2013 - Week 12: Thoughts after rewatching the game

yeah no excuse for missing that rb wide open in the flat, i know his back was turned but you dont pass up that to toss it into double coverage.

I did not get a chance to watch the game, but did Washington just stack the box trying to make Kaep throw? I was surprised at how few attempts Gore had in the first half.

Originally posted by Hayes4Dayes:
I did not get a chance to watch the game, but did Washington just stack the box trying to make Kaep throw? I was surprised at how few attempts Gore had in the first half.

For the most part. They challenged Kap to beat them by selling out to stop the run.

Originally posted by AmpLee:

Originally posted by crabman82:
yeah no excuse for missing that rb wide open in the flat, i know his back was turned but you dont pass up that to toss it into double coverage.

Every QB makes mistakes blatant mistakes in games. Whether it's missing a read, or throwing a pick, or missing an easy throw. You could see that he knew he missed it. Overall, he played a really good game, in a game our running game generating very little, yet again.

obviously nobody is perfect, but i dont like how he doesnt dump it off to the rb's in the flat enough. if you're gonna hit some 30 yard pass, yeah alright, but to toss it in double coverage and almost a pick when the dude behind you is wide open, its concerning to me. i would not be as concerned had i seen a good track record of dump offs to the rb's with him.

Originally posted by crabman82:
yeah no excuse for missing that rb wide open in the flat, i know his back was turned but you dont pass up that to toss it into double coverage.

we dominated in every way..idk if its just me but I realize kap isn't perfect n only has maybe 20 starts under his belt..name me 1 qb 20 games into his career that is better then kap..? hes basically a season plus into his career..give the man some slack..damn he had a great game..threw the ball with crazy velocity n accuracy more times then he made bad passes...cmon now..

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by AmpLee:

Originally posted by crabman82:
yeah no excuse for missing that rb wide open in the flat, i know his back was turned but you dont pass up that to toss it into double coverage.

Every QB makes mistakes blatant mistakes in games. Whether it's missing a read, or throwing a pick, or missing an easy throw. You could see that he knew he missed it. Overall, he played a really good game, in a game our running game generating very little, yet again.

obviously nobody is perfect, but i dont like how he doesnt dump it off to the rb's in the flat enough. if you're gonna hit some 30 yard pass, yeah alright, but to toss it in double coverage and almost a pick when the dude behind you is wide open, its concerning to me. i would not be as concerned had i seen a good track record of dump offs to the rb's with him.

Yeah...if you watch his eyes, he was clearly scanning the field but never got his eyes all the way over to the back. He instead worked back to one of his prior reads and never should have thrown the ball.

He'll see that on film tho. Every game is a learning experience and he'll get just a bit better every game.

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by crabman82:
yeah no excuse for missing that rb wide open in the flat, i know his back was turned but you dont pass up that to toss it into double coverage.

we dominated in every way..idk if its just me but I realize kap isn't perfect n only has maybe 20 starts under his belt..name me 1 qb 20 games into his career that is better then kap..? hes basically a season plus into his career..give the man some slack..damn he had a great game..threw the ball with crazy velocity n accuracy more times then he made bad passes...cmon now..

I agree with your general point but on the bolded?

Be prepared for a long list. Be careful what you ask for.

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by crabman82:
yeah no excuse for missing that rb wide open in the flat, i know his back was turned but you dont pass up that to toss it into double coverage.

we dominated in every way..idk if its just me but I realize kap isn't perfect n only has maybe 20 starts under his belt..name me 1 qb 20 games into his career that is better then kap..? hes basically a season plus into his career..give the man some slack..damn he had a great game..threw the ball with crazy velocity n accuracy more times then he made bad passes...cmon now..

he played pretty good, but i didnt like that one play. whats wrong with me expressing how i felt about it? as far as slack goes, there isnt much to give in a super bowl or bust type of season. he'll be around a while on this team, not everyone else will.

I agree with all points, but I actually loved Gruden's comment. You are right about us having the vertical threats last year. Delanie in particular has been overlooked by the national media. Although, now that we have seen recent game film and heard from the game film experts, we know that he has missed open guys. Not necessarily vertically, but there have been different options open. I understand us fans getting upset over that comment because we are obviously biased, but nothing wrong with the comment IMO. And Dilfer has been on point also. He is a good analyst.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by crabman82:
yeah no excuse for missing that rb wide open in the flat, i know his back was turned but you dont pass up that to toss it into double coverage.

we dominated in every way..idk if its just me but I realize kap isn't perfect n only has maybe 20 starts under his belt..name me 1 qb 20 games into his career that is better then kap..? hes basically a season plus into his career..give the man some slack..damn he had a great game..threw the ball with crazy velocity n accuracy more times then he made bad passes...cmon now..

I agree with your general point but on the bolded?

