Hiding our Big time plays | Page 4

DynastyChile · 2011-11-07T08:02:46-08:00

Old time webzoner here, haven't really visited the zone since we started winning cuz....you know I do not really know why. But anyway, am I the only one that thinks that this offense, well our passing attack specifically has the potential to be middle of the pack to top 12 in the NFL if we really wanted? I keep getting the feeling that Harbaugh only brings out the stops when he needs to, and for better or worse he has been hiding a lot of plays because we are controlling games so much with our defense. Throughout this season, I've been slowly noticing how after games like the seahawks, bucs browns and even bengals when we were pretty much in cruise control and harbaugh, or smith, or a WR talking about how we wanted to keep playing field position and controlling the tempo. We are down against the eagles, the only game we haven't physicially dominated and needed to come back, and BOOM alex 291 2 TD 33 attempts. Braylon talks about it, I think Harbaugh is calling really calculated vanilla plays he knows will work and is keeping our Air game in relative check and waiting for the ravens, steelers, giants, and playoffs to let it go. I seriously think because we have been able to dominate games, and like analysts Stevieee Young and Dilfer say, we have the capability to really open it up if we have to and start using VD and Braylon on more than just slant and stop routes.

Nov 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM

#46

Psinex
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Did you guys come in knowing that you were going to throw as much as you did?

Greg Roman: "Yes. We really feel like the table was set. I mentioned to [head coach] Jim [Harbaugh] earlier in the week it reminded me of two years ago when we were getting ready to play Oregon, we had kind of went with ground-and-pound there for a while and the table was set to throw the ball. As the defenses continue to load the box more and more, you just kind of keep baiting it and keep baiting it. We wanted to come out throwing this game a lot and the guys did a great job executing it."

Is that something that's really going to pay dividends as the year goes on? Showing teams that, ‘Okay, we can put the ball in the air too if you stack the box.'

Greg Roman: "Yeah, we were kind of hoping to keep that a secret as long as we could but I guess it's out of the bag now. The players did a great job executing the plan and we stuck with that plan from pillar to post, from the first play to the last. [QB] Alex [Smith] performed exactly pretty much like we thought he would, at a high level."

So that pretty much confirms it.

Nov 14, 2011 at 10:35 AM

#47

DynastyChile
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Originally posted by Psinex:
Did you guys come in knowing that you were going to throw as much as you did?

Greg Roman: "Yes. We really feel like the table was set. I mentioned to [head coach] Jim [Harbaugh] earlier in the week it reminded me of two years ago when we were getting ready to play Oregon, we had kind of went with ground-and-pound there for a while and the table was set to throw the ball. As the defenses continue to load the box more and more, you just kind of keep baiting it and keep baiting it. We wanted to come out throwing this game a lot and the guys did a great job executing it."

Is that something that's really going to pay dividends as the year goes on? Showing teams that, ‘Okay, we can put the ball in the air too if you stack the box.'

Greg Roman: "Yeah, we were kind of hoping to keep that a secret as long as we could but I guess it's out of the bag now. The players did a great job executing the plan and we stuck with that plan from pillar to post, from the first play to the last. [QB] Alex [Smith] performed exactly pretty much like we thought he would, at a high level."

So that pretty much confirms it.

Called it!!

Dec 14, 2011 at 10:15 AM

#48

JTsBiggestFan
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Bump....do we still feel this way?

I do and hope others are too. Be optimistic....a lot better than being pessimistic!!

:)

Dec 14, 2011 at 10:17 AM

#49

susweel
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Big time plays, what is that ?

Dec 14, 2011 at 10:27 AM

#50

Cjez
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if there is ever a time to unveil these secret plays, it's now. We do NOT want to play in New Orleans. I don't buy it. The plays might be there, but the personnel to execute them is not.

Dec 14, 2011 at 11:08 AM

#51

DUB9IROCZ
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Originally posted by ChazBoner:
if there is ever a time to unveil these secret plays, it's now. We do NOT want to play in New Orleans. I don't buy it. The plays might be there, but the personnel to execute them is not.

i really hope we bring out some nice drawn plays that we havent used for these last 3 games i dont care if its against the rams and seahawks but we have to bring it to the table and win out for that 1st week bye, playing in New Orleans would be very Tough,

Dec 14, 2011 at 11:19 AM

#52

notsoempty86
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Originally posted by ChazBoner:
if there is ever a time to unveil these secret plays, it's now. We do NOT want to play in New Orleans. I don't buy it. The plays might be there, but the personnel to execute them is not.

I agree.

An excellent QB can make up for average perimeter playmakers. However, we have an average QB, and average play makers across the board. If we have all these amazing tricks up our sleeve, we would have used them to win in AZ. But we don't and we didnt.

Dec 14, 2011 at 11:26 AM

#53

valrod33
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Originally posted by notsoempty86:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
if there is ever a time to unveil these secret plays, it's now. We do NOT want to play in New Orleans. I don't buy it. The plays might be there, but the personnel to execute them is not.

I agree.

An excellent QB can make up for average perimeter playmakers. However, we have an average QB, and average play makers across the board. If we have all these amazing tricks up our sleeve, we would have used them to win in AZ. But we don't and we didnt.

Fake FG

Dec 14, 2011 at 11:41 AM

#54

OnTheClock
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I don't think we're hiding anything anymore.

Big time plays require people to be on the same page, and when one of the three positions screws up -- QB, WR, OL -- the big plays do not connect.

Poor throws are missed opportunities.
Sacks give zero opportunity.
Drops are missed opportunities.

Dec 14, 2011 at 11:45 AM

#55

Joecool
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I don't think the big plays are the problem. The designs are working. The execution will come.

I think we need to work on our smaller plays. We have been in way too many 3rd and longs. When we can't gain yards running the ball, our passing game really struggles with that 5-12 yard pass. We need to correct the OL breakdowns and Alex needs to stop passing up (no pun intended) "NFL open" receivers and getting that ball out.

Dec 14, 2011 at 12:02 PM

#56

djfullshred
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This team isn't hiding their good play calls from other teams. They are continually trying different things to see what works for them & what doesn't. A competitor pulls out all the stops everytime, and we know Harbaugh is a fiercely competetive dude.

Dec 14, 2011 at 12:09 PM

#57

80849er4life
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It seems that we call a couple of new plays a game, but the execution isn't there....gotta make first downs to give us a chance to try something...first year with his offense...we'll get this straight next year...

Dec 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM

#58

WildBill
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Other than gimmick plays, if big plays you mean going downfield, then no, that is silly. You play it then make a variation of it later. You get better by executing in game situations. I know of no sport that holds back. Now you are not going to show everything in one game, but you take your shots. How else you going to know what you are capable of or not capable? No players gotta execute-they haven't. If they all did, we would be talking more about it. Not lamenting it.

Dec 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM

#59

tohara3
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Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think the big plays are the problem. The designs are working. The execution will come.

I think we need to work on our smaller plays. We have been in way too many 3rd and longs. When we can't gain yards running the ball, our passing game really struggles with that 5-12 yard pass. We need to correct the OL breakdowns and Alex needs to stop passing up (no pun intended) "NFL open" receivers and getting that ball out.

Agree. Alex is eventually gonna have to start putting the ball into tight windows and throwing guys open.

Dec 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM

#60

AXEGRINDER
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we are definitely a top 32 offense.