49ers figure to have 30 Million in cap space

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by xfactors:
Options...if we resign Rogers Goldson & Larry Grant on defense and let Haralson & Brooks go and draft a LB 1st round how much cap room would be left for the offense thanks?

Depends on Alex's contract. Probably in the 10M range.

I highly doubt we resign Grant. He's a good player but for us thats paying 2m/year for a guy that's a back up here. My guess is we give him the 2nd round tender and a team like the Beagles or maybe the Pats sign him away. Hopefully anyway, would be better than losing him for nothin.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by xfactors:
1st post here greetings fellow niner fans...hope this site is a lot better than that 49ers.com message board that is patroled by punk trolls posting bait posts and has a slew of inept moderators? Posters here seem more mature and knowledgeable and not trollish?

I'm not a capologist...if we either traded these players for picks or cut them how much additional cap space would be freed up?

Thanks in advance.

Kyle Williams?
Crabtree?
Spencer?
Gore?
Haralson?
Brooks?

KW almost nothing remember he was a 6th round pick

we arent cutting crabs so thats moot
spencer about 2 mill
we arebt cutting gore again moot
harlason about 2 mill
brooks is FA

we're not cutting parys if we let go of brooks either btw.

It is unanimous to all astute 49er fans that the 49ers WR core must be improved both in terms of the need for a legit #1 WR and also WR depth.

How the hell are we going to do it under the cap without subtracting something off the defense? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Brooks and Haralson are over rated Spencer goes also we can sign Grant for less and draft a LB 1st round all helping us sign a top FA WR or two who can connect with Alex and improve our woeful 3rd down conversion rate. Let Crabtree go as well. Colston Bowe Johnson any combination of these 2 are far better than Willams Crabtree & Morgan.

Sorry Gore is worn down and has lost his explosiveness i'd cut him and sign Forte or Lynch.

It's difficult to calculate right now what can be done because of Alex's deal Rogers and Goldson and the cap.

Originally posted by xfactors:
It is unanimous to all astute 49er fans that the 49ers WR core must be improved both in terms of the need for a legit #1 WR and also WR depth.

How the hell are we going to do it under the cap without subtracting something off the defense? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Brooks and Haralson are over rated Spencer goes also we can sign Grant for less and draft a LB 1st round all helping us sign a top FA WR or two who can connect with Alex and improve our woeful 3rd down conversion rate. Let Crabtree go as well. Colston Bowe Johnson any combination of these 2 are far better than Willams Crabtree & Morgan.

Sorry Gore is worn down and has lost his explosiveness i'd cut him and sign Forte or Lynch.

It's difficult to calculate right now what can be done because of Alex's deal Rogers and Goldson and the cap.

This is the same goofy approach that basically put the Ravens into purgatory. 49ers defense is their strength, they're a DEFENSIVE, ball-control team, they are never going to be the Saints or the Packers, people talk as if all this team need is a #1 WR and all of a sudden they're passing for 400 yards a game. Won't happen. The mistake Baltimore did was trying to become an offensive juggernaut while losing some of their defensive identity in the process and it took away their great strength for awhile.

The 49ers should draft a WR in the 2nd-4th rounds, add a 2nd/3rd tier WR who will be affordable and focus on upgrading their defense and depth the rest of the way.


Bottomline, the 49ers aren't signing any big-name WR's, might as well put that thought out of your mind right now. Bowe is not leaving Kansas City, Colston is approaching 30 after having had 2 microfracture procedures, Jackson is going to be looking for a huge payday(both of them), and the competition will be intense for Wallace, he will also likely be looking for 7-10 million a year.

The guys the 49ers will be in the running for are guys like Meachem, Pierre Garcon, Laurent Robinson, Eddie Royal.

Goofy approach? You are delusional! Your approach of adding WR's that are no better than the stiffs we got now in Crabtree and Williams is a joke. Morgan is a good WR with good hands but is not the big deep threat we need.

And you say you know for sure we are not going after any of the top WR's? Are you Trent Baalke? For starters 'd be willing to bet the farm Bowe and Johnson would love to get out of loserville Kansas City and Buffalo and sign with a team on the rise in the 49ers. If we have cap room Baalke WILL target a #1 WR because everyone eecept a few dumb asses within the 49ers fan nation knows this is a must our 3rd down conversions were horrible this past year. The key is making cap room available.

Originally posted by xfactors:
Goofy approach? You are delusional! Your approach of adding WR's that are no better than the stiffs we got now in Crabtree and Williams is a joke. Morgan is a good WR with good hands but is not the big deep threat we need.

And you say you know for sure we are not going after any of the top WR's? Are you Trent Baalke? For starters 'd be willing to bet the farm Bowe and Johnson would love to get out of loserville Kansas City and Buffalo and sign with a team on the rise in the 49ers. If we have cap room Baalke WILL target a #1 WR because everyone eecept a few dumb asses within the 49ers fan nation knows this is a must our 3rd down conversions were horrible this past year. The key is making cap room available.

