SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 15)

Originally posted by PatsFanNH:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Many coordinators have strayed from such, given that we stack up well against 3-4 WR/spread sets (replacing a LB with an extra DB in coverage) as we showed against the Packers, Lions, and Bills. Most of the teams who have 'pounded' us this season did so by beating us as our own game (at the line of scrimmage), which is why I expect you guys to come out old-school 'Charlie Weis' Pats style, pounding the rock, and drubbing play-action (which Brady is a master of).

As for Gronk (if he was playing), we've had no issue with 'big daddy' TEs, we shut Jimmy Graham down without problem (by placing Willis, and a DB in over the top coverage). People give Willis so much credit they forget his clone stands opposite of him 4 steps away (in Bowman), we matchup well against almost anybody beyond smaller WRs.

Which leads to Welker, who will probably the be 'the guy' who could hurt us if given the opportunity, as we struggle against WRs in his size/talent range.

I meant Gronk AND hernandez together you can only have Willis cover 1 TE and BOTH can beat most Lbers in coverage. MOST teams have a hard time covering both. (IMO Gronk is the best TE in the NFL but I am mucho Biased! lol)

I am excited see the best D face the best O (when both seem to be clicking) and I want a W, but no injuries just as important if not more so.

Oh I see what you're saying, lol! Sort of like us with Davis + Walker (if they can get into rhythm without having to compensate for our o-line, in pass-protection).

Yeah, I think what Pats fans will come to expect is something similar to what you'd see when you guys face Baltimore. -Our personnel/base 3-4 is pretty much a younger/faster/dense Baltimore Ravens D (as our offense also prefers the same flavor of ball-control).

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I was listening to something on 95.7 The Game that made me think for a sec.

Strictly from a Talent perspective, I think the 49ers are a more talented team...We can go position by position here...

O-Line: Pats are pretty good, but I think the Niners are even better. Niners may have the best personel in the league on the O-Line. They have broken down a bit in pass protection while Brady hasn't been sacked much at all, but I think alot of that is on Brady himself. He gets the ball out. Advantage: Niners.

TE: I love the Niner TEs, but I think I have to give this one to the Pats. Advantage: Pats

WR: I think the Niners are much better than advertised and I think Brady makes the Pats WRs look better than they are, but considering the HUGE difference in production, I'll go with the Pats. It's not as clear cut as some would thing tho. Advantage: Pats

RB: I'll get argument from Pats fans, but I think the 49ers HAD the best RB corps in the NFL. They have lost 2 of those guys now tho with Hunter gone for the season and Jacobs suspended, but I will still take Frank Gore and LaMichael James here. I KNOW I'll get argument, but I'd take Gore over just about anyone not named Adrian Peterson. Advantage: 49ers

D-Line: This one is pretty clear to me. I like Vince, but I'll take Justion Smith over anyone not named J.J. Watt. McDonald is WAY indervalued. Advantage: 49ers

LBs: Look,the Pats young group looks good....but lets get real here.Aldon Smith. Patrick WIllis. Navorro Bowman. Ahmad Brooks. Those guys may be the best of the next generation. NOBODY matches that group. Advantage: Niners

Secondary: Not close to me. Talib is a good addition for them, but the Niners have great players at Safety and they go 4 deep at corner. Advantage: Niners.


And finally....the big one.

QB: This one is the great equalizer. I love Kaep and I think he's the future of this team, but this isn't even anything resembling a contest. I think the Niners are CLEARLY a more talented team from top to bottom, but QB is soo much more important that any of the other positions. Advantage: Pats

I'm not going to make a prediction, but this game should be alot of fun. ;-)

oline -- I disagree you may have more talent but the Patriots have the BEST Oline coach around and they are consistantly good every year -- Advantage NE.

Dline -- I agree but matched up against your Oline I think Wilfolk and Jones going reighn havoc this weekend.. but adv --SF

You forgot Special teams which i think be a key player, I personal don't know the 49ers well enough to rank them...

Oh and

HC -- Future HOFer and a very good coach -- adv NE

Originally posted by PatsFanNH:
Oh they will but I think BB actually likes Harbaugh and he did call and personal apologize for how what he said waas taken.. (he also called BB I believe the best HC in the nfl.)

Yeah you're right, he did try to do some damage control on that one.

Granted, the 9'er's have a very impressive D. Very strong in talent and in scheme.
So, I'd like to introduce to the Niner fans one of my favorite Patriots Brandon Spikes. Now (thanks to Jon Gruden) a member of the Pat's "SEC" linebacker corp. Although the Pat's aren't known for having very physical players like the Steelers, Bears or the Ravens. However recently Bill Belichick in a film room session with the team has bestowed the title of "The Sandman" to Brandon Spikes, for his ability to put running to sleep!
Really San Fran, I mean he puts them on "queer street" I'll try to attach some up close and personal stuff on Spikes here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRFUOtjzQdc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7viFoLAVA-8

Originally posted by verb1der:
ERMAHGERHD ISH DASHERRRN GOLDSHTERNN!!!!!

lol. Any comment that begins with "Ehhrrmerrgerrhhd" gets me every time.

