Carryover strategy from the Ravens game

5280, if you rewatch the last 3mins of 1st half, you will see exactly what happened and our 2min drill kept them from changing D packages,and we just steamrolled them downfield. Come 2nd half, we never see it again. Woulda worked all half , and no more sacks, hurries, or hits on alex. Baltimore could have stopped us in 1st half but couldn't so coulda , woulda, shouldja is just what if. What happened was our no huddle in last 3mins just flat azz lumped up the Ravens. I stick to my original observation. We should have used it the entire 2nd half . 5280 I stick by my original statement re: use of 2min drill vs BIG RUSH whenever we are getting beat bad on the OL anytime. Worked against the Ravens, it will work against the other big rush Ds.

Originally posted by global_nomad:
I find it interesting that the beat writers keep saying "oh they must be saving this for the playoffs"

For example:

-screen passes to RBs (oh they must be saving that).
- a package for kaepernick (oh they must be saving that.)

It sounds like they are saving it if the beat writers are hinting at it. We better see something new in January!

Actually it's probably just something for them to write about. That stuff probably hasn't even been installed yet because of the lockout. Kaepernick might not even play, and Alex is nearly as athletic as Kaepernick(kaep runs a 4.5 vs Alex's 4.6) so there's no reason to put a rookie in during an important spot where he might mess up when we have a starter who can do most of the same things that is actually playing well. But my guess is if there is hypothetically a package for him to play, that it hasn't been installed yet because of the lockout.

Originally posted by 5280High:
This could of all been summed up with one word... Rachal.

He is the biggest problem on the line. It's obvious AD's play gets hurt when hes next to Rachal but im starting to think its because he has to cover for Rachal not knowing his assignments and do too much rather than needing a veteran presence to guide him.. he just needs a RG who knows wtf they are doing, vet or rookie. Until we get more depth or activate Kilgore, any team will have success stunting against Rachal.

Also, your 1 step drop theory is nice but flawed. Defenses adjust, CB's will press, D-lineman will just stand up and swat balls looking for the interception if the dont see Alex shifting his weight back for the drop back. It may work once or twice but to continually do it would turn into a pic 6. Rolling out away from the right side of the line would of been nice, or stacking the left side with an extra TE or lineman to force the defense to shift over a gap from Rachal & AD could of helped, if they dont adjust then run audible to the stacked side. But the coaches are much smarter than us so there is probably reasons for the things they did/didnt do that we will never know about.

When Rachal came into the game, I knew our offense was going nowhere after that.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Actually it's probably just something for them to write about. That stuff probably hasn't even been installed yet because of the lockout. Kaepernick might not even play, and Alex is nearly as athletic as Kaepernick(kaep runs a 4.5 vs Alex's 4.6) so there's no reason to put a rookie in during an important spot where he might mess up when we have a starter who can do most of the same things that is actually playing well. But my guess is if there is hypothetically a package for him to play, that it hasn't been installed yet because of the lockout.

I don't disagree with your post, but I disagree with the bolded. There are good NFL DB's and WR's who run 4.5 or 4.6, that doesn't mean Alex Smith is just as athletic as they are.
Kaepernick is MUCH more athletic than Alex Smith, although Smith is above average for a quarterback.

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Actually it's probably just something for them to write about. That stuff probably hasn't even been installed yet because of the lockout. Kaepernick might not even play, and Alex is nearly as athletic as Kaepernick(kaep runs a 4.5 vs Alex's 4.6) so there's no reason to put a rookie in during an important spot where he might mess up when we have a starter who can do most of the same things that is actually playing well. But my guess is if there is hypothetically a package for him to play, that it hasn't been installed yet because of the lockout.

I don't disagree with your post, but I disagree with the bolded. There are good NFL DB's and WR's who run 4.5 or 4.6, that doesn't mean Alex Smith is just as athletic as they are.
Kaepernick is MUCH more athletic than Alex Smith, although Smith is above average for a quarterback.

I thought Alex ran a 4.7 at the combine. Kaep is much more athletic than Smith. Remember, arm strength is athleticism.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
5280, if you rewatch the last 3mins of 1st half, you will see exactly what happened and our 2min drill kept them from changing D packages,and we just steamrolled them downfield. Come 2nd half, we never see it again. Woulda worked all half , and no more sacks, hurries, or hits on alex. Baltimore could have stopped us in 1st half but couldn't so coulda , woulda, shouldja is just what if. What happened was our no huddle in last 3mins just flat azz lumped up the Ravens. I stick to my original observation. We should have used it the entire 2nd half . 5280 I stick by my original statement re: use of 2min drill vs BIG RUSH whenever we are getting beat bad on the OL anytime. Worked against the Ravens, it will work against the other big rush Ds.

