Is Fangio really a better option than Manusky?

Originally posted by AKfanster:
The thing about Manusky is I really don't know how good he is or could be. We all know he likes to run the god awful Quarters Coverage, thats the basic 4 deep zone vanilla defense that all of us b***h about. Everybody has seen it, when you see the CB bail off the LOS and scramble 15yds back right at the snap, you are seeing the quarters coverage. And yes, Manusky runs it ALOT.

My question is, does he play alot of quarters coverage because he likes it? OR does he run that because he has horrible coverage guys like Clements, Goldson, Reggie etc....and is forced to use that scheme out of fear of getting beat deep?

Does anyone have any insight? Maybe even quotes from Manusky himself?

EDIT- I lean towards Manusky being more or less forced to run this type of "safe" or "vanilla" defense.

Originally posted by AKfanster:

Originally posted by AKfanster:
The thing about Manusky is I really don't know how good he is or could be. We all know he likes to run the god awful Quarters Coverage, thats the basic 4 deep zone vanilla defense that all of us b***h about. Everybody has seen it, when you see the CB bail off the LOS and scramble 15yds back right at the snap, you are seeing the quarters coverage. And yes, Manusky runs it ALOT.

My question is, does he play alot of quarters coverage because he likes it? OR does he run that because he has horrible coverage guys like Clements, Goldson, Reggie etc....and is forced to use that scheme out of fear of getting beat deep?

Does anyone have any insight? Maybe even quotes from Manusky himself?

EDIT- I lean towards Manusky being more or less forced to run this type of "safe" or "vanilla" defense.

Horrible coverage. It's been obvious from the start he's had to mask the deficiency of a weak secondary with the cover 4.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by AKfanster:

Originally posted by AKfanster:
The thing about Manusky is I really don't know how good he is or could be. We all know he likes to run the god awful Quarters Coverage, thats the basic 4 deep zone vanilla defense that all of us b***h about. Everybody has seen it, when you see the CB bail off the LOS and scramble 15yds back right at the snap, you are seeing the quarters coverage. And yes, Manusky runs it ALOT.

My question is, does he play alot of quarters coverage because he likes it? OR does he run that because he has horrible coverage guys like Clements, Goldson, Reggie etc....and is forced to use that scheme out of fear of getting beat deep?

Does anyone have any insight? Maybe even quotes from Manusky himself?

EDIT- I lean towards Manusky being more or less forced to run this type of "safe" or "vanilla" defense.

Horrible coverage. It's been obvious from the start he's had to mask the deficiency of a weak secondary with the cover 4.

I agree. That leads me to think that Fangio will not fare much better without bringing in a top end DB. I'd perfer a CB, but the secondary could use upgrades at both safeties spots also.

I don't follow college football, so I don't know if the Niners can address this need in the draft. Also, with the possible CBA issues, the Niners could have a difficult time going after a guy in free agency and a real difficult time trying to arrange a trade deal.

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I think the defense looked great in week 17 when Sing was finally gone

They were also playing the Cardinals, so it is hard to tell. Against any decent team, the defense has been picked apart.

what was our Defense's fianlly ranking this year?

I believe it was 13.

I'm a little wary of Fangio as well. As the TC has mentioned, his units have regressed every year he was DC. When it's one team, fine. But when it's 3 teams, it raises questions.

His best defensive ranking was at #7 with the Carolina Panthers.

But to be fair to Fangio, he'll have more defensive talent than he had to work with when he was with the Panthers, Texans, and Colts.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I think the defense looked great in week 17 when Sing was finally gone

They were also playing the Cardinals, so it is hard to tell. Against any decent team, the defense has been picked apart.

what was our Defense's fianlly ranking this year?

I believe it was 13.

I'm a little wary of Fangio as well. As the TC has mentioned, his units have regressed every year he was DC. When it's one team, fine. But when it's 3 teams, it raises questions.

His best defensive ranking was at #7 with the Carolina Panthers.

But to be fair to Fangio, he'll have more defensive talent than he had to work with when he was with the Panthers, Texans, and Colts.

that was their expansion year too, thats crazy

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I think the defense looked great in week 17 when Sing was finally gone

They were also playing the Cardinals, so it is hard to tell. Against any decent team, the defense has been picked apart.

what was our Defense's fianlly ranking this year?

I believe it was 13.

I'm a little wary of Fangio as well. As the TC has mentioned, his units have regressed every year he was DC. When it's one team, fine. But when it's 3 teams, it raises questions.

His best defensive ranking was at #7 with the Carolina Panthers.

But to be fair to Fangio, he'll have more defensive talent than he had to work with when he was with the Panthers, Texans, and Colts.

His defensive ranking also got worse for almost every season after he took over a defense. This worries me a little, more so with the expansion teams. You'd think the team would get better, not worse, as the team compiles more draft picks. In Carolina, the defense started with a bang and then proceded to get worse every year. Same story in Houston, although they didn't start off as hot as in Carolina, but his defenses got steadily worse as the years went by...

Let's be fair to Manusky though. He has achieved the following rankings in total defense:

2007 - 25th
2008 - 13th
2009 - 15th
2010 - 13th

Given our talent level on defense, that sounds about right.