Originally posted by ninerfan52:
I was saw this from patsfan.com and could not find that link on here, but will post here

I just wanted to spy on the enemy boards this week before the Niners-Pats game on Sunday. Maybe talk a little smack. Maybe some intelligent discussion to go along with it. By the way, I like the website. Very well done. And the forums appear to be pretty classy and intelligent overall. My initial assessment of the upcoming game: If I was a betting man, I would have to say the Pats are heavy favorites in this one. You got a very good defense and an elite offense. The Niners have a very good defense with an average offense. Based on what the Pats did to Houston, I give the Niners maybe a 20% chance of stealing a victory in this one.

This is ALL hype!! The Pats have yet to beat an above average team that was not on a slump. Please look at their schedule. This is not to say this will be a walk in the park, but dont buy into this "Pats are a superior team" hype. If you all remember, last week the Texans and the Falcons were the "great teams of the NFL". Now the Pats was jumped 4 spots in the power polls just to give an idea how much they bounce around (especially if you are an East Coast darling).

Originally posted by PatsFanNH:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I was listening to something on 95.7 The Game that made me think for a sec.

Strictly from a Talent perspective, I think the 49ers are a more talented team...We can go position by position here...

O-Line: Pats are pretty good, but I think the Niners are even better. Niners may have the best personel in the league on the O-Line. They have broken down a bit in pass protection while Brady hasn't been sacked much at all, but I think alot of that is on Brady himself. He gets the ball out. Advantage: Niners.

TE: I love the Niner TEs, but I think I have to give this one to the Pats. Advantage: Pats

WR: I think the Niners are much better than advertised and I think Brady makes the Pats WRs look better than they are, but considering the HUGE difference in production, I'll go with the Pats. It's not as clear cut as some would thing tho. Advantage: Pats

RB: I'll get argument from Pats fans, but I think the 49ers HAD the best RB corps in the NFL. They have lost 2 of those guys now tho with Hunter gone for the season and Jacobs suspended, but I will still take Frank Gore and LaMichael James here. I KNOW I'll get argument, but I'd take Gore over just about anyone not named Adrian Peterson. Advantage: 49ers

D-Line: This one is pretty clear to me. I like Vince, but I'll take Justion Smith over anyone not named J.J. Watt. McDonald is WAY indervalued. Advantage: 49ers

LBs: Look,the Pats young group looks good....but lets get real here.Aldon Smith. Patrick WIllis. Navorro Bowman. Ahmad Brooks. Those guys may be the best of the next generation. NOBODY matches that group. Advantage: Niners

Secondary: Not close to me. Talib is a good addition for them, but the Niners have great players at Safety and they go 4 deep at corner. Advantage: Niners.


And finally....the big one.

QB: This one is the great equalizer. I love Kaep and I think he's the future of this team, but this isn't even anything resembling a contest. I think the Niners are CLEARLY a more talented team from top to bottom, but QB is soo much more important that any of the other positions. Advantage: Pats

I'm not going to make a prediction, but this game should be alot of fun. ;-)

oline -- I disagree you may have more talent but the Patriots have the BEST Oline coach around and they are consistantly good every year -- Advantage NE.

Dline -- I agree but matched up against your Oline I think Wilfolk and Jones going reighn havoc this weekend.. but adv --SF

You forgot Special teams which i think be a key player, I personal don't know the 49ers well enough to rank them...

Oh and

HC -- Future HOFer and a very good coach -- adv NE

O-Line) I see your point, but we can agree to disagree on #1.

D-Line) Maybe, but I don't think so.

Special Teams) Well last year the Niners had the best ST in the NFL. Brad Seely may be the best ST coach in the NFL and is also the teams Asst. Head Coach. This year has been a bit different. Andy Lee is still fantastic but Akers has been hurt and a bit scattershot. Ginn hasn't been playing as well as last year.

Coach) Belichik gets the advantage here, but I have to tell you that Harbaugh reminds me quite a bit of Belichik. He is always tinkering, trying to get the best matchups, trying new things, and most af all not giving one sh*t what the media thinks. He won't give away a damn thing to the media. He views that as counter to helping his team. Why give the opposition anything to help them.

Thats very Belichikian. ;-)

Originally posted by PatsFanNH:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I was listening to something on 95.7 The Game that made me think for a sec.