I agree that it was working but just think the situation also helped allow that type of offense to work. It would of been great to go no huddle outside of the 2 minute drill, but two things probly stopped it from happening.

-The plays available for the two minute drill are limited and usually called by Alex or called in advance... at some point coaches wanna coach and hate giving away control of what plays are being called. The only teams that use two minute drills often are ones with elite QB's who have mindmelds with their headcoach, ie: Brady, Brees and Rodgers.

-If Rachal didnt even know his assignments with a huddle and full play clock, how are the coaches supposed to trust him in a no huddle offense on the road with crowd noise.

In another season I completely agree with your theory, but in the first year of this offense it doesn't appear the players have perfected enough plays to sustain a no huddle offense for long stretches at a time. Also, Harbaugh knows Alex needs to have confidence to play well... a couple bad plays on back to back drives in a no huddle offense like a pic 6 and fumble with players not knowing their assignments and it could have a lasting effect on the rest of the season in terms of Alex's psyche.

5280 I understand your concerns. I just refer you to the other 56 mins of the game and we got our azzes handed to us. 2 min drill the shoe was on the other foot. Look if the 2 min drill stops working, then change back to under center, and huddle up. Matter of fact, changing from one to the other really screws with the D. As far as chilo goes, think about this. 2 min drill worked no matter who was at RG. Why? Because with a 1 stepper and sling it, even chilo at RG didn't have a chance to pull a matador block because....the pass was already gone, and alex was signaling for everyone to get back to LOS. Ravens couldn't change D package, chilo was marginalized(someone still had to run around him), and pass was gone. So in a way , maybe if RG is injured, chilo is okay if we go no huddle. Doesn't matter if he makes a block or not. Also when he is in, runs go left, or between 1 and 3 hole(C and LG). Alex can play this , our O can play this, it has worked, so why not use it against the BIG RUSH. I am not advocating all game, just if OL is acting like a sieve. Nothing complicated, just reacting to a team that is handing us our heads by blitzing. Ravens 2 min drill was evidence of this. Once Big Rush backs off, then we run frank, run the original game plan...until...Big rush comes back.

i like the thought that has gone into this, but really, this is all discussing/addressing the raven's front 7. if there is an aggressive secondary playing tight or bump and run on our receivers, 1 step drop plays/passes can get ugly.

also, someone mentioned limited plays for a "hurry up" or 2 minute drill offense. you are closing off a lot of options that would also combat a dominating rush-or at least neutralize and contain it.

the problem with screen passes is the set-up. I'm not telling you guys something you already know. we have not been really good with them (I personally think alex lacks the touch on screens-especially if pressured). an aggressive AND SMART defense can sniff that screen out and wreak havoc.

my solution? well,apparel starts with rachal. however, he seems to be sticking around for a bit. the online just needs to tighten up like a vagina on prom night.

Carryover strategy tonite is: We play rams, tomorrow, not Steelers. I sure hope they all remember that. Actually, Coach H has seen to it this was all Rams all week. If we play our game, all is well.

Don't go Chilo... We have all seen what happened when we gone Chilo.

Carry over strategy from the Ravens thrashing was exactly the same for the AZ game: If there is a BIG RUSH, which includes x rushing, ILB bullrushes, CB and SS blitzes, plus some jailbreak blitzes(everybody goes), then the coaching strategy should change after the first couple series. If Alex is getting sacked, hurried, mauled, and the BIG RUSH is killing us, the O strategy should be automatic and kick back mode to quick 1 step slants and outs. If the BIG RUSH is limiting our running game because there is a defender (or two ) in every hole, we should be in full-on quick slants and outs. That should also be combined with the 2 minute drill at anytime in the game, because once those dinks and dunks start connecting, the BIG RUSH backs off. This inability of OL to contain the Texans , Saints, Ravens, and now the Cards, is going to be the same D we see on next Mon, and every team we come up against in the playoffs.

