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Originally posted by Paulhofer:
Just read a quick note on the Jonathan Jospeh deal w/ Houston. He mentioned that the Bengals made a "competitive" offer but going to Houston was a no brainer . Namdi's contract turns out to be a MAX deal of $12 million a year ...Max . Why is this important , well these players choose these teams because they feel like they can WIN with the new organization after coming from Org.s that just haven't won period. As much as I hate to say this the Niners , My 5 time super bowl Niners have lost their shine we are considered a losing franchise and after 10yrs without a playoff apperance it is well deserved , like it or not. However there is hope, once again the Walsh/Harbaugh similarities strike again. Whe Bill arrived in 1979 the Niners were the dog of the league , of course their was no free agency so Bill , Eddie D and John McVay and Carmen Policy built the organization with young talent that they could mold into winners . Listen to any of the players from that era and they will tell you Walsh would say this is going to happen in a game and it would and slowly they began to believe. Harbaugh has way more talent on this roster than Bill did when he got started but he needs to restore confidence. I believe he can!!!! I love my niners and as you can see by my user name I go WAY back with this team, get on board now boys so you can say I was a believer when this thing got turned around , trust me it feels my sweeter than saying I been on board w/ the Jets since 2010 ! Ha ha. I am a realist , and this franchise has alot to fix but I do believe a Coach with the right players can change a teams Destiny !!! Enjoy boys there are brighter days ahead I Guarantee it !

Originally posted by Paulhofer:
Just read a quick note on the Jonathan Jospeh deal w/ Houston. He mentioned that the Bengals made a "competitive" offer but going to Houston was a no brainer . Namdi's contract turns out to be a MAX deal of $12 million a year ...Max . Why is this important , well these players choose these teams because they feel like they can WIN with the new organization after coming from Org.s that just haven't won period. As much as I hate to say this the Niners , My 5 time super bowl Niners have lost their shine we are considered a losing franchise and after 10yrs without a playoff apperance it is well deserved , like it or not. However there is hope, once again the Walsh/Harbaugh similarities strike again. Whe Bill arrived in 1979 the Niners were the dog of the league , of course their was no free agency so Bill , Eddie D and John McVay and Carmen Policy built the organization with young talent that they could mold into winners . Listen to any of the players from that era and they will tell you Walsh would say this is going to happen in a game and it would and slowly they began to believe. Harbaugh has way more talent on this roster than Bill did when he got started but he needs to restore confidence. I believe he can!!!! I love my niners and as you can see by my user name I go WAY back with this team, get on board now boys so you can say I was a believer when this thing got turned around , trust me it feels my sweeter than saying I been on board w/ the Jets since 2010 ! Ha ha. I am a realist , and this franchise has alot to fix but I do believe a Coach with the right players can change a teams Destiny !!! Enjoy boys there are brighter days ahead I Guarantee it !

The state of the franchise has been at an absolute nadir these last several seasons, lower even than in '79.
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Debartalo paid players premium back when there was no salary cap. The Yorks are cheap and are terrile at running a football franchise. With an inept management, I don't see the correlation other than they still play in the same dilapidated stadium for the next 5 years.

What player would want to come here?
You are contrdicting yourself. Eddie didn't have a salary cap and you see no difference? You have to work with the cap or you will be losing even more players when you just start to become successful. Eddie only paid his players what they deserved and because they had no cap they could keep their players that they were developing and not watch their players go elsewhere, which at the time, to go elsewhere you had to have more than 6 years of service. Most contracts went 5 years at the most. Why do you think that Walsh had a harder time helping the team his second go round, different rules. Sure I'd like to see a big time name come here, but first you gotta build and get to the playoffs, but Baalke is correct in that many times teams overpay. You gotta look at history. Now if we were like the 94 49ers that is different-you go after NA and make a splash to push you over the hump, but until then build the youngsters up and get what you can w/o digging yourself into hole-one way or the other.

On top of that the niners were in salary cap hell because of Carmen Policy going for broke. We paid for if for years and it has rippled down thru the years. Now I am not excusing the Dr. Dork-he knew nothing of football and should gotten someone to be a GM, instead of hiring Nolan and letting him hire his own GM.

