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I agree with everything Cosell states in this article.
Sep 22, 2011 at 11:42 AM
- stepnez
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every qb has limitations. would be nice if the o-line would allow us to play to alex's strengths but they currently can't. until their play gets straightened out we will continue to struggle offensively.
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:16 PM
- ninersrule4
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:Is this the same dude that broke down the none throw to Crabtree and thought that it should have gone to Crabs when he wasn't even in the picture and a rusher ready to blowup Smith. He couldn't even remember what quarter the play was in. In essence he wanted Smith to hold the ball and stay on the read longer, but in this article said that Smith is slow to let the ball go. (which I disagree)
Smith should have thrown that to Crabs, Alex will never be a good QB because he doesn't anticipate OT throw the WRs open like the greats do
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:19 PM
- WillistheWall
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Originally posted by 12b6demurrer:
Cosell has stuck with that opinion for a pretty long time and it's easy to be right when it's been true most of his career.
That being said, whenever he's wrong, he doesn't really address it. Before the draft, he said that Dalton wasn't more than a 4th round talent. Now he's sucking his dick.
+1
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by 12b6demurrer:
Cosell has stuck with that opinion for a pretty long time and it's easy to be right when it's been true most of his career.
That being said, whenever he's wrong, he doesn't really address it. Before the draft, he said that Dalton wasn't more than a 4th round talent. Now he's sucking his dick.
He also said in that breakdown that Dalton is limitations. He's not going to stretch it.
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:25 PM
- qnnhan7
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Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Is this the same dude that broke down the none throw to Crabtree and thought that it should have gone to Crabs when he wasn't even in the picture and a rusher ready to blowup Smith. He couldn't even remember what quarter the play was in. In essence he wanted Smith to hold the ball and stay on the read longer, but in this article said that Smith is slow to let the ball go. (which I disagree)
Smith should have thrown that to Crabs, Alex will never be a good QB because he doesn't anticipate OT throw the WRs open like the greats do
Pretty clear Crabtree wasn't available at the open window to throw the ball. When the rusher was within a step of sacking Smith, Crabtree was still behind VD with 2 DB double team. Time and distance will tell you the rusher will get to Smith for a sack first before Crabs can get to the window.
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:27 PM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Is this the same dude that broke down the none throw to Crabtree and thought that it should have gone to Crabs when he wasn't even in the picture and a rusher ready to blowup Smith. He couldn't even remember what quarter the play was in. In essence he wanted Smith to hold the ball and stay on the read longer, but in this article said that Smith is slow to let the ball go. (which I disagree)
Smith should have thrown that to Crabs, Alex will never be a good QB because he doesn't anticipate OT throw the WRs open like the greats do
Pretty clear Crabtree wasn't available at the open window to throw the ball. When the rusher was within a step of sacking Smith, Crabtree was still behind VD with 2 DB double team. Time and distance will tell you the rusher will get to Smith for a sack first before Crabs can get to the window.
The rusher appeared he was being pushed upfield and Smith would have easily avoided that rush if he didn't rush it himself.
Great, now we need the picture up again.
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Cosell is correct in that we have backfield issues, and that Harbaugh is learning the NFL and his own players, and he is correct that Smith has not been a stellar QB in his career. Now that we have the obvious out of the way what should we do between now and Sunday? Should Harbaugh try to work with what he has or dump the team and start fresh with a brand new team that he can not get between now and Sunday. So my recommendation is to work with what he has and make the best of it.
Stevie Wonder told him that. LOL
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:36 PM
- qnnhan7
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Is this the same dude that broke down the none throw to Crabtree and thought that it should have gone to Crabs when he wasn't even in the picture and a rusher ready to blowup Smith. He couldn't even remember what quarter the play was in. In essence he wanted Smith to hold the ball and stay on the read longer, but in this article said that Smith is slow to let the ball go. (which I disagree)
Smith should have thrown that to Crabs, Alex will never be a good QB because he doesn't anticipate OT throw the WRs open like the greats do
Pretty clear Crabtree wasn't available at the open window to throw the ball. When the rusher was within a step of sacking Smith, Crabtree was still behind VD with 2 DB double team. Time and distance will tell you the rusher will get to Smith for a sack first before Crabs can get to the window.
The rusher appeared he was being pushed upfield and Smith would have easily avoided that rush if he didn't rush it himself.
Great, now we need the picture up again.
NO! I had to think twice before responding to this post
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:46 PM
- Shemp
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Originally posted by 9erred:well, one thing he hammered on, and he used a different word (can't remember, I read this many hours ago) is that Alex is HESITANT. And that's a great descriptor behind many of his problems. Hesitance + inaccurate = career backup. Tag onto that a slow release, and you can kiss the baby.
