SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. DENVER BRONCOS GAMEDAY THREAD (PS, Game 2)

Originally posted by Phil:
Quote me saying we should have taken a QB in the second round.

I was referring to my argument with Rascal. Sorry, should have made that clear.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I liked Seastrunk, but he's not even a lock to make the Redskins. Hyde is the superior back, and it's not even close. We got the best back in the draft who's a perfect fit for our running style.

Between Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, Lloyd, Patton, Ellington...we seem to be sitting pretty at WR. It's not like Baalke has done nothing to address the position. Teams would KILL for that depth, and here we are arguing over a theoretical scenario where we should have took an unproven player in the 2nd. WHO CARES, complete waste of time to argue about it. We're good.

First of all, I will bet you any money Seastrunk will make Redskin's roster.

As for WRs, you can't just rely on signing a bunch of old guys. You have to develop young blood, if not eventually it will come back to haunt you. For example, if we had picked Alshon Jeffrey instead of AJ Jenkins, we would have been sitting happy for years to come now. Anquan is getting old and in any case he is not a deep threat. Lloyd hasn't played for one full year and is also getting old. As for Crab, we don't even know whether we can keep him after this season. As for Johnson, it remains to be seen what he can do. That leaves Patton and Ellington. While Ellington has shown some promising signs, I wouldn't exactly call Patton a WR stud.

Originally posted by Phil:
A viable back up QB gives the team a chance to win a game or 2 if the starter goes down on a non season ending injury. Our current backup QB situation, well, if Kap goes down for 2 or 3 games our season is over. This wouldn't be the case with a viable backup. Counting on Gabbert for that role wasn't a smart move. We need to admit this.

Yes, but viable backup QBs are few and far between. The teams that have them spend years cycling through trash before they find one. We're doing the same.

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Ninerz4Life:
What's going to happen if Kap doesn't miss a game this year??? What the fudge are we going to do with Gabbert??? He's horrible. What if he drops the clip board and Frank trips and falls on it running out to the field breaking his ankle??? We can't have that!!!

Why don't we concentrate on a back up position that will have to see the field at least early on. Like MLB or back up NT. Even if we got Ponder, Jeff Garcia, Terrelle Pryor or any other asinine suggestion if one of them has to play we are in trouble and have zero shot at a ring. A lot of worry over someone who will only see the field in mop up duty.

EXACTLY!! someone who gets it lol

A viable back up QB gives the team a chance to win a game or 2 if the starter goes down on a non season ending injury. Our current backup QB situation, well, if Kap goes down for 2 or 3 games our season is over. This wouldn't be the case with a viable backup. Counting on Gabbert for that role wasn't a smart move. We need to admit this.

Exactly ! When RG3 went down, Kirk Cousins stepped in big time. And quite frankly if the Redskins had pulled RG3 earlier in the game against the Seahawks, who knows they might have even won that game and moved on in the playoffs.

Originally posted by Phil:
A viable back up QB gives the team a chance to win a game or 2 if the starter goes down on a non season ending injury. Our current backup QB situation, well, if Kap goes down for 2 or 3 games our season is over. This wouldn't be the case with a viable backup. Counting on Gabbert for that role wasn't a smart move. We need to admit this.

hindsight is always 20/20

harbaugh tends to know what he's doing when dealing with qbs (alex,kap).

we had alex's backup in kap. now we need to find kap's backup which he is doing.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Exactly ! When RG3 went down, Kirk Cousins stepped in big time. And quite frankly if the Redskins had pulled RG3 earlier in the game against the Seahawks, who knows they might have even won that game and moved on in the playoffs.

lol, they both played so well that the coach got fired

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Exactly ! When RG3 went down, Kirk Cousins stepped in big time. And quite frankly if the Redskins had pulled RG3 earlier in the game against the Seahawks, who knows they might have even won that game and moved on in the playoffs.

lol, they both played so well that the coach got fired

yeah cousins 58 qb rating last season was off the charts

Originally posted by Rascal:
First of all, I will bet you any money Seastrunk will make Redskin's roster.