Another thing, people in NFL circles at the time thought Scott was not a bad hire cause he did come from Seattle under the eye of a Holmgren. Not backing up Scott as a choice, but if you look at Atlanta's and the Eagles GMs and their background before they got the call, they didn't have the experience background that many are clamoring for now...as another example, b-4 Walsh there was Joe Thomas an experienced GM that was lauded but only ended up making the niners worst... basically you never know what you gonna get until you bite into it like Forrest Gump's chocolate.
I see nothing positive at all other than Harbaugh.


Originally posted by Wodwo:
Some fans want us to be paper champions already. I can sympathize with that. We've been bad for a long time an it looks like we're getting worse on paper.

Just remember that we were paper champions last offseason.

It's hard to argue that we're going to have a good season. It would be hard to argue that we'll have a better record than last season.

However, that doesn't mean we aren't going to get better.

IMO, our biggest flaw last season was coaching. Well, we got the paper champion coach. Let's give him a chance before we burn him.

Nice post, Wodwo! The one race the Niners won this offseason was getting the top coaching prospect in Harbaugh. They are going to let him run with the franchise and turn it around like he did at Stanford. Remember, Harbaugh was limited by the academic requirements at Stanford, so he couldn't get the best athletes like the SEC or University of Spoiled Children. Still, he built a powerhouse. We all hope that he can do the same at the next level.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I see nothing positive at all other than Harbaugh.



are you a very high and low type of fan? extremely happy when their winning, but pessimistic when there not? And I am not asking this to be a jerk or anything like that.
I am wondring cause I have been reading here a long time. And it's been a long time since iv'e seen a positive post from you.
i think it feels like 2011
Originally posted by gold49er2183:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I see nothing positive at all other than Harbaugh.



are you a very high and low type of fan? extremely happy when their winning, but pessimistic when there not? And I am not asking this to be a jerk or anything like that.
I am wondring cause I have been reading here a long time. And it's been a long time since iv'e seen a positive post from you.

I am sure he will be negative until the Yorks sell the team. That will likely never happen...
It's always darkest before dawns.

2000's = darkness
2010's = dawness
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
This team is not even competitive right now with their personnel.
The Niners hit a once in a lifetime combination of Walsh and Montana and a perfect front office. Unless the Niners tank and get Luck next season, and overhaul their front office with people who know what they are doing, we are not going to see a repeat of the dynasty.

Jed is no Eddie and Trent is no Carmen.

History never repeats itself exactly. But the tide has turned and the team is on the way back.

We have a good, promising college coach with no NFL experience. And, a roster that is slowly losing much of its talent base. I don't see how this is turning the corner. Sorry, I am just not as optimistic as you.


I think the Niners are intentionally getting worse talent wise--for this season--to weed out the players past their prime, that have not helped turn this team around in prior years. This year has to be almost looked at as like 2004 again---the bottom base starting point---with the expectation we now have a real coaching staff and possibly a GM ( not sure on that part) to begin the rebuilding process.
are we to assume Kapernick is gonna be close to Joe Cool?


Joe Hastings close to Rice
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
This team is not even competitive right now with their personnel.
The Niners hit a once in a lifetime combination of Walsh and Montana and a perfect front office. Unless the Niners tank and get Luck next season, and overhaul their front office with people who know what they are doing, we are not going to see a repeat of the dynasty.

Jed is no Eddie and Trent is no Carmen.

Neither were they when they started...so?
One cause for optimism is that the team actually won games last year despite being crippled by astonishingly bad coaching. Players have come and gone, but at this time the team seems to be no worse, so we can expect a better record, a good look forward and the start of something good.
Nice Paul Hofer. Good way to hit the ground running!

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
It's always darkest before dawns.

2000's = darkness
2010's = dawness

1970's = dawness
1980's = sunrise
1990's = sunset
2000's = darkness
2010's = dawness

I'm noticing a pattern here lol

[ Edited by sizzle86 on Aug 4, 2011 at 09:50:02 ]
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