playing so well.
coach told him to stop being scared just go out there and play and he has.
really glad to see it
hopefully the light is on for the defense and they get back to what they should have been doing every week.
and this is without aldon/bowman/dorsey/brock
Last year Wilhoite played very well while willis was hurt. The guy is solid once he gets comfortable.
Originally posted by thl408:I mentioned this in the Kap thread, but I didn't like how the double slants were run here. The inside slant must be ran at a deeper depth than the outside slant. This allows the inside slant to clear out the slot CB. In this pick6, the inside slant (Boldin) ran his route shallow compared to the outside slant (Lloyd). This allows the slot CB to be in a better position to make this pick. Perhaps because it was a blitz, Boldin cut his route short.
Below is double slants in the ARI game (top of screen). Notice the inside slant (slot WR) is run at a greater depth, and it clears the area for the outside slant to work its route. Completed to the outside slant.
Also, did Kap telegraph this throw?
Originally posted by jonnydel:Here's an example of just poor play design. I get what we're trying to do, I still don't like what it does though. It ends up putting our FB in pass protection against Philly's best pass rusher - Trent Cole. Not a great situation in my opinion.
Here we're going to try and run a play action to open up a passing lane. I get that we want to run play action after the run game had been successful, but I don't like how it's designed. We're going to give a run fake, so to make it more believable, we're going to have Staley block down on the DT and leave the end man on the LOS unblocked by the lineman. Miller will take him on in pass pro after the run fake.
You see how the line blocks down from the run fake and it leaves Miller 1-1 in space.
Miller gets beat and commits a hold. This is pretty big in the game because it causes a 1st and 20. We get a 12 yard gain on the next play and then a 1 yard gain and fail on 3rd and long. Philly then returns the punt for a TD. Negative plays kill drives. It's not great that Miller commits the hold, but he needs to be put in a better position.
Originally posted by jonnydel:[...]
I still find CK hard to evaluate though. There are times when you see reads he goes through or throws he makes and go, "WOW!" that was freaking amazing. Then, there are other reads he misses and throws he misses and you say, "wow....." - not in a good way. The thing that's hard to evaluate is that he'll miss throws when he's got a clean pocket, good footwork, good throwing mechanics with an open receiver; but then, make a pinpoint throw on the run into tight coverage.
When you watch CK play it's hard for me to say, as some have postulated, that he's not being taught good fundamentals as I often see his footwork and throwing mechanics are good. Sometimes he's just flat inaccurate.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's a missed opportunity in the game - it doesn't end up hurting us because we score on the next play, but still, it could've really cost us and I'm not sure why we don't get it.
Here we're going to run an in/out pattern. It's a combo, zone/man beater. If it's cover 3 zone, you look for the corner route to the TE, if it's man, you look for the inside slant. Note, Philly has no safety - revealing man coverage.
This play should be a win all day. Boone did get a little confused again with the front look and makes almost the same fail he did on the earlier sack I showed.
The play is there to be had, the TE clears out the space and clogs up the lane so Crabtree's man can't stay with him.
If CK hits Crabs in stride it should be a walk in TD. The nearest defender has his back turned and there's no way the other guys are gonna get him. Should be a simple pitch and catch but CK throws it several feet off.
Not sure why he misfires. He was under a little pressure, but his footwork was good, he had his shoulders square, good flex in the front knee, good drive off the back leg. His mechanics are there, but still misses the throw. This should be routine - gotta make these plays, you don't get a lot of these opportunities.
Originally posted by jonnydel:Here's a missed opportunity in the game - it doesn't end up hurting us because we score on the next play, but still, it could've really cost us and I'm not sure why we don't get it.
Here we're going to run an in/out pattern. It's a combo, zone/man beater. If it's cover 3 zone, you look for the corner route to the TE, if it's man, you look for the inside slant. Note, Philly has no safety - revealing man coverage.
This play should be a win all day. Boone did get a little confused again with the front look and makes almost the same fail he did on the earlier sack I showed.
The play is there to be had, the TE clears out the space and clogs up the lane so Crabtree's man can't stay with him.
If CK hits Crabs in stride it should be a walk in TD. The nearest defender has his back turned and there's no way the other guys are gonna get him. Should be a simple pitch and catch but CK throws it several feet off.