As for WRs, you can't just rely on signing a bunch of old guys. You have to develop young blood, if not eventually it will come back to haunt you. For example, if we had picked Alshon Jeffrey instead of AJ Jenkins, we would have been sitting happy for years to come now. Anquan is getting old and in any case he is not a deep threat. Lloyd hasn't played for one full year and is also getting old. As for Crab, we don't even know whether we can keep him after this season. As for Johnson, it remains to be seen what he can do. That leaves Patton and Ellington. While Ellington has shown some promising signs, I wouldn't exactly call Patton a WR stud.

Look at this roster bro. It's freakin' loaded. Obviously the front office knows the importance of drafting and developing young blood. That's how we became an elite team in the first place. We've done it all throughout the roster.

Yeah, I'm pissed we passed on Jeffery for Jenkins. It happens. Nobody is perfect when it comes to the draft, you just have to be better at it than most everyone else. Baalke is one of the top GMs in the league. Proof is in the pudding. We win games, and the roster is stacked. WR is one of the deepest positional groups on the roster this year. He'll take another WR high in the draft when appropriate.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Exactly ! When RG3 went down, Kirk Cousins stepped in big time. And quite frankly if the Redskins had pulled RG3 earlier in the game against the Seahawks, who knows they might have even won that game and moved on in the playoffs.

lol, they both played so well that the coach got fired

LOL. If you think Shanahan got fired because of Kirk Cousins then you are living on another planet.

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Exactly ! When RG3 went down, Kirk Cousins stepped in big time. And quite frankly if the Redskins had pulled RG3 earlier in the game against the Seahawks, who knows they might have even won that game and moved on in the playoffs.

lol, they both played so well that the coach got fired

yeah cousins 58 qb rating last season was off the charts

Cousins' 58 QB rating was caused by the team as a whole. In my book, he is a promising QB or are you saying you would rather have Gabbert over Cousins ?

Oh, I get it you don't like Cousins as an example. How about Josh McCown then ? Will that work for you ? The truth is there is a truckload of back-up QBs who are miles better than Gabbert.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Rascal:
First of all, I will bet you any money Seastrunk will make Redskin's roster.

As for WRs, you can't just rely on signing a bunch of old guys. You have to develop young blood, if not eventually it will come back to haunt you. For example, if we had picked Alshon Jeffrey instead of AJ Jenkins, we would have been sitting happy for years to come now. Anquan is getting old and in any case he is not a deep threat. Lloyd hasn't played for one full year and is also getting old. As for Crab, we don't even know whether we can keep him after this season. As for Johnson, it remains to be seen what he can do. That leaves Patton and Ellington. While Ellington has shown some promising signs, I wouldn't exactly call Patton a WR stud.

Look at this roster bro. It's freakin' loaded. Obviously the front office knows the importance of drafting and developing young blood. That's how we became an elite team in the first place. We've done it all throughout the roster.

Yeah, I'm pissed we passed on Jeffery for Jenkins. It happens. Nobody is perfect when it comes to the draft, you just have to be better at it than most everyone else. Baalke is one of the top GMs in the league. Proof is in the pudding. We win games, and the roster is stacked. WR is one of the deepest positional groups on the roster this year. He'll take another WR high in the draft when appropriate.

But, that is my point. Wouldn't you agree this year would have been appropriate to take a WR high if Baalke didn't trade for Johnson and sign Lloyd ? What I am saying is if Baalke keeps doing that year in year out, there will never be that so-called "appropriate" moment to take a WR high in your definition.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Exactly ! When RG3 went down, Kirk Cousins stepped in big time. And quite frankly if the Redskins had pulled RG3 earlier in the game against the Seahawks, who knows they might have even won that game and moved on in the playoffs.

lol, they both played so well that the coach got fired

yeah cousins 58 qb rating last season was off the charts

Cousins' 58 QB rating was caused by the team as a whole. In my book, he is a promising QB or are you saying you would rather have Gabbert over Cousins ?

