What's the argument for going to the West Coast offense?

its the offense we used when we won super bowls, so using it will automatically result in super bowls.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's all about the play caller during the game and how he practices the players during the week.

It's not about the WCO anymore. Watch the 92 cowboys in the second half versus us, Aikman was spreading the ball all over the field and Norv had them looking more balanced than us.

Get the right HC and an OC who knows how to set up the defense, use each and every play with a purpose even if the play doesn't bet gains and make not only halftime adjustments but in drive adjustments along with creating a new play on the fly.

You get this type of OC and it won't matter what offense we run. I don't think what Steve Yug said solves anything Bill Walsh was not about tradition. He was about innovation and outthinking opponents. If he was about tradition, Montana Craig and Lott would have ended their careers here.

Norv uses alot of WCO in his own system.

like what?

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's all about the play caller during the game and how he practices the players during the week.

It's not about the WCO anymore. Watch the 92 cowboys in the second half versus us, Aikman was spreading the ball all over the field and Norv had them looking more balanced than us.

Get the right HC and an OC who knows how to set up the defense, use each and every play with a purpose even if the play doesn't bet gains and make not only halftime adjustments but in drive adjustments along with creating a new play on the fly.

You get this type of OC and it won't matter what offense we run. I don't think what Steve Yug said solves anything Bill Walsh was not about tradition. He was about innovation and outthinking opponents. If he was about tradition, Montana Craig and Lott would have ended their careers here.

Certainly, the better the coach the better the results, but the WCO is diverse enough to go any which way to take advantage of the player's skills and the defensive weaknesses. In my thinking, the WCO is not written in stone but is theory that includes inovation as part of the plan.

Edit--The WCO is about how to train/coach players to see the D and react to it. It goes way beyond drawing plays on the board.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Dec 31, 2010 at 09:41:52 ]

Originally posted by HessianDud:
its the offense we used when we won super bowls, so using it will automatically result in super bowls.

championship.

-9fA

Yorks will never bring the WCO the way we think of WCO back. That was Eddie D's era and they don't like it. Why do you think they keep hiring people that have absolutely zero connection to Walsh's tree. They just don't want it. SAD

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's all about the play caller during the game and how he practices the players during the week.

It's not about the WCO anymore. Watch the 92 cowboys in the second half versus us, Aikman was spreading the ball all over the field and Norv had them looking more balanced than us.

Get the right HC and an OC who knows how to set up the defense, use each and every play with a purpose even if the play doesn't bet gains and make not only halftime adjustments but in drive adjustments along with creating a new play on the fly.

You get this type of OC and it won't matter what offense we run. I don't think what Steve Yug said solves anything Bill Walsh was not about tradition. He was about innovation and outthinking opponents. If he was about tradition, Montana Craig and Lott would have ended their careers here.

Norv uses alot of WCO in his own system.

like what?

Like alot of screen passes to his RB's, he did it more when he had LT, alot of stuff to the TE, slants to WR's. shots down field, but it has alot of WCO in it. Watch the Chargers O, the resemble the 90's niners more than the 90's cowboys.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's all about the play caller during the game and how he practices the players during the week.

It's not about the WCO anymore. Watch the 92 cowboys in the second half versus us, Aikman was spreading the ball all over the field and Norv had them looking more balanced than us.

Get the right HC and an OC who knows how to set up the defense, use each and every play with a purpose even if the play doesn't bet gains and make not only halftime adjustments but in drive adjustments along with creating a new play on the fly.

You get this type of OC and it won't matter what offense we run. I don't think what Steve Yug said solves anything Bill Walsh was not about tradition. He was about innovation and outthinking opponents. If he was about tradition, Montana Craig and Lott would have ended their careers here.

Norv uses alot of WCO in his own system.

like what?

