Why we are a .500 team at best (Rams Game)

We are not a .500 team with Mike Singletary as head coach.

However, there is a lot of talent on this team, and we could make the playoffs with a 9-7 or better record in 2011 if we get the right guy to take over. The issue is not player personnel at this point, it is all about the system and direction coming from the guy holding the whistle.

P.S. While many 49ers fans called this win over the Rams a great triumph, it shows how far our standards how fallen the past few years. The Rams are winless on the road in 2010, and we celebrate beating them.....in overtime.

Just not a good team.

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Nov 18, 2010 at 10:33:09 ]

Originally posted by susweel:
This team is built and coached to keep games close and try to win them at the end. Its not built to destroy teams like great teams should be. This is a mere continuation of the Mike Nolan era and needs to be completely destroyed.

Absolutely! I remember Jimmy Johnson talking about how we are built to win one way and one way only. In addition, I highlighted a quote from Jimmy Raye in the off-season re: this EXACT philosophy to a T.

You can see this philosophy resonate throughout the league with the various coaches we had move on to HC jobs and installing their philosophies with their new teams, the coaches who turned us down, with Nolan as a DC vs. a HC, with players such as Shaun Hill (noodle arm) under Martz, then under Raye and then over to Detroit, now with Mike Johnson doing everything he can to turn this team loose but still under Singletary and Manusky and our players regressing, etc.

Bill Walsh was mentioned as a great example of a man who had a proper philosophy, identified the players who matched that philosophy, an ability to teach and game plan based on identifying and exploiting individual mathups and ensuring the details were practiced to perfection prior to games. He created a vision, a clear-cut direction, every player knew their role and he created an environment which preached "acountability." This was supported by the FO who preached the highest of standards and class. It was the "model organization."

When I look at our organization starting with the FO down to it's players TODAY, I don't see much potential in changing the culture now into the aforementioned. Do you? And if so, what pieces are we missing, who do we bring in and what would be your plan to cash in on the talent level we currently have on this team? Who out there can change to a proper philosophy and instill it?

If you forced a gun to my head, Jimmy Johnson would be my #1 choice today to coach this team. He brings personal accountability, discipline, is a great psychologist for a young growing team without leadership, we have the big o-line and TE's he loves, the RB and QB who can throw beyond 20 yards and is mobile and most importantly, he brings a philosophy that you GO FOR IT. You MAKE plays. I think he'd also have a profound effect on defense and ST's as well. He's just as hard on his players as he is on his coaches. If you don't do your job, you're gone. Period!

[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 18, 2010 at 11:19:40 ]

Jersey, you bring up a good point. So, I ask: have we drafted the type of players who will take ownership of their on-field performance, where the players demand winning play from all their teammates?
Do we get that from Vernon? Or Crabtree? As I recall, they are great players who, so far, can be counted on to make the key error at the wrong time.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:
This team is built and coached to keep games close and try to win them at the end. Its not built to destroy teams like great teams should be. This is a mere continuation of the Mike Nolan era and needs to be completely destroyed.

Absolutely! I remember Jimmy Johnson talking about how we are built to win one way and one way only. In addition, I highlighted a quote from Jimmy Raye in the off-season re: this EXACT philosophy to a T.

You can see this philosophy resonate throughout the league with the various coaches we had move on to HC jobs and installing their philosophies with their new teams, the coaches who turned us down, with Nolan as a DC vs. a HC, with players such as Shaun Hill (noodle arm) under Martz, then under Raye and then over to Detroit, now with Mike Johnson doing everything he can to turn this team loose but still under Singletary and Manusky and our players regressing, etc.

Bill Walsh was mentioned as a great example of a man who had a proper philosophy, identified the players who matched that philosophy, an ability to teach and game plan based on identifying and exploiting individual mathups and ensuring the details were practiced to perfection prior to games. He created a vision, a clear-cut direction, every player knew their role and he created an environment which preached "acountability." This was supported by the FO who preached the highest of standards and class. It was the "model organization."

