Does Making the Playoffs Hurt Our Chances of Getting a Top Notch Coach ???

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Unless we make the NFC Championship, I still think Sing is gone.

-And if/when Sing is gone, 4-star coaches will be pining to come to us cause we have playoff talent/nucleus of good players locked up for the next 3-4 years.

Seriously, for all the things that are wrong with this team it's still pretty obvious that we're a good team with one of the most ignorant/stubborn/s**tty coaches in the NFL. You get a coach that can make use of the talent (a four-star offensive coach), he can get us to the NFC Championship by next season.

Sing is gone regardless if we make the Superbowl. Im sure Jed is aware that we'll be taking the back door in.......and the only way we make it deep in the playoffs is by the opposition collapsing rather than us winning.

Look at how the Niners ownership and front office reacted to a few late season wins over s**t teams last yr. You would have thought the Niners finished the season with blowout wins over the Patriots and Steelers. One of the Niners PR guys infamously said "we can sell 8-8".


So if the Niners reach the playoffs this season based NOT on the team improving but because our division is the worst the nfl has seen in years...I expect Jed and the rest of the fools running this organization to ignore the sorry state of the division and to react as though Sing has finally built the Niners into a playoff contender. Most fans and anyone with common sense will know that's garbage but were talking about the Yorks.

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Playoffs or not will have no bearing on that. Having the Yorks will not ony hurt our chances it will kill our chances of getting a top notch coach.

I disagree. I think Jed is a fan first, then an owner. I dont think money will be an issue. My problem is TIME.........if we make the playoffs, we're 1 week behind every other team looking for a head coach. Does that in effect cost us ?

Maybe. There is not much we can do about it. This team is good at winning meaningless games at the end of year and screwing up their draft position and ability to land a good coach. It's not the first time they did that.

Your faith in Jed is misplaced. We have a discount coach with no previous experience and we have no GM. Did I mention no GM. Does this seem like a team that doesn't need a strong GM? Their current front office is discount all the way.

Singletary was the "hot" hire. Everyone was all for him, because he brought accountability to the table, something that Nolan failed at miserably. I wont fault Jed on that one.

Im not a fan of the Yorks, however I have seen their willingness to open the pocketbook and get whoever will help this team win. When Nolan first arrived on the scenes, John York basically handed him a blank check and asked him to bring whoever he felt was needed to get this team right. We got McCloughan who was considered a top tier guy at the time. Then Nolan went out and got top ranked FAs like Clements and Lewis. Sure, everything came tumbling down........but the Yorks arent as "conservative" as everyone would like them to seem. Sure, Id love to have a Mark Cuban or Jerry Jones on the sidelines as well........but thats just not the case in reality.

I think Jed will go out and get the right guy.........hopefully, we dont miss out on the Jon Gruden sweepstakes..........

You overestimate the Yorks. Again: Denise's miserly ways, an impending lockout, and the fact that Sing is in a five-year contract mean that we'll be stuck with him for another year.

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Look at how the Niners ownership and front office reacted to a few late season wins over s**t teams last yr. You would have thought the Niners finished the season with blowout wins over the Patriots and Steelers. One of the Niners PR guys infamously said "we can sell 8-8".


So if the Niners reach the playoffs this season based NOT on the team improving but because our division is the worst the nfl has seen in years...I expect Jed and the rest of the fools running this organization to ignore the sorry state of the division and to react as though Sing has finally built the Niners into a playoff contender. Most fans and anyone with common sense will know that's garbage but were talking about the Yorks.

excatly!

I disagree with the notion that making the playoffs hurts our chances at getting a decent head coach. If anything, I think it will help us land one of the top-tier coaches(assuming our owners open up their pocketbooks) because it will just make the job molding the team into a winner just a little easier. We have a few studs already in place, we just need another coach to come in and complete the puzzle.

Originally posted by area49:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Playoffs or not will have no bearing on that. Having the Yorks will not ony hurt our chances it will kill our chances of getting a top notch coach.

I disagree. I think Jed is a fan first, then an owner. I dont think money will be an issue. My problem is TIME.........if we make the playoffs, we're 1 week behind every other team looking for a head coach. Does that in effect cost us ?

Maybe. There is not much we can do about it. This team is good at winning meaningless games at the end of year and screwing up their draft position and ability to land a good coach. It's not the first time they did that.

Your faith in Jed is misplaced. We have a discount coach with no previous experience and we have no GM. Did I mention no GM. Does this seem like a team that doesn't need a strong GM? Their current front office is discount all the way.