Like alot of screen passes to his RB's, he did it more when he had LT, alot of stuff to the TE, slants to WR's. shots down field, but it has alot of WCO in it. Watch the Chargers O, the resemble the 90's niners more than the 90's cowboys.

meh, that stuff is common in the Air Coryell offense, too. Besides, the differences in offense are all about philosophy and terminology, not types of plays. Turner still runs a balanced offense using the digit system, no matter how many slants he calls for.

Originally posted by 190836:
Yorks will never bring the WCO the way we think of WCO back. That was Eddie D's era and they don't like it. Why do you think they keep hiring people that have absolutely zero connection to Walsh's tree. They just don't want it. SAD

You related to faker and San Diego

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's all about the play caller during the game and how he practices the players during the week.

It's not about the WCO anymore. Watch the 92 cowboys in the second half versus us, Aikman was spreading the ball all over the field and Norv had them looking more balanced than us.

Get the right HC and an OC who knows how to set up the defense, use each and every play with a purpose even if the play doesn't bet gains and make not only halftime adjustments but in drive adjustments along with creating a new play on the fly.

You get this type of OC and it won't matter what offense we run. I don't think what Steve Yug said solves anything Bill Walsh was not about tradition. He was about innovation and outthinking opponents. If he was about tradition, Montana Craig and Lott would have ended their careers here.

Norv uses alot of WCO in his own system.

like what?

Quote:
Still, in a poll of coaches and personnel directors, Holmgren was frequently cited as one of the guys who adheres most closely to the West Coast primer as authored by Walsh and who best understands its principles. Norv Turner, Zampese, Brian Billick and Mike Martz were also named quite often.

http://assets.espn.go.com/nfl/s/westcoast/history.html

Originally posted by ninertico:
I liked what Steve said about identity. Our identity was WCO. Heck it still is, but we aren't running it.

Here are my points in a nutshell:
1. Identity
2. Valuable coaching resources specifically film
3. Brings back the essence that made us great for fans and the push for the Stadium.
4. Brings back the greats for advice and involvement.
5. We need focus on offense now and this is a great place to start.

Remember that Billick assisted our late great Bill Walsh, RIP, in writing his famous book. I remember Billick talking about that in the Rams game I believe. I wondered to myself "Would he be a good fit?" I believe he would be he has had success as an OC in Minny and had a SB with Baltimore.

If anyone beside Gruden and Holmey who could use this treasure of WCO film to teach the players correctly how to run it, would be Billick. If I remember too, he did the Texans game last year and was impressed with how Alex went to the Spread successfully. He also mentioned that same thing in his last two games covering the Niners in that the Spread would be good to use with this cast of talent on offense.

He seemed like he knows what he's doing offensively already for us just as an analyst. Would he work with any GM including Baalke? I think so.

The WCO may come back and I, for one, surely would have open arms.

he could be in the mix................good points.......

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's all about the play caller during the game and how he practices the players during the week.

It's not about the WCO anymore. Watch the 92 cowboys in the second half versus us, Aikman was spreading the ball all over the field and Norv had them looking more balanced than us.

Get the right HC and an OC who knows how to set up the defense, use each and every play with a purpose even if the play doesn't bet gains and make not only halftime adjustments but in drive adjustments along with creating a new play on the fly.

You get this type of OC and it won't matter what offense we run. I don't think what Steve Yug said solves anything Bill Walsh was not about tradition. He was about innovation and outthinking opponents. If he was about tradition, Montana Craig and Lott would have ended their careers here.

Norv uses alot of WCO in his own system.

like what?

Quote:
Still, in a poll of coaches and personnel directors, Holmgren was frequently cited as one of the guys who adheres most closely to the West Coast primer as authored by Walsh and who best understands its principles. Norv Turner, Zampese, Brian Billick and Mike Martz were also named quite often.

http://assets.espn.go.com/nfl/s/westcoast/history.html

Two OC coordinators from the Cowboys Super Bowl era

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's all about the play caller during the game and how he practices the players during the week.