Be prepared for a long list. Be careful what you ask for.

ok ok let me rephrase my statement..question..name me 1 qb who 20 games into his career that has been better and still has more potential then him..sky is the limit for kap..lol

Regarding 1), 2) 3), I am in disagreement. We did our usual in mauling a doormat. Our run offense was inconsistent, our pass offense did not look sharp, decisive, well paced, confident. None of those things. We trotted out the same long ball ideas -- we won yesterday because VD can't be covered by skin secondary + Bolding can outmuscle anyone on skin secondary. Nothing new. What's becoming more apparent are the missed reads by kap to check down receivers out of the backfield -- also his hesitation in making plays -- whatever they may be -- taking off on a scramble, just taking the open space on a safety valve, or trying to find a lane in a collapsing pocket.

Someone in another thread said he looked hurt -- like he just can't move the way he did last year -- I wonder if that's right.

However, the playcalling is not helping him any. It's so predictable. Hunter in? It's going wide. Kap turns around with Gore in the backfield -- a handoff between the tackles. Nothing weird off a fake, very little of that. I think one problem is that our tells are so obvious, teams overload and breakdown a play with very little caution. They know we run out of the Jumbo 95% of the time. And they other 5% are bombs to whoever. We can't beat tells like that.

In fact, I wonder if the whole idea of our package offense is kind of turning into a giant tell. We need to execute plays from formations where we can do maybe 2 or 3 different things equally if we want to keep the second level off the line for 1.5 seconds. Now, they are like .5 yards deep in the backfield at 1.5 seconds so the play is broken down often. I don't know.

I really didn't get a sense that yesterday was a renaissance game for our offensive scheme or Kap.

Fortunately, if ALdon + Brooks + lemonhead can play at the higher level, we will start to get our sacks. then we really wont give up more than 3 scores a game. Maybe we can get by on that.

Justin had a good game too. I think Vic is starting to mix it up. No more 3 man rushes!!

Originally posted by sacniner:
I agree with all points, but I actually loved Gruden's comment. You are right about us having the vertical threats last year. Delanie in particular has been overlooked by the national media. Although, now that we have seen recent game film and heard from the game film experts, we know that he has missed open guys. Not necessarily vertically, but there have been different options open. I understand us fans getting upset over that comment because we are obviously biased, but nothing wrong with the comment IMO. And Dilfer has been on point also. He is a good analyst.

Wasn't suggesting he hasn't missed guys.

My point all along that its several things, not any ONE thing that is the difference. He's missing his second reads because last year he seldom even had to look to a second read. Why? They had different personnel and Roman was able to give him some great looks at players running wide open.

Thats a function of the scheme working, personnel that could challenge vertically, and a QB with a huge and accurate arm.

Whats changed? Personnel. While the guys they have no aren't terrible, they are DIFFERENT than what they had last year.

Example, Would I take Tony Gonzales in his prime over Vernon right now? No. Without a second thought I take Vernon. Is it because I think Vernon is so much better than Tony was? Not even close. Tony was better. Vernon tho presents a challenge to defenses that the 49ers need BADLY. He can challenge vertically at a TE. He allows yoy to line up in power formations and still throw deep. When they had Delanie they has TWO guys who could do that. When they had 2, you could have 2 TEs running 4.4 and a safety who was forced to make a choice.

That doesn't exist right now in this offense.

Don't be surprised if they look fior a burner of a TE in the draft.

You know, the one thing that has struck me the last three weeks (other than yell "DON'T RUN UP THE GUT ON EVERY FIRST DOWN!!!") is how our run blocking seems to have taken lots of backward steps. Yes, teams are stacking the box, yadda, yadda, yadda, but they did that last year and the year before, and Frank (and on occasion Hunter) still ripped off a few big runs. Heck, it was like that during our 5 game winning streak this year. Yesterday it seemed that our OL would get swallowed immediately, and too often Frank got tackled by the backside defender.

Screen passes are things that still happen to other people. Does Roman have some religious thing against screens? Kaep still makes some bizarre reads sometimes. On the credit side, he called plays in a timely manner, and we even did that no huddle thing that Roman also seems to believe is evil and should never be attempted.

Overall, we defeated a pretty bad team. They all count of course, but we have a lot to fix just to get to the playoffs. The D is already playing at a championship level, and ST are better than solid (if only that were true in last year's playoffs )

Fine post.

It's a step in the right direction. We have to keep it going.

My 2 cents.

Staley played VERY well and has for most of the season.

Snyder - his name wasn't really called much so no news is good news.

Play calling was significantly better. Roman isn't getting out of jail, just a reprieve until he can demonstrate improvement.

Justin the Great - forced fumble, 6 tackles, 4 solo and maybe he'll get credit for 2 sacks [we'll find out later

TJ Eddie - his best performance, 5 tackles and it seemed he was in on more, great hustle!

Brooks took over the game and set the pace from the outset. SUPER glad Baalke has him under contract

Eric Wright played well especially since he covered Santana Moss

Reid is playing like a high quality seasoned pro.

In perspective our D is without 4 starters - Ian, Ray Mac, Brown and Cully.