When I look at our organization starting with the FO down to it's players TODAY, I don't see much potential in changing the culture now into the aforementioned. Do you? And if so, what pieces are we missing, who do we bring in and what would be your plan to cash in on the talent level we currently have on this team? Who out there can change to a proper philosophy and instill the aforementioned?

If you forced a gun to my head, Jimmy Johnson would be my #1 choice today to coach this team. He brings personal accountability, discipline, is a great psychologist for a young growing team without leadership, we have the big o-line and TE's he loves, the RB and QB who can throw beyond 20 yards, can move and most importantly, he brings a philosophy that you GO FOR IT. You MAKE plays. I think he'd also havea profound effect on defense and ST's as well. He s just as hrd on his players as he is on his coaches. If you don't do your job, you're gone. Period!

Im not really sure who should be brought in but I do think it needs to start by hiring a good GM and let him pick the coach and players. Get a good young offensive mind and let them decide who stays and goes. The Yorks are trying to do this on the cheap by not have a strong GM.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
We are not a .500 team with Mike Singletary as head coach.

However, there is a lot of talent on this team, and we could make the playoffs with a 9-7 or better record in 2011 if we get the right guy to take over. The issue is not player personnel at this point, it is all about the system and direction coming from the guy holding the whistle.

P.S. While many 49ers fans called this win over the Rams a great triumph, it shows how far our standards how fallen the past few years. The Rams are winless on the road in 2010, and we celebrate beating them.....in overtime.

Just not a good team.

Its a miracle that we were able to win with all the penalties and take away touchdowns. Our talent finally overcame our self inflicted wounds. I also think the refs where out of their mind last Sunday. The fact that we where able to beat a very solid Rams team under those conditions is a win for me. If we dont get some of those key bad calls and bone headed penalties we destroy them.

Originally posted by Chief:
We are not a .500 team, we are 3-6.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
We are not a .500 team with Mike Singletary as head coach.

However, there is a lot of talent on this team, and we could make the playoffs with a 9-7 or better record in 2011 if we get the right guy to take over. The issue is not player personnel at this point, it is all about the system and direction coming from the guy holding the whistle.

P.S. While many 49ers fans called this win over the Rams a great triumph, it shows how far our standards how fallen the past few years. The Rams are winless on the road in 2010, and we celebrate beating them.....in overtime.

Just not a good team.

Its a miracle that we were able to win with all the penalties and take away touchdowns. Our talent finally overcame our self inflicted wounds. I also think the refs where out of their mind last Sunday. The fact that we where able to beat a very solid Rams team under those conditions is a win for me. If we dont get some of those key bad calls and bone headed penalties we destroy them.

Totally agree! But let me add that after 8 games we are commiting too many penalities. Just on that alone Singletary must go!!
Also IMO if Alex is in at QB we surely lose because he would not be able to overcome all the adversities in that game. So if he doesn't get injured in Carolina....well we know the rest.

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
We are not a .500 team with Mike Singletary as head coach.

However, there is a lot of talent on this team, and we could make the playoffs with a 9-7 or better record in 2011 if we get the right guy to take over. The issue is not player personnel at this point, it is all about the system and direction coming from the guy holding the whistle.

P.S. While many 49ers fans called this win over the Rams a great triumph, it shows how far our standards how fallen the past few years. The Rams are winless on the road in 2010, and we celebrate beating them.....in overtime.

Just not a good team.

Its a miracle that we were able to win with all the penalties and take away touchdowns. Our talent finally overcame our self inflicted wounds. I also think the refs where out of their mind last Sunday. The fact that we where able to beat a very solid Rams team under those conditions is a win for me. If we dont get some of those key bad calls and bone headed penalties we destroy them.

Totally agree! But let me add that after 8 games we are commiting too many penalities. Just on that alone Singletary must go!!
Also IMO if Alex is in at QB we surely lose because he would not be able to overcome all the adversities in that game. So if he doesn't get injured in Carolina....well we know the rest.

we would be in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Nov 18, 2010 at 12:32:00 ]

Watching the GB game and again, just AMAZING how stupid this team is. Offsides by the NT, great return negated for another penalty, jumping offsides by the defense, false starts on offense, Manusky dialing up a blitz but then having his CB's play 10 yards off (Brown always on Driver), OC play calling, 3 and outs, 1st and goal at the 3 (sack), missed blocking assignments, Brooks gets a sack and then is instantly sub'd out (brilliant), etc.

