Ted Ginn re-signed

Originally posted by NCommand:
Simply ask yourself how many active WR's we keep on game day. 4, 5 at most? How often does the #4 or #5 even see the field? And if we draft a Wr #1 overall, it will take a year or two to get him acclimated to OUR offense and build trust/chemistry with Alex (see Morgan/Williams). And who is he going to start over? Manningham, Moss and Crabtree? Really? Hell, even Williams and Ginn have a full year under this offense and played pretty well. Ginn isn't a great receiver but he did fairly well last year and without his (threat of) speed, the Giants had no issues locking down on Crabtree and paying 8-9 in the box all game.

So what is the rationale thinking behind drafting a #1 WR. To groom for next year?

Nothing personal but I hate this sort of thinking. JH got college players acclimated to his offense very quickly. He got Alex Smith acclimated very quickly. He got Vernon acclimated much quicker than Turner or any other HC could.

Any player with the right qualities, rookie or vet, can come in and make an instant impact. Coaches don't have 3 years to develop players anymore. They find "football" players with talent who understand the concepts and get them in quickly. If the player can't handle it, then good coaches find other ways to make use of the talent until they are ready for more.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Simply ask yourself how many active WR's we keep on game day. 4, 5 at most? How often does the #4 or #5 even see the field? And if we draft a Wr #1 overall, it will take a year or two to get him acclimated to OUR offense and build trust/chemistry with Alex (see Morgan/Williams). And who is he going to start over? Manningham, Moss and Crabtree? Really? Hell, even Williams and Ginn have a full year under this offense and played pretty well. Ginn isn't a great receiver but he did fairly well last year and without his (threat of) speed, the Giants had no issues locking down on Crabtree and paying 8-9 in the box all game.

So what is the rationale thinking behind drafting a #1 WR. To groom for next year?

The rationale is Bret Swain being the number 3 WR in the NFC Championship game when we started the year with Crabtree, Edwards, Morgan, Ginn, and Williams.

Originally posted by Baldie:

Nice! Lets just hope he's not injured in the playoffs!

THIS

Just found out about this... this morning.. i love it! Very happy to have him Ted Ginn back... what an awesome FO we have, cause he gives us that advantage for great field position every time we touch the ball.
I hope there are incentives in his contract that state... "an extra 100k if you go the entire season without a fumble "

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Simply ask yourself how many active WR's we keep on game day. 4, 5 at most? How often does the #4 or #5 even see the field? And if we draft a Wr #1 overall, it will take a year or two to get him acclimated to OUR offense and build trust/chemistry with Alex (see Morgan/Williams). And who is he going to start over? Manningham, Moss and Crabtree? Really? Hell, even Williams and Ginn have a full year under this offense and played pretty well. Ginn isn't a great receiver but he did fairly well last year and without his (threat of) speed, the Giants had no issues locking down on Crabtree and paying 8-9 in the box all game.

So what is the rationale thinking behind drafting a #1 WR. To groom for next year?

The rationale is Bret Swain being the number 3 WR in the NFC Championship game when we started the year with Crabtree, Edwards, Morgan, Ginn, and Williams.

The point was that we had low depth going into the season for WR's...hence when Morgan and Ginn went out, we were screwed. Now we have Moss, Manningham, Crabree, Ginn and Williams. So even if two guys get hurt, the rookie still probably won't see the field much. Would you trust a rookie WR in the NFC CG? No way...coaches will go with experience every time (unless you're a ST coach) and right now, Ginn/Williams have a full year in this offense. A rookie would have to catch on quickly and force a cut of Ginn or Williams or Moss. Could happen...but not likely. And even then, how much would a 1st pick WR play anyhow?

Originally posted by 99Ways2SackAQb:
THIS

no worries, you got this cox guy who can be more than respectable and then you got the rock, so again we have two good backups for ginn. not taking anything for chance this year in that area this year

Originally posted by Joecool:
Nothing personal but I hate this sort of thinking. JH got college players acclimated to his offense very quickly. He got Alex Smith acclimated very quickly. He got Vernon acclimated much quicker than Turner or any other HC could.

Any player with the right qualities, rookie or vet, can come in and make an instant impact. Coaches don't have 3 years to develop players anymore. They find "football" players with talent who understand the concepts and get them in quickly. If the player can't handle it, then good coaches find other ways to make use of the talent until they are ready for more.

None taken Joe! Guys you references about are Alex Smith and VD...guys who are veterans who took it upon themselves to learn the offense, have worked together for years, etc. They are not rookies. I'm sure if we draft a high #1 WR and he impresses, he will be included in some packages like Ginn/Walker now but I doubt he unseats experienced vets such as Moss, Crabtree, Manningham and even Ginn/Williams. It would be a year 2 integration to replace a Moss or Crabtree. And again, how often does the #3, 4 or even 5 WR play in this offense? And we want to draft a #1 overall for a position that he will get minimal balls thrown to him? Doubt it...IMHO.

Now Fleener...that's a guy who can start today in Harbaugh's offense and light it up. That's worth the #1 pick overall b/c of the value and production he'd provide right out of the gate.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Simply ask yourself how many active WR's we keep on game day. 4, 5 at most? How often does the #4 or #5 even see the field? And if we draft a Wr #1 overall, it will take a year or two to get him acclimated to OUR offense and build trust/chemistry with Alex (see Morgan/Williams). And who is he going to start over? Manningham, Moss and Crabtree? Really? Hell, even Williams and Ginn have a full year under this offense and played pretty well. Ginn isn't a great receiver but he did fairly well last year and without his (threat of) speed, the Giants had no issues locking down on Crabtree and paying 8-9 in the box all game.