It's not about the WCO anymore. Watch the 92 cowboys in the second half versus us, Aikman was spreading the ball all over the field and Norv had them looking more balanced than us.

Get the right HC and an OC who knows how to set up the defense, use each and every play with a purpose even if the play doesn't bet gains and make not only halftime adjustments but in drive adjustments along with creating a new play on the fly.

You get this type of OC and it won't matter what offense we run. I don't think what Steve Yug said solves anything Bill Walsh was not about tradition. He was about innovation and outthinking opponents. If he was about tradition, Montana Craig and Lott would have ended their careers here.

Norv uses alot of WCO in his own system.

like what?

Quote:
Still, in a poll of coaches and personnel directors, Holmgren was frequently cited as one of the guys who adheres most closely to the West Coast primer as authored by Walsh and who best understands its principles. Norv Turner, Zampese, Brian Billick and Mike Martz were also named quite often.

http://assets.espn.go.com/nfl/s/westcoast/history.html

so? every team in the leagues uses at least some WCO: its a passing league now, and the WCO is all about using the pass instead of the run to establish the offense. All those guys' offenses look somewhat different from each others, and would all look different from Walsh's WCO.

Anyway, I'm not saying that Norv doesn't run the WCO or follow its principles or whatever. I'm just incredibly leery of the "Bring back the WCO" drumbeat and very skeptical of people who attribute the WCO to every successful offense in the league. Every offense utilizes some "aspects" of the WCO, I'm sure, because they've had 20 something years to copy and refine it and meld it to other successful philosophies. "WCO" is a meaningless term today, IMO.

Originally posted by jimrat201:

Originally posted by 190836:
Yorks will never bring the WCO the way we think of WCO back. That was Eddie D's era and they don't like it. Why do you think they keep hiring people that have absolutely zero connection to Walsh's tree. They just don't want it. SAD

You related to faker and San Diego

Cousins.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's all about the play caller during the game and how he practices the players during the week.

It's not about the WCO anymore. Watch the 92 cowboys in the second half versus us, Aikman was spreading the ball all over the field and Norv had them looking more balanced than us.

Get the right HC and an OC who knows how to set up the defense, use each and every play with a purpose even if the play doesn't bet gains and make not only halftime adjustments but in drive adjustments along with creating a new play on the fly.

You get this type of OC and it won't matter what offense we run. I don't think what Steve Yug said solves anything Bill Walsh was not about tradition. He was about innovation and outthinking opponents. If he was about tradition, Montana Craig and Lott would have ended their careers here.

Norv uses alot of WCO in his own system.

like what?

Quote:
Still, in a poll of coaches and personnel directors, Holmgren was frequently cited as one of the guys who adheres most closely to the West Coast primer as authored by Walsh and who best understands its principles. Norv Turner, Zampese, Brian Billick and Mike Martz were also named quite often.

http://assets.espn.go.com/nfl/s/westcoast/history.html

so? every team in the leagues uses at least some WCO: its a passing league now, and the WCO is all about using the pass instead of the run to establish the offense. All those guys' offenses look somewhat different from each others, and would all look different from Walsh's WCO.

Anyway, I'm not saying that Norv doesn't run the WCO or follow its principles or whatever. I'm just incredibly leery of the "Bring back the WCO" drumbeat and very skeptical of people who attribute the WCO to every successful offense in the league. Every offense utilizes some "aspects" of the WCO, I'm sure, because they've had 20 something years to copy and refine it and meld it to other successful philosophies. "WCO" is a meaningless term today, IMO.

You asked the question.. Now you answered it... Why ask me the question, if you didn't want an answer.

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by jimrat201:

Originally posted by 190836:
Yorks will never bring the WCO the way we think of WCO back. That was Eddie D's era and they don't like it. Why do you think they keep hiring people that have absolutely zero connection to Walsh's tree. They just don't want it. SAD

You related to faker and San Diego

Cousins.

Thought so :•)