Singletary was the "hot" hire. Everyone was all for him, because he brought accountability to the table, something that Nolan failed at miserably. I wont fault Jed on that one.

Im not a fan of the Yorks, however I have seen their willingness to open the pocketbook and get whoever will help this team win. When Nolan first arrived on the scenes, John York basically handed him a blank check and asked him to bring whoever he felt was needed to get this team right. We got McCloughan who was considered a top tier guy at the time. Then Nolan went out and got top ranked FAs like Clements and Lewis. Sure, everything came tumbling down........but the Yorks arent as "conservative" as everyone would like them to seem. Sure, Id love to have a Mark Cuban or Jerry Jones on the sidelines as well........but thats just not the case in reality.

I think Jed will go out and get the right guy.........hopefully, we dont miss out on the Jon Gruden sweepstakes..........

You overestimate the Yorks. Again: Denise's miserly ways, an impending lockout, and the fact that Sing is in a five-year contract mean that we'll be stuck with him for another year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-directsnap101210

There were grumblings early in the season by the Yorks that Sing would be fired by season's end. Nothing will prevent that from happening. I would be concerned if John or Denise, two people who have no idea about football, were still running the team. Jed, on the other hand, is closer to his uncle and has been known to pick his brains. Just last week EddieD went on a radio broadcast and s**t all over the Niners. You dont think Jed will go to uncle Eddie asking for advice once the season is over ?

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Playoffs or not will have no bearing on that. Having the Yorks will not ony hurt our chances it will kill our chances of getting a top notch coach.

I disagree. I think Jed is a fan first, then an owner. I dont think money will be an issue. My problem is TIME.........if we make the playoffs, we're 1 week behind every other team looking for a head coach. Does that in effect cost us ?

Maybe. There is not much we can do about it. This team is good at winning meaningless games at the end of year and screwing up their draft position and ability to land a good coach. It's not the first time they did that.

Your faith in Jed is misplaced. We have a discount coach with no previous experience and we have no GM. Did I mention no GM. Does this seem like a team that doesn't need a strong GM? Their current front office is discount all the way.

Singletary was the "hot" hire. Everyone was all for him, because he brought accountability to the table, something that Nolan failed at miserably. I wont fault Jed on that one.

Im not a fan of the Yorks, however I have seen their willingness to open the pocketbook and get whoever will help this team win. When Nolan first arrived on the scenes, John York basically handed him a blank check and asked him to bring whoever he felt was needed to get this team right. We got McCloughan who was considered a top tier guy at the time. Then Nolan went out and got top ranked FAs like Clements and Lewis. Sure, everything came tumbling down........but the Yorks arent as "conservative" as everyone would like them to seem. Sure, Id love to have a Mark Cuban or Jerry Jones on the sidelines as well........but thats just not the case in reality.

I think Jed will go out and get the right guy.........hopefully, we dont miss out on the Jon Gruden sweepstakes..........

I was not in the everybody that was for Dingletary. I knew he would suck...

Yorks are cheap in the front office. Not as much anymore with players. But we have a discount coach and no GM. That's cheap by any standard. The only reason they do it is because it costs money to get a GM.

some things to consider

1st-- still have 2 more we're not in yet.

2nd--wasn't it mentioned that sing would have to win at least 2 playoff games
inorder to consider this season a success so, that's a 4 game win streak with this team.

3rd--we don't really know which top notch coaches/if any are interested in this position or any other position league wide

4th--IFjed gets it right he already has a GM in mind and that person (not praugue sp) already has a solid relationship with the coaches who are on the radar.

5th--even though HC/QB combo and their combinations have doomed this team on the field for far to long this team still has talent that can be molded because as a whole the team isn't old.

or is it all wishful thinking on my part and we're screwed

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by area49:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Playoffs or not will have no bearing on that. Having the Yorks will not ony hurt our chances it will kill our chances of getting a top notch coach.

I disagree. I think Jed is a fan first, then an owner. I dont think money will be an issue. My problem is TIME.........if we make the playoffs, we're 1 week behind every other team looking for a head coach. Does that in effect cost us ?

Maybe. There is not much we can do about it. This team is good at winning meaningless games at the end of year and screwing up their draft position and ability to land a good coach. It's not the first time they did that.

Your faith in Jed is misplaced. We have a discount coach with no previous experience and we have no GM. Did I mention no GM. Does this seem like a team that doesn't need a strong GM? Their current front office is discount all the way.

Singletary was the "hot" hire. Everyone was all for him, because he brought accountability to the table, something that Nolan failed at miserably. I wont fault Jed on that one.