We know they are a great screening team but we can't stop them (or seem prepared for them); GB knows our QB is short and throws many quick outs so their linemen rush up field with their hands in the air (good coaching).

There is still 5 minutes left in the first half!

PS: Reed is our MVP of the game. LMAO

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 5, 2010 at 12:15:14 ]

Sadly, here we go again. Wasted TO early on (can't get play in again), missed assignments, Justin Smith PF-E, Nate Clements (playing from the stands he's so far off and the TD), poor calls after TO, defense giving up 90 yard drives, blown coverage by Haralson, Lawson's MO of "almost" on ST, A. Brooks dropped INT, MORON Norris, etc. on and on and on. Why are we NOT a .500 team? This is just a dumb team from top to bottom. Talented but dumb and they WILL find a way to lose. You can bank on that almost every time...

PS: At this rate, the offense should get about 3 offensive drives for the whole game. Geesh!

Originally posted by CrankDatCrabtree:

Originally posted by Ajanke:
Sounds like a coaching problem to me.

yeah 3x

That's not a coaching issue, Mike Singletary and every other coach SURELY teaches their team not to get personal fouls and make bad reads. Sad to say but we don't have a lot of high IQ players.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:
This team is built and coached to keep games close and try to win them at the end. Its not built to destroy teams like great teams should be. This is a mere continuation of the Mike Nolan era and needs to be completely destroyed.

Absolutely! I remember Jimmy Johnson talking about how we are built to win one way and one way only. In addition, I highlighted a quote from Jimmy Raye in the off-season re: this EXACT philosophy to a T.

You can see this philosophy resonate throughout the league with the various coaches we had move on to HC jobs and installing their philosophies with their new teams, the coaches who turned us down, with Nolan as a DC vs. a HC, with players such as Shaun Hill (noodle arm) under Martz, then under Raye and then over to Detroit, now with Mike Johnson doing everything he can to turn this team loose but still under Singletary and Manusky and our players regressing, etc.

Bill Walsh was mentioned as a great example of a man who had a proper philosophy, identified the players who matched that philosophy, an ability to teach and game plan based on identifying and exploiting individual mathups and ensuring the details were practiced to perfection prior to games. He created a vision, a clear-cut direction, every player knew their role and he created an environment which preached "acountability." This was supported by the FO who preached the highest of standards and class. It was the "model organization."

When I look at our organization starting with the FO down to it's players TODAY, I don't see much potential in changing the culture now into the aforementioned. Do you? And if so, what pieces are we missing, who do we bring in and what would be your plan to cash in on the talent level we currently have on this team? Who out there can change to a proper philosophy and instill it?

If you forced a gun to my head, Jimmy Johnson would be my #1 choice today to coach this team. He brings personal accountability, discipline, is a great psychologist for a young growing team without leadership, we have the big o-line and TE's he loves, the RB and QB who can throw beyond 20 yards and is mobile and most importantly, he brings a philosophy that you GO FOR IT. You MAKE plays. I think he'd also have a profound effect on defense and ST's as well. He's just as hard on his players as he is on his coaches. If you don't do your job, you're gone. Period!

As I am Baylor Alum I want to see sing succeed, but I also feel a coach like Jimmy is EXACTLY when we need.

Originally posted by kidash:

Originally posted by CrankDatCrabtree:

Originally posted by Ajanke:
Sounds like a coaching problem to me.

yeah 3x

yeah, this...

- 98

We have as much talent as some of the best teams in the league. True, we have some holes... the secondary needs some work, we have a young o-line, and our QB situation is unstable.

But in a lot of our close games this season, they were all decided by a few PLAYS where our team made a mistake.

I feel those plays dont' happen under a Belichick or a Ryan. One of the things Singletary preaches is playing simple, disciplined football. Overall, that formula WOULD work... but he's failed to get his team to play with discipline.

5 minutes into the Rams game and this is by far the dumbest team I have ever seen!