And they will add WR's, just not the guys you want. If they re-sign all their free agents, they'll have about 10 million left, and that's 10 million to sign draft picks and add any other free agents that may be on the market. I fully believe that Baalke will go out and get a free agent WR, but it'll be the bargain-basement value guy, the Carlos Rogers of WR's, not the big name with the jacked up salary.


Going for value leaves this team in good salary cap shape, in the draft they can add a guy in rounds 2 or 3 in Hill or Streeter who have #1 potential, simply need developing and coaching. But I like I said, if you're expecting any HUGE free signings, you're probably going to be pretty upset and bitter at the beginning of training camp.

Also that same Kyle Williams you're crying about is the guy that Harbaugh came out and said he sees him as a future #1 receiver for the 49ers. It obvious the team likes Williams, Crabtree is here to stay, Morgan gets re-signed, add a guy like Pierre Garcon or Eddie Royal and then a draft pick and this WR core is definitely improved. Draft a TE like Fleener and now you improve red-zone and 3rd down offense to boot.

Originally posted by xfactors:

Goofy approach? You are delusional! Your approach of adding WR's that are no better than the stiffs we got now in Crabtree and Williams is a joke. Morgan is a good WR with good hands but is not the big deep threat we need.

And you say you know for sure we are not going after any of the top WR's? Are you Trent Baalke? For starters 'd be willing to bet the farm Bowe and Johnson would love to get out of loserville Kansas City and Buffalo and sign with a team on the rise in the 49ers. If we have cap room Baalke WILL target a #1 WR because everyone eecept a few dumb asses within the 49ers fan nation knows this is a must our 3rd down conversions were horrible this past year. The key is making cap room available.

We don't have inept moderators here. Sorry. But we do have moderators who will give you a couple of warnings then ban you if you keep trying to raise temperatures.

If we have cap room Baalke will target a No 1 WR? This is your opinion and it is shared by a number of people. Those who disagree, however, are not dumb asses. They are people who have a different opinion from you.

That would include a fair few people here who believe that Baalke has no intention of making a big splash in free agency, but will look to the draft for answers.

Oh, and asking people if they are Baalke is unnecessary. His username here is a closely guarded secret.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by xfactors:
Goofy approach? You are delusional! Your approach of adding WR's that are no better than the stiffs we got now in Crabtree and Williams is a joke. Morgan is a good WR with good hands but is not the big deep threat we need.

And you say you know for sure we are not going after any of the top WR's? Are you Trent Baalke? For starters 'd be willing to bet the farm Bowe and Johnson would love to get out of loserville Kansas City and Buffalo and sign with a team on the rise in the 49ers. If we have cap room Baalke WILL target a #1 WR because everyone eecept a few dumb asses within the 49ers fan nation knows this is a must our 3rd down conversions were horrible this past year. The key is making cap room available.

And they will add WR's, just not the guys you want. If they re-sign all their free agents, they'll have about 10 million left, and that's 10 million to sign draft picks and add any other free agents that may be on the market. I fully believe that Baalke will go out and get a free agent WR, but it'll be the bargain-basement value guy, the Carlos Rogers of WR's, not the big name with the jacked up salary.


Going for value leaves this team in good salary cap shape, in the draft they can add a guy in rounds 2 or 3 in Hill or Streeter who have #1 potential, simply need developing and coaching. But I like I said, if you're expecting any HUGE free signings, you're probably going to be pretty upset and bitter at the beginning of training camp.

Also that same Kyle Williams you're crying about is the guy that Harbaugh came out and said he sees him as a future #1 receiver for the 49ers. It obvious the team likes Williams, Crabtree is here to stay, Morgan gets re-signed, add a guy like Pierre Garcon or Eddie Royal and then a draft pick and this WR core is definitely improved. Draft a TE like Fleener and now you improve red-zone and 3rd down offense to boot.

Meh BS!

Harbaugh's amo is to pump players up people should know that by now. And i don't believe for a second he wants or sees Kyle Williams as his #1 WR. LOL

I'm not sold on Harbaugh 100%. What good is a coach who can't sum up the fact that Williams never should have been taking punts and who also failed to pull him when he was clearly not comfortable back there. It cost us big time. Harbaugh gets coach of the year yet he was also worthy of doofus coach of the year for the Williams debacle. He got out coached by Coughlin who seen that Williams was struggling and sent his special teams wolves after him to strip him of the ball.

Harbaugh's choice of Greg Roman as OC is also troubling we were near dead last in the NFL in 3rd down conversions. If that stat continues in 2012 without a #1 WR and a hard sched 9-7 is not out of the question.

