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Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
It's been a LONG time coming, but its all good now!

I just feel that the Niner's are finally on the right track with the hiring of Harbaugh.

And Baakle. Although there is a bit of a question mark here because of his connection with the previous regime and their ineptitude at talent evaluation. However, personally, I am willing to cut some slack here because I am hoping that (i) he does not have so big of an EGO (Nolan, Singletary ) that he will not learn from his mistakes, and (ii) his influence was being suppressed by those he worked under (Singletary and McClougan ) and now on his own he can shine.

Certainly Baalke is saying all the right things: Need for QB, OLB. Need for playing with confidence, etc.

We can forget the transgressions of the last six years because they have all led to NOW. I would not be as pleased if we had limped along with moderate success under Nolan or Singletary's leadership. I just COULD NOT get behind those guys.

Right NOW, the Niner's, for me at least, have not felt so "right" since during the George Seifert (sp?) days.

I agree with all the "feel good" stuff. However, we still need to be somewhat restrained in our hopes for the upcoming season. This team still have major needs and will be playing a very difficult schedule. It will be like the first 6 games of last season all the way through. The team could be 30% improved and still go 6-10.

I don't mean to be Negative Nancy here but that is the reality. We will have a re-tread QB and some rookies in key positions all learning new systems on both sides of the ball...and likely missing a great deal of off-season learning time due to the CBA situation. It is a "perfect storm" for a team that has will need more time, not less, to fit all the pieces together.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you at all there.

But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying that the team may finally be in good hands now for the LONG RUN.

The foundation is there.

PS: BTW certainly with no preseason it's going to be a huge struggle. But if there is a full preseason and TC, I'd expect, and I don't believe that it's unrealistic to expect, an IMMEDIATE improvement over last season.

Your talking about filling holes? Which team doesn't have "holes"? Nothing is ever perfect. Packers lost 15 starters this season?! That's not a gigantic hole? Our biggest hole is at QB, but that has got to be better next year. And then . . . let's go!!

We agree that the LONG TERM view is what is important. We all hope Harbaugh/Baalke will be the second coming of Walsh/McVay.

Yes, all teams have holes they would like to fill but this team needs to fill three holes that no good team will have unfilled. With only David Carr at QB, Haralson/Brooks/LaBoy at pass rush, and a secondary that is totally at the mercy of a group of OLBs that can't rush the passer, PLUS some other little goodies like RG and safety, this team has more holes to fill than teams that are truly planning on a playoff run.

There has been far too much talk focused on QB, and I understand that but QB this last year was not our biggest problem, however, it will be next season, along with the other things I noted above.

So, short-term will be rocky but the worm should turn in 2012.

Originally posted by 80849er4life:

Originally posted by GORO:
Other than firing Steve Marucci, they messed up again when Singleterry got the job and they let go of Martz as the Offensive Coordinator, that led to the hiring of Jimmy Raye.


Do I like our owners no, but hopefully Jed does everything he can to return this team to it's winning ways.

Yep.....should never had gotten rid of Martz.

Thats when I knew Singletary would turn into Dingleberry....

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 80849er4life:

Originally posted by GORO:
Other than firing Steve Marucci, they messed up again when Singleterry got the job and they let go of Martz as the Offensive Coordinator, that led to the hiring of Jimmy Raye.


Do I like our owners no, but hopefully Jed does everything he can to return this team to it's winning ways.

Yep.....should never had gotten rid of Martz.

Thats when I knew Singletary would turn into Dingleberry....

Why does this keep being repeated? Are you guys openly choosing to ignore the fact that we scored more points under Raye than we did with Martz? And that like him or not (and for the record I don't), Vernon didn't breakout until Raye came aboard.

In Martz's offense he was little more than an additional blocker.

[ Edited by baltien on Feb 4, 2011 at 16:47:23 ]

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 80849er4life:

Originally posted by GORO:
Other than firing Steve Marucci, they messed up again when Singleterry got the job and they let go of Martz as the Offensive Coordinator, that led to the hiring of Jimmy Raye.


Do I like our owners no, but hopefully Jed does everything he can to return this team to it's winning ways.

Yep.....should never had gotten rid of Martz.

Thats when I knew Singletary would turn into Dingleberry....

Why does this keep being repeated? Are you guys openly choosing to ignore the fact that we scored more points under Raye than we did with Martz? And that like him or not (and for the record I don't), Vernon didn't breakout until Raye came aboard.

In Martz's offense he was little more than an additional blocker.

Yeah I was trying to figure out what M Martz did that was so special with the Niners? The teams offense still stunk and they couldnt blame that on Smith since he was out that year. What did Martz do that was so great in SF?

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 80849er4life:

Originally posted by GORO:
Other than firing Steve Marucci, they messed up again when Singleterry got the job and they let go of Martz as the Offensive Coordinator, that led to the hiring of Jimmy Raye.


Do I like our owners no, but hopefully Jed does everything he can to return this team to it's winning ways.

Yep.....should never had gotten rid of Martz.

Thats when I knew Singletary would turn into Dingleberry....

