How did Singletary....

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

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Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

Tough to defend Singletary. And that ship has sailed.

Originally posted by andes14:


Your opinion IS without value. The Steelers had arguably the worst OL in 2008 and they won it all. Hence your statement that "you can't have a good team with a bad OLine" is CLEARLY wrong. How is that even debatable?

Quit responding then, we (you) are wasting our time...unless you want to provide some proof that the Steelers were "the worst OL in 2008" which you have not.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jul 31, 2011 at 13:21:26 ]

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by Allx9er:
couple reasons why gore didnt get the carries...
1)injury
2)cant get a lot of carries if you cant extend drives
3)cant extend drives if you have a bone head scheme
that includes running your rb into 9 man fronts down after down

Injury has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about carries per game...so if he misses games, that doesn't skew it.

As for extending drives, that's a moot point also- we passed 514 times per season in 09/10. From '06-'08 we passed 488.7 times per season...therefore we actually passed the ball at a higher rate than under Turner/Hostler/Martz.

yes it does. If he misses a game, it changes the average.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by andes14:


Your opinion IS without value. The Steelers had arguably the worst OL in 2008 and they won it all. Hence your statement that "you can't have a good team with a bad OLine" is CLEARLY wrong. How is that even debatable?

Quit responding then, we (you) are wasting our time...unless you want to provide some proof that the Steelers were "the worst OL in 2008" which you have not.

Do you not remember that year at all? All season the Steelers were infamous for having an absolutely BRUTAL o-line. I mean, for god's sake, even the niners' 2009 o-line was way better. Pitt started freakin' Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Darnell Stapleton, and Willie Colon in the Super Bowl. At least we had some decent OL like Staley and Heitmann. That Steelers line was TRASH. Even the Packers' line this year was pretty stinkin' bad. Aaron Rodgers over the last few years has gotten hit as much as anyone in the league AND he has a super quick release.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

In fact, over the last 2 seasons, Alex Smith has 6 more pass attempts in the 1st half than 2nd (which if anything, is still skewed in your favor since he didn't enter that Houston game until halftime). Is that enough evidence to prove that "passed much more in the 2nd half" theory incorrect?

[ Edited by andes14 on Jul 31, 2011 at 14:41:01 ]

Originally posted by AB83Rules:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by Allx9er:
couple reasons why gore didnt get the carries...
1)injury
2)cant get a lot of carries if you cant extend drives
3)cant extend drives if you have a bone head scheme
that includes running your rb into 9 man fronts down after down

Injury has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about carries per game...so if he misses games, that doesn't skew it.

As for extending drives, that's a moot point also- we passed 514 times per season in 09/10. From '06-'08 we passed 488.7 times per season...therefore we actually passed the ball at a higher rate than under Turner/Hostler/Martz.

yes it does. If he misses a game, it changes the average.

Huh? No it doesn't. How does missing a game change his PER GAME average???

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Originally posted by blizzuntz:

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Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by andes14:


Your opinion IS without value. The Steelers had arguably the worst OL in 2008 and they won it all. Hence your statement that "you can't have a good team with a bad OLine" is CLEARLY wrong. How is that even debatable?

Quit responding then, we (you) are wasting our time...unless you want to provide some proof that the Steelers were "the worst OL in 2008" which you have not.

Do you not remember that year at all? All season the Steelers were infamous for having an absolutely BRUTAL o-line. I mean, for god's sake, even the niners' 2009 o-line was way better. Pitt started freakin' Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Darnell Stapleton, and Willie Colon in the Super Bowl. At least we had some decent OL like Staley and Heitmann. That Steelers line was TRASH. Even the Packers' line this year was pretty stinkin' bad. Aaron Rodgers over the last few years has gotten hit as much as anyone in the league AND he has a super quick release.

Look it up! Worst Steelers line rating was 24th, while the 9ers were 31st. Steelers were also ranked in the top ten in some 2008 ratings. Big Ben was blasted for holding the ball all day. Green Bays line improved as soon as Rogers stopped holding the ball all day. Imagine! People have criticized Smith for throwing the ball away but commend Big Ben and Rogers for being sacked. Yes...it's all the lines fault!

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

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Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

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Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

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Originally posted by blizzuntz:

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Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

he had 95 total pass attempts when we were ahead, 202 when were behind