So what is the rationale thinking behind drafting a #1 WR. To groom for next year?

The rationale is Bret Swain being the number 3 WR in the NFC Championship game when we started the year with Crabtree, Edwards, Morgan, Ginn, and Williams.

The point was that we had low depth going into the season for WR's...hence when Morgan and Ginn went out, we were screwed. Now we have Moss, Manningham, Crabree, Ginn and Williams. So even if two guys get hurt, the rookie still probably won't see the field much. Would you trust a rookie WR in the NFC CG? No way...coaches will go with experience every time and right now, Ginn/Williams have a full year in this offense. A rookie would have to catch on quickly and force a cut of Ginn or Williams or Moss. Could happen...but not likely. And even then, how much would a 1st pick WR play anyhow?

At this point right now, we have the same depth with Crabtree, Manningham, Moss, Williams, and Ginn as we did last year with Crabtree, Morgan, Edwards, Williams, and Ginn.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Nothing personal but I hate this sort of thinking. JH got college players acclimated to his offense very quickly. He got Alex Smith acclimated very quickly. He got Vernon acclimated much quicker than Turner or any other HC could.

Any player with the right qualities, rookie or vet, can come in and make an instant impact. Coaches don't have 3 years to develop players anymore. They find "football" players with talent who understand the concepts and get them in quickly. If the player can't handle it, then good coaches find other ways to make use of the talent until they are ready for more.

None taken Joe! Guys you references about are Alex Smith and VD...guys who are veterans who took it upon themselves to learn the offense, have worked together for years, etc. They are not rookies. I'm sure if we draft a high #1 WR and he impresses, he will be included in some packages like Ginn/Walker now but I doubt he unseats experienced vets such as Moss, Crabtree, Manningham and even Ginn/Williams. It would be a year 2 integration to replace a Moss or Crabtree. And again, how often does the #3, 4 or even 5 WR play in this offense? And we want to draft a #1 overall for a position that he will get minimal balls thrown to him? Doubt it...IMHO.

Now Fleener...that's a guy who can start today in Harbaugh's offense and light it up. That's worth the #1 pick overall b/c of the value and production he'd provide right out of the gate.

I know you want Fleener over a WR, s**t, I want fleener over a WR, but I don't think he will be at 30 with what he ran yesterday. Do we trade up? I would if it doesn't cost too much and we only have to move up 5 spots or so. he would be a special player to add to this team. i think he can step in from day 1 and be a huge threat.

Originally posted by pd24:
At this point right now, we have the same depth with Crabtree, Manningham, Moss, Williams, and Ginn as we did last year with Crabtree, Morgan, Edwards, Williams, and Ginn.

How do you figure? We let Edwards go, Morgan was lost for the season and Ginn got hurt. That left us with Crabtree, Hastings and Swain? We had no real offseason and screwed ourselves.

This year we have a healthy WR corp to start, time to acquire more FA depth and draft depth, some of which will end up on the practice squad. Is it possible 3 key guys go down again? Maybe...but unlikely. And after last year's lesson and two quick pickups in (veterans) such as Moss/Manningham, we're already better prepared and this is before the draft. More veterans, talent, ability and depth already.

Originally posted by pd24:
I know you want Fleener over a WR, s**t, I want fleener over a WR, but I don't think he will be at 30 with what he ran yesterday. Do we trade up? I would if it doesn't cost too much and we only have to move up 5 spots or so. he would be a special player to add to this team. i think he can step in from day 1 and be a huge threat.

Mayock, with his 4.54 time yesterday, said he does NOT see a TE going in the 1st round at all. 2nd, yes. But who really knows. I think if he is there for us, it's a no-brainer. If not, don't be surprised if we end up going RB or OL. I don't think it will be a WR until later, personally.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pd24:
At this point right now, we have the same depth with Crabtree, Manningham, Moss, Williams, and Ginn as we did last year with Crabtree, Morgan, Edwards, Williams, and Ginn.

How do you figure? We let Edwards go, Morgan was lost for the season and Ginn got hurt. That left us with Crabtree, Hastings and Swain? We had no real offseason and screwed ourselves.

This year we have a healthy WR corp to start, time to acquire more FA depth and draft depth, some of which will end up on the practice squad. Is it possible 3 key guys go down again? Maybe...but unlikely. And after last year's lesson and two quick pickups in (veterans) such as Moss/Manningham, we're already better prepared and this is before the draft. More veterans, talent, ability and depth already.

If you go based on injury history, Crabtree, Ginn, Williams, and Manningham have been bitten by the injury bug throughout their careers.

I LOVE IT ....We need to keep our special teams and WR depth strong , Ginn wants to be more of a factor in the offense, lets hope he catches some bricks in the off season to improve his hands

Originally posted by NCommand:
How do you figure? We let Edwards go, Morgan was lost for the season and Ginn got hurt. That left us with Crabtree, Hastings and Swain? We had no real offseason and screwed ourselves.

This year we have a healthy WR corp to start, time to acquire more FA depth and draft depth, some of which will end up on the practice squad. Is it possible 3 key guys go down again? Maybe...but unlikely. And after last year's lesson and two quick pickups in (veterans) such as Moss/Manningham, we're already better prepared and this is before the draft. More veterans, talent, ability and depth already.

everything you said is spot on.a actual entire off season, ota's mini camps is a huge intangible for us. and just the fact that, unlike last year, the guys can be in the weight room and niner facilities hanging out with each other building that team unity is just huge. team chemistry is built in the off season