Strictly from a Talent perspective, I think the 49ers are a more talented team...We can go position by position here...

O-Line: Pats are pretty good, but I think the Niners are even better. Niners may have the best personel in the league on the O-Line. They have broken down a bit in pass protection while Brady hasn't been sacked much at all, but I think alot of that is on Brady himself. He gets the ball out. Advantage: Niners.

TE: I love the Niner TEs, but I think I have to give this one to the Pats. Advantage: Pats

WR: I think the Niners are much better than advertised and I think Brady makes the Pats WRs look better than they are, but considering the HUGE difference in production, I'll go with the Pats. It's not as clear cut as some would thing tho. Advantage: Pats

RB: I'll get argument from Pats fans, but I think the 49ers HAD the best RB corps in the NFL. They have lost 2 of those guys now tho with Hunter gone for the season and Jacobs suspended, but I will still take Frank Gore and LaMichael James here. I KNOW I'll get argument, but I'd take Gore over just about anyone not named Adrian Peterson. Advantage: 49ers

D-Line: This one is pretty clear to me. I like Vince, but I'll take Justion Smith over anyone not named J.J. Watt. McDonald is WAY indervalued. Advantage: 49ers

LBs: Look,the Pats young group looks good....but lets get real here.Aldon Smith. Patrick WIllis. Navorro Bowman. Ahmad Brooks. Those guys may be the best of the next generation. NOBODY matches that group. Advantage: Niners

Secondary: Not close to me. Talib is a good addition for them, but the Niners have great players at Safety and they go 4 deep at corner. Advantage: Niners.


And finally....the big one.

QB: This one is the great equalizer. I love Kaep and I think he's the future of this team, but this isn't even anything resembling a contest. I think the Niners are CLEARLY a more talented team from top to bottom, but QB is soo much more important that any of the other positions. Advantage: Pats

I'm not going to make a prediction, but this game should be alot of fun. ;-)

oline -- I disagree you may have more talent but the Patriots have the BEST Oline coach around and they are consistantly good every year -- Advantage NE.

Dline -- I agree but matched up against your Oline I think Wilfolk and Jones going reighn havoc this weekend.. but adv --SF

You forgot Special teams which i think be a key player, I personal don't know the 49ers well enough to rank them...

Oh and

HC -- Future HOFer and a very good coach -- adv NE

Regardless of what is on paper, it all goes out the window come Sunday night. I always take these analyses with a grain of salt. After all, how else do we expedite time when an anticipated match-up like this is only a few days away.

Much respect to you, 'PatsFan', you seem like a respectable and knowledgeable fan. I anticipate a great game between two legitimate championship contenders, but I hope for nothing more than a 49er victory of epic proportions!

I have no in-depth justification to support my stance. I understand how "hot" you guys are at the moment, especially at home, but I have a great feeling about this one -- just a fan speaking from the heart

Originally posted by Imfasterthanur:
lol. Any comment that begins with "Ehhrrmerrgerrhhd" gets me every time.

hahaha, you know that's what he's gonna be thinking going across the middle! I'm sure every WR watches the film and gets scared to an extent, I know I'd be scared.

Originally posted by Oregon49erfan:
Imagine if we do to the Patriots, what they did to the Texans.........

Well, you must understand that there is such a thing as an "EAST COAST BIAS". For example, the Pats defeating the Titans in week 1 was means for them being the "number 1 team" more so than the 9ers defeating the Packers . So with that said, expect this to be more of a mirage rather than a measuring stick for how good the 9ers are.

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by Imfasterthanur:
lol. Any comment that begins with "Ehhrrmerrgerrhhd" gets me every time.

hahaha, you know that's what he's gonna be thinking going across the middle! I'm sure every WR watches the film and gets scared to an extent, I know I'd be scared.

Especially if your name rhymes with Smearly Smoucet.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I was listening to something on 95.7 The Game that made me think for a sec.

Strictly from a Talent perspective, I think the 49ers are a more talented team...We can go position by position here...

O-Line: Pats are pretty good, but I think the Niners are even better. Niners may have the best personel in the league on the O-Line. They have broken down a bit in pass protection while Brady hasn't been sacked much at all, but I think alot of that is on Brady himself. He gets the ball out. Advantage: Niners.