Our defensive front 7 is very good at stopping the run, but we lack true pass-rushers. Our secondary is pretty weak. Patrick Willis and Takeo Spikes are among the best, if not THE best, MLB tandem in the NFL.

With that in mind, it makes sense that we're in the upper-half of NFL defenses, but we're not one of the best. There are too many deficiencies with some of our players for us to be an elite unit.

My general thought is that you need to be able to have great pass-rushers (a la the Colts or Giants) OR a great secondary (a la the Jets).

When you have great pass-rushers, you only need to rush the minimum and you can devote the remaining 6 or 7 guys to complex coverages. Although they're a 4-3, when you see the Colts or Giants rushing 4 guys only, the defensive coordinator can get pretty creative with his secondary.

Meanwhile, if you have a great secondary, you can use 6 or 7 guys to blitz, and not have to worry about your secondary giving up the big play. When you have a Darrelle Revis and other CBs like the Jets, you can afford to leave your guys 1 on 1 while you blitz the house.

In looking at our team, we have neither.

Didn't we sign Kevin Greene away from the Panthers for the 97 season? I remember him being the sack leader in the NFL for the 96 season.

I think it is impossible to assess Manusky's performance as DC without knowing how much influence Singletary had on the game planning and overall defensive schemes.

I think we are learning exactly how stubborn Sing was. He wanted things done his way and no other way, and if you didn't toe the line...

He was an unsophisticated, overbearing, pigheaded, caveman. That's a bad combination.

Harbaugh will have to assemble his staff and I trust he has greater insights and knowledge than any of the armchair HC's around here.

i wonder who the other options are. maybe hes planning on someone still in the playoffs.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Let's be fair to Manusky though. He has achieved the following rankings in total defense:

2007 - 25th
2008 - 13th
2009 - 15th
2010 - 13th

Given our talent level on defense, that sounds about right.

Our defensive front 7 is very good at stopping the run, but we lack true pass-rushers. Our secondary is pretty weak. Patrick Willis and Takeo Spikes are among the best, if not THE best, MLB tandem in the NFL.

With that in mind, it makes sense that we're in the upper-half of NFL defenses, but we're not one of the best. There are too many deficiencies with some of our players for us to be an elite unit.

My general thought is that you need to be able to have great pass-rushers (a la the Colts or Giants) OR a great secondary (a la the Jets).

When you have great pass-rushers, you only need to rush the minimum and you can devote the remaining 6 or 7 guys to complex coverages. Although they're a 4-3, when you see the Colts or Giants rushing 4 guys only, the defensive coordinator can get pretty creative with his secondary.

Meanwhile, if you have a great secondary, you can use 6 or 7 guys to blitz, and not have to worry about your secondary giving up the big play. When you have a Darrelle Revis and other CBs like the Jets, you can afford to leave your guys 1 on 1 while you blitz the house.

In looking at our team, we have neither.

That was the point of my earlier post about Manusky being forced to use that quarters coverage we've seen so much. Manusky is kinda hamstrung because of the weak secondary and by the lack of a consistent pass rusher.
To fix the problem, you either add a legit cover guy or a premier pass rusher. I worry that Baalke and Co. will be so focused on a QB, that they will neglect these other areas of need.

Originally posted by 5timechamps:
i will take anyone over manusky.

At this point, I'd take just about anyone else.

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Greg Manusky, the 49ers defensive coordinator, is rumored to be a candidate to replace Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera if Rivera is named head coach of the Panthers. It's unclear if Manusky will be retained by newly hired 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh. Manusky has already interviewed for the Panthers' head coaching vacancy. Chargers RapidReports

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Don't be surprised if the Panthers strongly consider defensive coordinators Rob Ryan of Cleveland and Greg Manusky of San Francisco for their defensive coordinator position. Both were interviewed by Carolina for the head coaching job, but Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera is the favorite. Panthers RapidReports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports

Originally posted by Jcool:

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Greg Manusky, the 49ers defensive coordinator, is rumored to be a candidate to replace Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera if Rivera is named head coach of the Panthers. It's unclear if Manusky will be retained by newly hired 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh. Manusky has already interviewed for the Panthers' head coaching vacancy. Chargers RapidReports

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Don't be surprised if the Panthers strongly consider defensive coordinators Rob Ryan of Cleveland and Greg Manusky of San Francisco for their defensive coordinator position. Both were interviewed by Carolina for the head coaching job, but Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera is the favorite. Panthers RapidReports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports

Manusky can only go to San Diego if we let him go, right?

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Quote:
Greg Manusky, the 49ers defensive coordinator, is rumored to be a candidate to replace Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera if Rivera is named head coach of the Panthers. It's unclear if Manusky will be retained by newly hired 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh. Manusky has already interviewed for the Panthers' head coaching vacancy. Chargers RapidReports

Quote:
Don't be surprised if the Panthers strongly consider defensive coordinators Rob Ryan of Cleveland and Greg Manusky of San Francisco for their defensive coordinator position. Both were interviewed by Carolina for the head coaching job, but Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera is the favorite. Panthers RapidReports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports

Manusky can only go to San Diego if we let him go, right?

He is not under contract with us anymore.