Not sure why he misfires. He was under a little pressure, but his footwork was good, he had his shoulders square, good flex in the front knee, good drive off the back leg. His mechanics are there, but still misses the throw. This should be routine - gotta make these plays, you don't get a lot of these opportunities.
Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by jonnydel:Just finished watching the game through a few times and there's a lot of things to take away.
First, and most importantly, we were better in the most important statistic - winning. We won, which is always better to look at after the game because, despite missed opportunities and fails in different areas, we still won and have room to improve.
There are a number of areas where we excelled in this game and we can never forget that. Was it the prettiest win ever? No, but not all of them are going to look like the best offense and defense against the worse defense and offense. Good teams find ways to win in games like that - and we did. To the credit of the Eagles defense - they threw everything they had at us. They mixed up their coverages and defense more than any other team I've seen in a long time - and it seemed to knock the whole offense out of rhythm at times.
I still find CK hard to evaluate though. There are times when you see reads he goes through or throws he makes and go, "WOW!" that was freaking amazing. Then, there are other reads he misses and throws he misses and you say, "wow....." - not in a good way. The thing that's hard to evaluate is that he'll miss throws when he's got a clean pocket, good footwork, good throwing mechanics with an open receiver; but then, make a pinpoint throw on the run into tight coverage.
When you watch CK play it's hard for me to say, as some have postulated, that he's not being taught good fundamentals as I often see his footwork and throwing mechanics are good. Sometimes he's just flat inaccurate.
He's also shown a complete lack of situational awareness at times notice how I say, "at times" and not "all the time". It's getting really old to see him run out of bounds for a 3 yard loss.... THROW THE BALL AWAY DUDE!!! Negative plays kill drives and what good is it to avoid a 3 yard sack in the backfield to run out of the pocket and go out of bounds for a 3 yard loss???? The delay of game penalties are also drive killers. We were driving with a chance to make it a 2 score game with a very make-able 3rd and 3 when CK commits a delay of game penalty which makes it 3rd and 8, then we get 5 yards on a the next play and have to kick a FG instead..... Those kind of penalties can cost you games - no matter how good you are, no matter how good your coaching is, if you make silly mistakes like that you can lose games - plain and simple.
As we won this week, I'll start out with the bad and then focus on the good for this week, starting with the Offense:
The bad: O-line play. They gave up way too much pressure in pass protection. There were times where the Eagles only brought 3 guys and were getting pressure. There were times when the Eagles feigned blitzes and only brought 4 and got immediate pressure. Each guy on the line got beat in pass pro at some point - the worst offenders were Boone and Staley with Iupati a close 3rd. However, Staley was, for the most part, excellent in the run game as well and Iupati. Boone continues to dissapoint. Hopefully Anthony Davis won't be out too long because he looked very solid in the game and Martin is definitely not the player Davis is.
There were some really bad play calls at different times. The Power off tackle run on 3rd and 1 with our Jumbo package was a terrible call. Also, there were some passing game calls that were completely ineffective. There was also, on one play, where we ended up having Bruce Miller matched up on Trent Cole - they're best pass rusher, in pass pro - that's not a good idea.
However, there were also some near genius calls by formation, timing and design. Kind of frustrating - a lot like watching CK as a QB. There were times when you sit back and marvel at some of the play design and how Roman knew to call that exact play to exactly counteract what the opponent was doing and then other times when he didn't. Bear in mind, that every O-coordinator is not going to win every play call, Bill Walsh didn't, and neither will Roman. But, some of them just didn't make sense, whereas some of them were pure genius.
Some of the calls that might seem terrible I actually didn't have a hard time with. The run on 3rd and 14 from the 31 yard line late in the game - Staley had just gone down with an injury, Davis had already gone down, Vernon Davis was out. So, you had 2 backup tackles against a defense that loves to come after the QB. You're in FG range, very unlikely to get a 1st down, and the Eagles were getting pressure most of the game as it was, do you really want to risk a sack to move you out of FG range in that situation??