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/09/inside-the-49ers/greg-cosell-on-alex-smith-andy-dalton-and-the-niners-secondary/
It is amazing to me how many zoners are still delusional. The above article states it all. We can argue offense, defense, OL, db's, but unless you have the most important piece of the puzzle on offense, the team will struggle.
Loved the Harbaugh hire, Hated that Harbaugh is going down the same ground hog day road that his predecessors did. The w2ay I look at it is if he cut loose the X factor drafted in 2005, he would be given more time to develop the team in his footprint. Keeping the x factor raises expectations that cannot be met.
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by 9erred:
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/09/inside-the-49ers/greg-cosell-on-alex-smith-andy-dalton-and-the-niners-secondary/
It is amazing to me how many zoners are still delusional. The above article states it all. We can argue offense, defense, OL, db's, but unless you have the most important piece of the puzzle on offense, the team will struggle.
Loved the Harbaugh hire, Hated that Harbaugh is going down the same ground hog day road that his predecessors did. The w2ay I look at it is if he cut loose the X factor drafted in 2005, he would be given more time to develop the team in his footprint. Keeping the x factor raises expectations that cannot be met.
Spot on assessment!
Sep 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM
- lamontb
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Originally posted by 9erred:I feel you they have to try something. I just don't think JH trusts the o line to try this. Time will tell.
the X factor has to have quick reads so the ball can get out before getting a sack. I am simply saying try something different. Defenses are keying on the run daring the qb to pass down the field. The only way the running game CAN open up is if the passing game starts to go.
Need to pass to set up the run.
Sep 22, 2011 at 1:01 PM
- oldninerdude
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Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by 9erred:well, one thing he hammered on, and he used a different word (can't remember, I read this many hours ago) is that Alex is HESITANT. And that's a great descriptor behind many of his problems. Hesitance + inaccurate = career backup. Tag onto that a slow release, and you can kiss the baby.
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/09/inside-the-49ers/greg-cosell-on-alex-smith-andy-dalton-and-the-niners-secondary/
It is amazing to me how many zoners are still delusional. The above article states it all. We can argue offense, defense, OL, db's, but unless you have the most important piece of the puzzle on offense, the team will struggle.
Loved the Harbaugh hire, Hated that Harbaugh is going down the same ground hog day road that his predecessors did. The w2ay I look at it is if he cut loose the X factor drafted in 2005, he would be given more time to develop the team in his footprint. Keeping the x factor raises expectations that cannot be met.
Lol. Ochoshajo.
Sep 22, 2011 at 1:02 PM
- Jiks
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Originally posted by D_Niner:Yeah, without Gore maybe Hunter could produce more than 40 yards a game. I agree as well.
Originally posted by 9erred:
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/09/inside-the-49ers/greg-cosell-on-alex-smith-andy-dalton-and-the-niners-secondary/
It is amazing to me how many zoners are still delusional. The above article states it all. We can argue offense, defense, OL, db's, but unless you have the most important piece of the puzzle on offense, the team will struggle.
Loved the Harbaugh hire, Hated that Harbaugh is going down the same ground hog day road that his predecessors did. The w2ay I look at it is if he cut loose the X factor drafted in 2005, he would be given more time to develop the team in his footprint. Keeping the x factor raises expectations that cannot be met.
Spot on assessment!

Buy hey, good thing our QB is at least responsible for around 80% of our yardage. Where would we be without him?
Sep 22, 2011 at 1:06 PM
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Sep 22, 2011 at 2:01 PM
- D_Niner
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Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by D_Niner:Yeah, without Gore maybe Hunter could produce more than 40 yards a game. I agree as well.
Originally posted by 9erred:
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/09/inside-the-49ers/greg-cosell-on-alex-smith-andy-dalton-and-the-niners-secondary/
It is amazing to me how many zoners are still delusional. The above article states it all. We can argue offense, defense, OL, db's, but unless you have the most important piece of the puzzle on offense, the team will struggle.
Loved the Harbaugh hire, Hated that Harbaugh is going down the same ground hog day road that his predecessors did. The w2ay I look at it is if he cut loose the X factor drafted in 2005, he would be given more time to develop the team in his footprint. Keeping the x factor raises expectations that cannot be met.
Spot on assessment!
Buy hey, good thing our QB is at least responsible for around 80% of our yardage. Where would we be without him?
Not sure any RB is going to do very well without a QB who is a theat to make a play. Last time I checked, Yards don't win the game; points do; but, Alex hasn't done horible this year he's what, tied for 23rd in the NFL in passing TD's...