Nolan/Singletary

sure, they get some credit. As much as I'm glad their gone, they were part of the rebuilding process, as was Scott McCloughan.

Do you realize that Rodgers own head coach wanted to draft Alex Smith #1 over Rodgers, it wasn't just Nolan who made that decision, and over 20 teams passed on rodgers too, so plenty of teams were wrong on that one.

Originally posted by VtownNinerFan:
Do you realize that Rodgers own head coach wanted to draft Alex Smith #1 over Rodgers, it wasn't just Nolan who made that decision, and over 20 teams passed on rodgers too, so plenty of teams were wrong on that one.

I think it's more Alex went to the wrong team, any QB that would've gone to our team the year he was drafted was set up to fail from the get go, especially with the coaching staff carrousel that went on here. Harbaugh is proving that Alex still might have been the right choice.

I thought about giving the usual, Nolan brought in the players, Sing yelling at VD, and blah...blah...blah...

Screw it. They get no credit from me. The players and Harbaugh get all the credit for the turn around and success. NFL is 'what have you done for me lately'. Nolan and Sing utterly failed. They failed to turn this team around, they failed at being a good coach. The price of failure in the NFL is to have the guy next in line get all the credit.

Prime example, Tony Dungy got the Bucs a great defense. He couldn't get them beyond the playoffs and into the SB. Gruden took over got them to the SB and won it. He gets all the credit.

Can't argue with that.

Originally posted by highwayone:
I'm sorry, but you can't call Nolan "fantastic" by making the worst draft decision in the history of the 49ers, drafting Alex over Aaron Rodgers.

You dont know that Aaron Rodgers would have developed into what he is now under Nolan and Singletary. You DO know, though that he drafted Patrick Willis who when it's all said and done should be in the Hall of Fame. You DO know that Frank Gore is ~200 yards away from breaking the 49ers record for career rushing yards. You also know Vernon Davis is the co-owner of the Receiving Touchdowns in a single season record for Tight Ends. But yes, based on the fact that he drafted Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers, Mike Nolan sucked at evaluating talent

Originally posted by Ether:

Originally posted by highwayone:
I'm sorry, but you can't call Nolan "fantastic" by making the worst draft decision in the history of the 49ers, drafting Alex over Aaron Rodgers.

You dont know that Aaron Rodgers would have developed into what he is now under Nolan and Singletary. You DO know, though that he drafted Patrick Willis who when it's all said and done should be in the Hall of Fame. You DO know that Frank Gore is ~200 yards away from breaking the 49ers record for career rushing yards. You also know Vernon Davis is the co-owner of the Receiving Touchdowns in a single season record for Tight Ends. But yes, based on the fact that he drafted Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers, Mike Nolan sucked at evaluating talent

Another typical Anti Alex Smith rhetoric.....if you like Rodgers so much..become a Packer fan...I truly believe this fanbase has become a complete joke!

I'll give Nolan credit for assembling a "good, hard working, character" team........it's a great reflection on this team that there are no prima donnas. Baalke has done a great job in the past couple of years in adding to that.

BUT HARBAUGH BROUGHT IN THE STAFF AND MAXIMIZED their potential.

So I will give Nolan/Dingleberry some cred......but I'm glad they are gone.

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Originally posted by VtownNinerFan:
Do you realize that Rodgers own head coach wanted to draft Alex Smith #1 over Rodgers, it wasn't just Nolan who made that decision, and over 20 teams passed on rodgers too, so plenty of teams were wrong on that one.

I think it's more Alex went to the wrong team, any QB that would've gone to our team the year he was drafted was set up to fail from the get go, especially with the coaching staff carrousel that went on here. Harbaugh is proving that Alex still might have been the right choice.

Ugh, I hate responding to posts that make me sound like a "hater," but I just can't let it slide.

Yes, Alex looks great this year. Yes, I want him here long-term. Yes, I think he can win Super Bowls. And yes, I believe most GMs would have taken Alex.

But in hindsight, no, Alex will never prove that he was the "right" choice. The sooner we can accept that Aaron Rodgers will probably go down as an all-time great, the sooner we can stop having this conversation. Admitting that with the benefit of hindsight you'd rather have the other guy is not tantamount to bashing on our guy.