The Good about the Offense:
Frank Gore is still Frank Gore. He's lost a little on his top speed, but that's never been the staple of his game. He still has the ability to accelerate up to top speed very quickly. He doesn't look like a 31 year old back, he still looks like a young guy carrying the ball. There were some beautifully designed and timed runs(some were obviously called out of the huddle and others looked like it was a check to a run). We also stuck with the run game - which was great to see. You're not going to win on every run play, but you will wear the other team down and keep your defense off the field - which we saw the affect of.
Anthony Davis looked really good when he was in. He was solid in pass pro and dominant in the run game - really unfortunate that he's going to be out.
The WR have made some outstanding catches in recent weeks and have also made some big plays with the ball in their hands. We just have to eliminate some phantom "Offensive pass interference" calls and we'll do much better against man-coverage(we struggled against man coverage this week).
The bad - Defense:
Not much to say...... they pretty much played an unbelievable game...... Couldn't really find any faults.....Way to go guys!!!!
The good - Defense:
Antoine Bethea deserves Defensive player of the week honors. His performance was flat out dynamic. Yes, he caused the 2 turnovers, but it was so much more than that as well. He played on of the best games I've seen from a defensive player in quite a while. All I can say is, "WOW!" Super exciting to see. He saved the game for us on more than one occasion. He had the 2 turnovers, but also had a TD saving tackle on McCoy at the 2 yard line that gave us the set up for the goal line stand, then got pressure on Foles the very next play. He also made some great open field tackles. Overall, a fantastic, superb, I don't have enough adjectives to describe it, performance.
Vic Fangio called one of the best games I've ever seen him call. Troy Aikman and Jimmy Johnson both said it after the game, that they think Fangio might be the best D-Coord in the league and I'm starting to agree with them. This was supposed to be one of the most dangerous offenses in the league and he completely nullified their game. He called all sorts of different things to disrupt the passing game and the O-line's blocking schemes.
Also, as a note to all those who wish for us to play with more press coverage - this game is a great illustration as to why we don't do it very often. Because, without a press and both corners always playing with a cushion with both safeties back at the snap, the QB and receivers never know where the safety help is going to be. They couldn't audible at the line, they couldn't run a lot of their sight adjust routes and overall, were disrupted in the passing game AND running game by our looks.
Jim Tomsula - the D-line played lights out and we have to have one of the best coached, if not the best coached, D-lines in the league. Our guys all played great games on the line - including great plays made by backups Dobbs and Dial. Dial in particular looked really good in this game - more so from the mental side, which is exciting. Thl will touch on the screens, but you will see that our D-line had a lot to do with the ineffectiveness of Philadelphia's screen game.
Michael Wilhoite - He's really starting to look good. He's really starting to settle in to his spot and you can see that playing next to a guy like Willis really has upped his level of play. He's looking better each week and is really flying around. I'd give his 1st week performance a C- but this one a B+ to A-
As usual, breakdowns to follow.
Totally agree with the bolded. I mentioned that in my "Thoughts" post.
Bethea was all over the field. Pick, forced fumble, stop of McCoy when otherwise Shady scores the go-ahead TD, a few stops for no gain, staying backside to prevent cutback.
He's not the intimidator that Whiner is...but he was simply sound in every aspect.
Originally posted by jonnydel:Here's a missed opportunity in the game - it doesn't end up hurting us because we score on the next play, but still, it could've really cost us and I'm not sure why we don't get it.
Here we're going to run an in/out pattern. It's a combo, zone/man beater. If it's cover 3 zone, you look for the corner route to the TE, if it's man, you look for the inside slant. Note, Philly has no safety - revealing man coverage.
This play should be a win all day. Boone did get a little confused again with the front look and makes almost the same fail he did on the earlier sack I showed.
The play is there to be had, the TE clears out the space and clogs up the lane so Crabtree's man can't stay with him.
If CK hits Crabs in stride it should be a walk in TD. The nearest defender has his back turned and there's no way the other guys are gonna get him. Should be a simple pitch and catch but CK throws it several feet off.
Not sure why he misfires. He was under a little pressure, but his footwork was good, he had his shoulders square, good flex in the front knee, good drive off the back leg. His mechanics are there, but still misses the throw. This should be routine - gotta make these plays, you don't get a lot of these opportunities.