Originally posted by xfactors:
Meh BS!

Harbaugh's amo is to pump players up people should know that by now. And i don't believe for a second he wants or sees Kyle Williams as his #1 WR. LOL

I'm not sold on Harbaugh 100%. What good is a coach who can't sum up the fact that Williams never should have been taking punts and who also failed to pull him when he was clearly not comfortable back there. It cost us big time. Harbaugh gets coach of the year yet he was also worthy of doofus coach of the year for the Williams debacle. He got out coached by Coughlin who seen that Williams was struggling and sent his special teams wolves after him to strip him of the ball.

Harbaugh's choice of Greg Roman as OC is also troubling we were near dead last in the NFL in 3rd down conversions. If that stat continues in 2012 without a #1 WR and a hard sched 9-7 is not out of the question.

KW is quick has good hands and runs good routes

he definitally has potential to be a #1 WR he just needs to bulk up this was esentially his rookie season as he was injured last year

if he bulks uo he can be a good WR

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by xfactors:
Goofy approach? You are delusional! Your approach of adding WR's that are no better than the stiffs we got now in Crabtree and Williams is a joke. Morgan is a good WR with good hands but is not the big deep threat we need.

And you say you know for sure we are not going after any of the top WR's? Are you Trent Baalke? For starters 'd be willing to bet the farm Bowe and Johnson would love to get out of loserville Kansas City and Buffalo and sign with a team on the rise in the 49ers. If we have cap room Baalke WILL target a #1 WR because everyone eecept a few dumb asses within the 49ers fan nation knows this is a must our 3rd down conversions were horrible this past year. The key is making cap room available.

We don't have inept moderators here. Sorry. But we do have moderators who will give you a couple of warnings then ban you if you keep trying to raise temperatures.

If we have cap room Baalke will target a No 1 WR? This is your opinion and it is shared by a number of people. Those who disagree, however, are not dumb asses. They are people who have a different opinion from you.

That would include a fair few people here who believe that Baalke has no intention of making a big splash in free agency, but will look to the draft for answers.

Oh, and asking people if they are Baalke is unnecessary. His username here is a closely guarded secret.

ENGLISH - WHY DON'T YOU GO f**k YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by xfactors:
Meh BS!

Harbaugh's amo is to pump players up people should know that by now. And i don't believe for a second he wants or sees Kyle Williams as his #1 WR. LOL

I'm not sold on Harbaugh 100%. What good is a coach who can't sum up the fact that Williams never should have been taking punts and who also failed to pull him when he was clearly not comfortable back there. It cost us big time. Harbaugh gets coach of the year yet he was also worthy of doofus coach of the year for the Williams debacle. He got out coached by Coughlin who seen that Williams was struggling and sent his special teams wolves after him to strip him of the ball.

Harbaugh's choice of Greg Roman as OC is also troubling we were near dead last in the NFL in 3rd down conversions. If that stat continues in 2012 without a #1 WR and a hard sched 9-7 is not out of the question.

KW had to play due to injury.

the offense had no off season to implement anything.

Originally posted by xfactors:
ENGLISH - WHY DON'T YOU GO f**k YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what she said.



Wait...wut?

Originally posted by boast:


KW had to play due to injury.

the offense had no off season to implement anything.

this

and the only guy quick enough to use on 3rd downs is VD who consistantly gets doubled and tripled team

crabs is quick enough to be a 3rd down threat morgan was but he got injured

i think a while offfseason and addition of WR targets is going to help a lot

Originally posted by xfactors:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by xfactors:
Goofy approach? You are delusional! Your approach of adding WR's that are no better than the stiffs we got now in Crabtree and Williams is a joke. Morgan is a good WR with good hands but is not the big deep threat we need.

And you say you know for sure we are not going after any of the top WR's? Are you Trent Baalke? For starters 'd be willing to bet the farm Bowe and Johnson would love to get out of loserville Kansas City and Buffalo and sign with a team on the rise in the 49ers. If we have cap room Baalke WILL target a #1 WR because everyone eecept a few dumb asses within the 49ers fan nation knows this is a must our 3rd down conversions were horrible this past year. The key is making cap room available.

We don't have inept moderators here. Sorry. But we do have moderators who will give you a couple of warnings then ban you if you keep trying to raise temperatures.

If we have cap room Baalke will target a No 1 WR? This is your opinion and it is shared by a number of people. Those who disagree, however, are not dumb asses. They are people who have a different opinion from you.

That would include a fair few people here who believe that Baalke has no intention of making a big splash in free agency, but will look to the draft for answers.

Oh, and asking people if they are Baalke is unnecessary. His username here is a closely guarded secret.

ENGLISH - WHY DON'T YOU GO f**k YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol that dude went out like a gangsta