Our current O strategy fails at times, and all those games have one thing in common: the BIG RUSH. Coach Harbaugh, is going to be here a long time, and sooner or later he is going to have to revert to quick slants and outs whenever we see box 8 or we have 7 or 8 guys coming every snap. Our OL is finally coming into its own, courtesy of Coach Harbaugh. He has seen the 2 min drill with quick slants and outs work against the Ravens in the last 3 mins of first half, and the Ravens were totally unprepared for it. We marched them right down the field. Coach obviously is aware of this, but seems to prefer 3,5, and worse yet, 7 steppers when the BIG RUSH is just killing alex and us. Maybe he is saving that for the playoffs but I doubt it. He should be doing now , anytime our OL is being virtually run over and thru, what he did in last 3 mins of 1st half of Ravens game...quick 1 steppers, slants and outs, and WRs or TEs should be looking for ball the moment they leave LOS. There is no question Coach saw all those red jersey swarming thru the OL on most plays...often 5, 6, or 7 guys. He knows the answer to this problem as he showed us at end of first half in Baltimore. I think he is overlooking the way to "out coach" the BIG RUSH . Hopefully he will be reminded of that when reviewing this game film and noting similarities to Ravens, Saints, and Texans games.

This thread was started awhile back but was used as Coach Harbaugh's game plan aganst the steelers. First 6 of passes last nite were 2 seconds from snap of ball to letting the pass go. All were complete. Then frank dropped a couple and somewhere in there Coach Harbaugh went for a mid to deep pass, taking 3.5 seconds, and the D was all over our Qb. Moral of story: keep our passes 2 seconds and under, because OL can't protect alex longer than 2 seconds. The rollout to rt, with throw back to vernon to the left was a beauty, and took 3.5 seconds. I think that means Coach knows if pass is longer than a snap it and sling it, alex has to rollout. Also, Coach showed he knows that punching it in from 1 yd line doesn't always have to be 4 tries and a cloud of dust...most of which we have failed. Next time we are near goal line, D will have to remember that Coach can also throw from the 1 yd line...or any other marker inside the 20. By doing that successfully, Ds will not be able to put 11 guys on LOS...without consequence. My take from this game? Roman has called plays to date, but last nite, Coach called the plays.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
This thread was started awhile back but was used as Coach Harbaugh's game plan aganst the steelers. First 6 of passes last nite were 2 seconds from snap of ball to letting the pass go. All were complete. Then frank dropped a couple and somewhere in there Coach Harbaugh went for a mid to deep pass, taking 3.5 seconds, and the D was all over our Qb. Moral of story: keep our passes 2 seconds and under, because OL can't protect alex longer than 2 seconds. The rollout to rt, with throw back to vernon to the left was a beauty, and took 3.5 seconds. I think that means Coach knows if pass is longer than a snap it and sling it, alex has to rollout. Also, Coach showed he knows that punching it in from 1 yd line doesn't always have to be 4 tries and a cloud of dust...most of which we have failed. Next time we are near goal line, D will have to remember that Coach can also throw from the 1 yd line...or any other marker inside the 20. By doing that successfully, Ds will not be able to put 11 guys on LOS...without consequence. My take from this game? Roman has called plays to date, but last nite, Coach called the plays.

I hope you're right.

My hope for Saturday is that once again, Coach H calls the O plays. SEA will be extremely tough, esp their stud in the middle, who has a lot of penetration ability and has disrupted many plays up the middle or passing plays. If Roman calls plays, I honestly think we don't have a chance. Coach H is aware that anything over 2 seconds for a pass is going to end up with D players draped all over alex. Coach knows that snap it and sling it is the one sure way to get us started on the right foot, and for alex to be able to throw a pass and not get clobbered. Once the D backs off the LOS, ie a box 8, then we can go thru our retinue of plays. But to start that out, we need those quick ins and outs, slants and outs if you wish, which incidentally also opens up lanes for frank. If we start off with pass plays that take more than 2 seconds to be thrown, expect another AZ, Balt, Texans or Saints type game. I honestly don't believe Coach is going to allow that to happen, particularly when he has seen how well 2 second passes work. The other interesting thing is that alex REALLY can throw a quick 2 second pass. He threw a bunch of them against Steelers. Game calls have everything to do with winning this game. If we come out throwing deep passes that take 3, 4,or 5 seconds to get the ball airborne, then we lose. If Coach goes with quick hitting slants and outs, SEA D then backs off LOS, then we can run frank successfully and also complete 4-5 yarders until D backs off. IF we do that we win. Otherwise, I wouldn't bet money on us.

Well, I guess it can be argued who called the plays, but first and second half were so different, I supect Coach H may have called the 2nd half plays, with shorter 2 second passes, and 3-4 second passes on a rollout. STs, D, O, and Coach all played or called a great game. A W is a W, no matter how you slice it, and we had some good runs, good passes, good D, good ST, and good coaching(2nd half). I feel we will beat the Rams, and then watit to see who we face, probably Saints.Whatever, whoever we play will know they were in a dogfight, and we seem to do well in those.