TE: I love the Niner TEs, but I think I have to give this one to the Pats. Advantage: Pats

WR: I think the Niners are much better than advertised and I think Brady makes the Pats WRs look better than they are, but considering the HUGE difference in production, I'll go with the Pats. It's not as clear cut as some would thing tho. Advantage: Pats

RB: I'll get argument from Pats fans, but I think the 49ers HAD the best RB corps in the NFL. They have lost 2 of those guys now tho with Hunter gone for the season and Jacobs suspended, but I will still take Frank Gore and LaMichael James here. I KNOW I'll get argument, but I'd take Gore over just about anyone not named Adrian Peterson. Advantage: 49ers

D-Line: This one is pretty clear to me. I like Vince, but I'll take Justin Smith over anyone not named J.J. Watt. McDonald is WAY undervalued. Advantage: 49ers

LBs: Look,the Pats young group looks good....but lets get real here.Aldon Smith. Patrick WIllis. Navorro Bowman. Ahmad Brooks. Those guys may be the best of the next generation. NOBODY matches that group. Advantage: Niners

Secondary: Not close to me. Talib is a good addition for them, but the Niners have great players at Safety and they go 4 deep at corner. Advantage: Niners.


And finally....the big one.

QB: This one is the great equalizer. I love Kaep and I think he's the future of this team, but this isn't even anything resembling a contest. I think the Niners are CLEARLY a more talented team from top to bottom, but QB is soo much more important that any of the other positions. Advantage: Pats

I'm not going to make a prediction, but this game should be alot of fun. ;-)

I agree with all of that except Oline. The Pats have the best oline in the league. Brady hardly gets touched and it's been like that for years. Our pass protection isn't very good at all. We are good in the run game, but still have lots of work to do in the pass blocking department. Advantage Pats for sure on this one imo.

Also as for tight ends, we have the advantage here if Gronk isn't playing. However when Gronk is healthy the combo of Gronk and Hernandez is probably better than Davis and Walker. Walker drops way too many balls. Although I think Vernon is a way better tight end than any of those guys, he just doesn't have Tom Brady throwing to him and isn't in a pass oriented offense. Plus he gets doubled every game.

how many of us is starting ck on FF this sunday?

Originally posted by Mankster:
We've got this one. Everyone wants to rah rah Brady, but we've done just fine against the "elite" QBs.

Aaron Rodgers 30/44 303 2TDs 1int
Matthew Stafford 19/32 230 1TD 1int
Eli Manning 15/28 193 1TD 0int (3 INTs from our side did more damage then Eli - IMO)
Drew Brees 26/41 267 3TDs 2int

As far as comparing us to the Texans...I live in Houston and can tell you that not many were 'shocked' that the Pats hung one on them. Their D is missing key players to injury and has not been stellar for weeks. The Jags hung 43 on them for crying out loud!! The Texans today are a shadow of what they were in weeks 1-10. Even at their best, Aaron Rogers lit them up in Houston. Brady doing the same (in NE) when they were even weaker defensively should not have surprised anyone that pays attention to the game.

I feel like the weather will be the biggest determining factor in Sunday's game. Snow favors NE, but does not change what we do:

• Defense - Stop the run, pressure the QB, put a hurt on anyone catching a ball.
  Offense - Run the ball, chew up the clock, big play or two if/when we need 'em.

THIS THIS THIS!!! BTW, I live in Houston also, and they tend to measure themselves against the 49ers.

Teh Brady been preparing since thanksgiving

Originally posted by Puckdaddy:

Originally posted by Mankster:

We've got this one. Everyone wants to rah rah Brady, but we've done just fine against the "elite" QBs.

Aaron Rodgers 30/44 303 2TDs 1int
Matthew Stafford 19/32 230 1TD 1int
Eli Manning 15/28 193 1TD 0int (3 INTs from our side did more damage then Eli - IMO)
Drew Brees 26/41 267 3TDs 2int

As far as comparing us to the Texans...I live in Houston and can tell you that not many were 'shocked' that the Pats hung one on them. Their D is missing key players to injury and has not been stellar for weeks. The Jags hung 43 on them for crying out loud!! The Texans today are a shadow of what they were in weeks 1-10. Even at their best, Aaron Rogers lit them up in Houston. Brady doing the same (in NE) when they were even weaker defensively should not have surprised anyone that pays attention to the game.

I feel like the weather will be the biggest determining factor in Sunday's game. Snow favors NE, but does not change what we do:

• Defense - Stop the run, pressure the QB, put a hurt on anyone catching a ball.
  Offense - Run the ball, chew up the clock, big play or two if/when we need 'em.

THIS THIS THIS!!! BTW, I live in Houston also, and they tend to measure themselves against the 49ers.

The problem is that you haven't faced an offense like the patriots all season (imo the pats are in a category offensively by themselves). Each of those teams that was mentioned is not the same as NE's:

Giants: bunch of flukes we're talking about but whatever. They don't have as good an oline, TE or RBs as the patriots. Their receivers maybe a little better bu that's it.

Packers: same deal as the giants

Saints: same deal as the giants and packers

NE is a complete offense. Their only weakness occurs when there is a lack of execution.

As far as snow it favors the team with the better passing game. NE has only lost twice in the regular seasn at home since 2009.