Lloyd vs Patton

Lloyd isn't going anywhere. To have Crabs, Boldin, Johnson, and Lloyd on the field at the same time, no team would be able to cover those 4 one-on-one.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Lloyd can't block...Lloyd can't play on ST...Lloyd can't even shake minimal press contact and when he does, he gets an OPI call.

And Patton can get off of press coverage? I seem to remember replays of him being tossed around like a ragdoll in Seattle. And that's hardly an exaggeration!

Not a fan of either unless you run them from the slot but I want Ellington and Boldin for that and Johnson and Crabtree out wide...or any other combination. neither Lloyd nor Patton are poor players...just not great fits for what we do here (we're not a spread offense) BUT, let's be real, they are insurance and hopefully, Patton can continue to build some muscle and compete next year.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not a fan of either unless you run them from the slot but I want Ellington and Boldin for that and Johnson and Crabtree out wide...or any other combination. neither Lloyd nor Patton are poor players...just not great fits for what we do here (we're not a spread offense) BUT, let's be real, they are insurance and hopefully, Patton can continue to build some muscle and compete next year.

Don't agree. Genuinely think that Stevie Johnson and Lloyd are going to split playing time since they both bring different and complementary skillsets to the table.

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
The fact is we are just not a throwing team, heck Stevie Johnson and Loyd barely play. Vance was practically invisible. I just want to see more of a philosophy on offense. That was a weird game. We seem to have no rythm whatsoever on offense. Its been 4 preseason games an now one regular season. I am dying for Boone and Davis to solidify our line so Kap has some time back there

I agree...for who WE are, expecting anything more than, at best, Lloyd and Johnson sharing snaps as the #3 receiver is a little unrealistic. This is not a great pass protection OL and we're not going to run 4 receivers out there too often where all 4 are actual WR's. McDonald...Carrier...Miller...Hyde/Gore will all be competing for the team lead for the #3 receiver most likely and I woud imagine there is going to be a big drop off from #2 to #3 and even farther between #3 and #4.

Lloyd runs better routes, Patton is sloppy IMO

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not a fan of either unless you run them from the slot but I want Ellington and Boldin for that and Johnson and Crabtree out wide...or any other combination. neither Lloyd nor Patton are poor players...just not great fits for what we do here (we're not a spread offense) BUT, let's be real, they are insurance and hopefully, Patton can continue to build some muscle and compete next year.

Don't agree. Genuinely think that Stevie Johnson and Lloyd are going to split playing time since they both bring different and complementary skillsets to the table.

After the first game, I agree in that they'll share snaps unless one of those two really emerges as "the guy." That said, I didn't like how we used Lloyd...3 low % OOB sideline passes where only he can catch it? It's like Roman saw one of his highlight catches and redesigned that route making him the primary target x3...all fails. I'd recommend moving him around to create mismatches, splitting time with Johnson and give him real opportunities and better routes. Let CK pick the open guy. Make Lloyd a primary target at times. Get everyone involved.

Bottom line is, the future WRs on this team will be Crabb, Stevie, Patton and Ellington.. so why not allow Patton to grow now?

.. and if Lloyd is our deep threat, then we're in BIG trouble!!! The whole NFC west DBs can cover his speed w/their eyes closed..

.. and the more I watch Mickey D play, the more I just envision him as a pure blocking TE.. The kid to watch for really is Derek Carrier.

RAP BATTLE!

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
RAP BATTLE!

This.

Originally posted by Baldie:
Lloyd isn't going anywhere. To have Crabs, Boldin, Johnson, and Lloyd on the field at the same time, no team would be able to cover those 4 one-on-one.

4 possession receivers on the field at the same time.....meh. I'd rather see Ellington out there to add a bit of a different dimension to the defense. If you watched the Cardinals game, San Diego had defenders deep pretty much all game due to the threat of guys like John Brown which allowed them to setup a ton of easy screen passes and checkdowns for nice yardage.

Originally posted by CityKing415:
Lloyd runs better routes, Patton is sloppy IMO

lol.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Lloyd can't block...Lloyd can't play on ST...Lloyd can't even shake minimal press contact and when he does, he gets an OPI call.

And Patton can get off of press coverage? I seem to remember replays of him being tossed around like a ragdoll in Seattle. And that's hardly an exaggeration!

remember seeing that too. Patton needs another year or two to get stronger.

Originally posted by boast:
remember seeing that too. Patton needs another year or two to get stronger.

People are overreacting to a single play where the defender got flagged because he basically grabbed him and chucked him to the ground when Patton wasn't even running a route. At 6'0", 205, he's not really a small receiver by any stretch.

Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
RAP BATTLE!

This.

LOL. That would be epic. They need to cross over to sports. Genius!

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
RAP BATTLE!