Oh, I get it you don't like Cousins as an example. How about Josh McCown then ? Will that work for you ? The truth is there is a truckload of back-up QBs who are miles better than Gabbert.

lol @ the team game angle, its funny how ppl ONLY pull that out when its a stat that doesnt make a guy look good. if his rating was 96 you wouldnt be saying that s**t. anyways. its not about cousins or gabbert for me as i have already stated that most back ups suck. josh mccown is STARTING in t-bay, at 30 whatever why would he volunteer to be a backup when another team would let him start? i dont think gabbert is any good, and completely concede the fact our season is done (its sb or bust) if kaep gets hurt. by the way you can have a good back up qb come in and win you 10 or 11 games and still miss the playoffs. it happened in 2008 with the patriots. i get that ppl want to over analyze and nit pick but we're rolling the dice that our qb doesnt get hurt just like all of the other contenders out there. i also dont care how other teams backups look in preseason, they wont do s**t in the regular season if called upon.

Originally posted by Rascal:
But, that is my point. Wouldn't you agree this year would have been appropriate to take a WR high if Baalke didn't trade for Johnson and sign Lloyd ? What I am saying is if Baalke keeps doing that year in year out, there will never be that so-called "appropriate" moment to take a WR high in your definition.

I hear you. I think Baalke is smart enough to know he can't always rely on veteran free agents, or trades, to solidify the WR group. At some point, you have to draft quality young players for the long-term. Evidently, this year wasn't the year, and that's OK for me. It's impossible to address every need in one draft, I get that. We still came away with a very good prospect in Ellington. That was widely considered to be a huge steal. 2nd round value in the 4th.

Trust me, there will be a draft when we aggressively attack the WR spot with higher draft choices. We tried in 2012, and screwed it up with Jenkins. Given Baalke's rate of success on 1st rounders, I bet he doesn't miss again on a WR like that.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I hear you. I think Baalke is smart enough to know he can't always rely on veteran free agents, or trades, to solidify the WR group. At some point, you have to draft quality young players for the long-term. Evidently, this year wasn't the year, and that's OK for me. It's impossible to address every need in one draft, I get that. We still came away with a very good prospect in Ellington. That was widely considered to be a huge steal. 2nd round value in the 4th.

Trust me, there will be a draft when we aggressively attack the WR spot with higher draft choices. We tried in 2012, and screwed it up with Jenkins. Given Baalke's rate of success on 1st rounders, I bet he doesn't miss again on a WR like that.

OK, I hope you are right. I might be wrong, it seems what I am getting from Baalke is he has become shall we say wary of the WR position ever since the AJ Jenkins debacle, kind of like once bitten twice shy. As such, he seems to be trying to lower the risk of taking a WR high, if you just look at the trend, Patton in the 4th and Ellington also in the 4th. So, we shall see.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by NeonNiner:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by NeonNiner:
Back up QB position is a complete disaster. None currently on the roster are serviceable no. 2s and if we have to rely on any of them at any point this season, we're in big trouble. You can bet we'll be drafting a QB no later than the mid rounds next year. This QB carousel system needs to end now. Get a young, cheap kid and develop him.

Definitely know what you mean about three straight runs catching up with us. I pray it's not this year. An ATL Falcons type fall would be nightmarish.

I am surprised we have neglected backup QB and backup OT in the draft.

I don't usually criticize the FO or staff but to have thirteen picks in a QB loaded draft and not spend a single one on a QB, especially when this is the crap they brought in to show for behind Kap is completely ridiculous. I hope they're willing to change their approach after this because this is not defendable.

Epic fail on Fales

I wanted to draft Garoppolo and he could have easily smoked Gabbert.

Yeah he's looked damn good. Seems like Patriots have someone Brady can help develop to take over when he splits.

However, we weren't looking for a backup QB that early and we had no idea Gabby was gonna be that awful. David Fales was sitting there in the 5th... I am glad that we got Lynch tho