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Originally posted by VtownNinerFan:
Do you realize that Rodgers own head coach wanted to draft Alex Smith #1 over Rodgers, it wasn't just Nolan who made that decision, and over 20 teams passed on rodgers too, so plenty of teams were wrong on that one.

I think it's more Alex went to the wrong team, any QB that would've gone to our team the year he was drafted was set up to fail from the get go, especially with the coaching staff carrousel that went on here. Harbaugh is proving that Alex still might have been the right choice.

We could have drafted Marino, Montana, or Jesus, no one would have developed into a quality QB with the coaching that they received after Norv left us.

*I do think that if Norv hadn't left us for San Diego that Alex would have been much better sooner and that our team overall would have been better earlier and we might still have Nolan as our HC...*

Originally posted by highwayone:

Originally posted by Ether:
Mike Nolan is a fantastic talent evaluator. Alex, Joe Staley, Delanie Walker, Parys Haralson, Josh Morgan are all major contributors. Gore, Vernon, Patrick, McDonald are all Pro Bowl players (or should be). Not to mention he signed Justin Smith. The only starters from the Singletary regime is Michael Crabtree and Ricky Jean-Francois. Singletary gets credit for turning Vernon into a beast, but Mike Nolan deserves credit for building this team.

I'm sorry, but you can't call Nolan "fantastic" by making the worst draft decision in the history of the 49ers, drafting Alex over Aaron Rodgers.

And had the Niners drafted A Rogers and he got mashed around the way A Smith has gotten you'd say Nolan was an Idiot for drafting Rogers

two of the worst coaches to walk the 49ers sidelines

Originally posted by stepnez:
i thought sing helped change the attitude but not wins. he possibly had the worst staff in pro football since the super bowl era. the staff was his responsibility and he did draft 2 anchors for our o-line future

This...I thought his staff was Horrible...but it was his responsibility to bring in a staff who he could work with and be effective..I thought his first mistake with the staff was firing Martz...they seemed to have conflicting personalities but I thought it was that ingredient that would of made them successful...but who knows...Martz probably would of gotten Alex killed............I also think Sing was a little outta control...it was nice to see him throw Vernon out, try to fire up Alex on the sideline(at the time) but his over the top emotional manner was never gonna be something that was effective for this team in the long run...In all ...Being a coach is a very interesting position to hold...it's almost gotta be a perfect fit for it to work ...Yeah the rah rah speeches are nice but you have to inspire confidence and positivity as well…the guys don't only have to play hard for you(which they did every week for Sing) but they also have to buy into what you are selling…Nolan on the other hand...well I never liked Nolan really...something about him, maybe it was his suits but he just had this smugness about him...I thought in the beginning he could be successful but after some of his ultra conservative play calling and this whole "Nolan guys" thing…omg what a nightmare to think about that again…I remember when he got rid of Jamie Winborn…I remember thinking Nolan is real A hole….my way or the high way?? I mean come on…at least try to work with the guy first….

Let me add this also as I see the A Rogers topic being discussed again as usual....Is it possible that guys like A Rogers reach their levels of greatness not only because of the good situation he landed in(Being behind a HOFer etc etc) but also because he was passed up so many teams ...he probably has used that as motivation to really exceed in his career....It was just meant to be that way for Rogers...if he landed in San Fran as the number 1 pick who knows how his career would of turned out....I know one thing..he wouldn't be upset about being passed over by so many teams....It might be Smith who is Rogers right now...who knows...Just to grab something from another sport....I'm sure MJ didn't like being drafted after Sam Bowie...you think he may of used that just a little bit to motivate himself to prove the Blazers wrong.. ...how did that work out for him??

CamInman Cam Inman
In SI story, 49ers Gore says: "[Nolan] just wanted us to stay in the game instead of saying, Let's go attack them and see what we can do. "

Originally posted by GEEK:
Nolan/McCloughan did a good job drafting talent. The core of this team is from their draft classes.

- Alex Smith
- Frank Gore
- Vernon Davis
- Joe Staley
- Michael Crabtree
- Patrick Willis
- Ray McDonald
- Dashon Goldson
- Parys Haralson

But the utilization from Nolan and Singletary was horrendous.

You mean like no gameplan and overly simplistic philosophies like "WE MUST RUN THE BALL" and "WE ARE NOT A CHARITY?".....