Im not a fan of the Yorks, however I have seen their willingness to open the pocketbook and get whoever will help this team win. When Nolan first arrived on the scenes, John York basically handed him a blank check and asked him to bring whoever he felt was needed to get this team right. We got McCloughan who was considered a top tier guy at the time. Then Nolan went out and got top ranked FAs like Clements and Lewis. Sure, everything came tumbling down........but the Yorks arent as "conservative" as everyone would like them to seem. Sure, Id love to have a Mark Cuban or Jerry Jones on the sidelines as well........but thats just not the case in reality.

I think Jed will go out and get the right guy.........hopefully, we dont miss out on the Jon Gruden sweepstakes..........

You overestimate the Yorks. Again: Denise's miserly ways, an impending lockout, and the fact that Sing is in a five-year contract mean that we'll be stuck with him for another year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-directsnap101210

There were grumblings early in the season by the Yorks that Sing would be fired by season's end. Nothing will prevent that from happening. I would be concerned if John or Denise, two people who have no idea about football, were still running the team. Jed, on the other hand, is closer to his uncle and has been known to pick his brains. Just last week EddieD went on a radio broadcast and s**t all over the Niners. You dont think Jed will go to uncle Eddie asking for advice once the season is over ?

To answer your question;
Coach, yes we are screwed if we make the playoffs.
Draft, we are destroyed as being a playoff team your playoff record places you at the bottom of the playoff teams in sequence, thus we pick somewhere around 20 to 22. Obviously not where we need to be to draft an impact player! Unless you guys really think we will win a playoff game? Then it would be even lower!

Originally posted by area49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Playoffs or not will have no bearing on that. Having the Yorks will not ony hurt our chances it will kill our chances of getting a top notch coach.

This.

Gah. If only we had Anschutz or Roski running this team.

I knew your trolling self would be around here somewhere

think about this the 9ers will be the best team looking for a new coach IMO. We have some good young players in Willis/Gore/VD/Crabs/Staley/Iupati/Dixon/Walker/Morgan/Baas and hopefully we can keep Goldston/Franklin along with some good vets Spikes/BW/J.Smith/Clements

I think anyone watching the 9ers can see we have a few glaring needs QB/DB/HC
we always look unprepared and we NEVER adjust, EVER. Why wouldn't a coach like Gruden/Harbaugh/Bellick want to come here and right the ship?

Originally posted by ZRF80:
So STL loses to KC. Seattle will likely lose to Atlanta today. San Fran goes to STL next week for the division. As bad as this sounds, the Niners have a decent chance of making the postseason.

As much as I want this awful season to be over with, deep down inside I (like you) am aching for a postseason appearance. Just to have a chance to root for something besides draft picks gives me a fuzzy feeling inside.

With that said, there are going to be a handful of teams that are gonna go head coach shopping after the season is over. Does our making the playoffs diminish our chances of getting one of the top guys this offseason eg Jon Gruden ? You never know how the playoffs will pan out, but even a week behind the rest of the cellar dwellars can cost us big........

So how much can that one week cost us in terms of nabbing the top coach ? Or worse, lets say we go on a miracle run and make the divisonals...

Are we f**ked ?

Making the playoffs gives Sing one more season. Finishing 7-4 after the 0-5 start ain't bad...really 8-3 if you consider the Carolina loss 100% on the shoulders of David Carr's awful, awful, performance.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
So STL loses to KC. Seattle will likely lose to Atlanta today. San Fran goes to STL next week for the division. As bad as this sounds, the Niners have a decent chance of making the postseason.

As much as I want this awful season to be over with, deep down inside I (like you) am aching for a postseason appearance. Just to have a chance to root for something besides draft picks gives me a fuzzy feeling inside.

With that said, there are going to be a handful of teams that are gonna go head coach shopping after the season is over. Does our making the playoffs diminish our chances of getting one of the top guys this offseason eg Jon Gruden ? You never know how the playoffs will pan out, but even a week behind the rest of the cellar dwellars can cost us big........

So how much can that one week cost us in terms of nabbing the top coach ? Or worse, lets say we go on a miracle run and make the divisonals...

Are we f**ked ?

Making the playoffs gives Sing one more season. Finishing 7-4 after the 0-5 start ain't bad...really 8-3 if you consider the Carolina loss 100% on the shoulders of David Carr's awful, awful, performance.

Yup. That's the rationalization the Yorks will use.

just want to congrats to dingle and bust for a year 3 and year 7...

I dont think so. It might put a little more pressure on the new coach, but I doubt it will "hurt" Jed's chances of landing a big name coach