But if that never happend, then we never would have gotten Harbaugh....but then also Martz could be our HC now and we could be in the Super Bowl.....but thats in another thread.

Originally posted by mcbaes72:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
What caught my eye was Jerry Rice telling the world what I've been telling this board, that the 49er players don't like Alex Smith and don't believe they can win with him.

According to Sando, "Rice thinks the quarterback issue is even bigger now than when he played, because players are less apt to rally around a lesser one. "

The quote from Rice: "But with the guys today...if they feel you are not capable of doing it, they are not going to waste their time. You are done. It's a whole different generation of guys. I'm not saying they don't love the game, but I could tell with the Niners that they did not feel confident that this guy was the leader and they could win games with him."

People kept telling me that I was full of it .... .

But when the G.O.A.T. is saying it??

You gotta take note of the G.O.A.T.

That says it all right there. I hope Harbaugh read it, too. Guys like A. Smith, Rattay, Dorsey, Pickett, Dilfer, etc. aren't elite QBs or even good QBs that started for us since Garcia left, they're average or below. IMO, S. Hill out-performed them all and he was above-average QB, but not our long-term answer either. If somehow Harbaugh lands a vet and drafts the best QB, it would make a world of difference in our offensive performance for years.

Yeah it'd be nice, and eventually will be a necessity, to have a top notch QB. But IMO what Rice said is dumb. I mean he is basically saying IMO that if you dont have Brady or Ben at QB all your other players have an excuse to quit. WTF is that s**t? You play hard and bust your ass no matter who the QB is, because at the end of the day if you're not winning you're only hurting yourself. If what he said is true, we had a bigger problem than the QB position itself. It says that they allowed an excuse to become a reason to quit on themselves and their teammates and their coaches allowed it to happen. Of course, I'm not even sure this happened since Alex was Vernon and Gore's boy pretty much. The guys who seemed to hate him would be some of the defensive players and Crabtree. But it's still stupid.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by dankmeistr:

Originally posted by MiamiNiner:
I never understood why Mariucci was fired.

Mariucci was fired because he wanted more say in personnel matters, and Donahue didn't want to relinquish any of that power. So, he convinced York to fire Mariucci. The big thing for coaches at that time was to have the title of GM/Head Coach, e.g. Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, Bill Parcells, and Jon Gruden.

Donahue got scared for his job, and sent Mariucci packing to save it. Then they brought in Yes-Man Dennis Erickson who didn't question any of Donahue's disasterous personnel decisions. One that stands out for me is trading down in the first round of the to get Rashaun Woods, and passing up on the likes of Vince Wilfork and Stephen Jackson (I believe they were in the same draft; but, I could be wrong.) We all know how well that turned out for the 49ers.

Dan
49ers Fan in NC

As I recall it also involved an embarrassing late night (possible drunken) phone call from York after the Tampa Loss in the play offs. A knee jerk reaction to a devastating loss from a Tampa team that crushed the Raiders in the Superbowl.

Bill Walsh has a role in the hiring of Donahue who in turn hired Erickson. 49ers then drafted poorly and a lot of good players left. What a waste.

One has to be discerning when one reads Sando's article, especially Rice's quotes. First, Rice said that "This is not all his [Alex's] fault. ... with him having so many offensive coordinators and stuff like that, it was major."

Probably the most condemning statment of Rice's about Alex was "I could tell with the Niners that they did not feel confident that this guy was the leader and they could win with him."

I agree with Rice that this was the case in Alex's earlier years. Because of Nolan's overbearing personality and the teams' lack of talent, Alex's youth, his initial meek personality and the instability with the offense never resulted in enough success for him to develop confience and a leader-like persona.

But things change. And I think we have witnessed some changes for the better. Alex is older now , has matured a great deal, has a significant amount of NFL experience and I think was beginning to demonstrate more assertiveness during the last half of the season. His physical talents are there, but at long last I think his personality and psyche are finally beginning to catch up.

So, I think Rice was correct, but he made need to re-evaluate his opinion in the future.

Originally posted by excelsior:
One has to be discerning when one reads Sando's article, especially Rice's quotes. First, Rice said that "This is not all his [Alex's] fault. ... with him having so many offensive coordinators and stuff like that, it was major."

Probably the most condemning statment of Rice's about Alex was "I could tell with the Niners that they did not feel confident that this guy was the leader and they could win with him."

I agree with Rice that this was the case in Alex's earlier years. Because of Nolan's overbearing personality and the teams' lack of talent, Alex's youth, his initial meek personality and the instability with the offense never resulted in enough success for him to develop confience and a leader-like persona.

But things change. And I think we have witnessed some changes for the better. Alex is older now , has matured a great deal, has a significant amount of NFL experience and I think was beginning to demonstrate more assertiveness during the last half of the season. His physical talents are there, but at long last I think his personality and psyche are finally beginning to catch up.

So, I think Rice was correct, but he made need to re-evaluate his opinion in the future.

This might be true.

But he almost HAS to leave SF in order to start over. And that's what it's going to take. A complete start over. There has been too much water pass under the bridge in SF than it would be humanly possible to overcome.