Holy Cow, Troy Smith starts in London!

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
I would love to see the face of some of the zoners when/if Smith throws an INT.

Not bashing the decision to start Troy, but it reeks of utter desperation.

Yeah, well, ahem, we are 1-6. I would say that's fairly desperate, wouldn't you agree?

I'm all for AOTA (Anyone Other Than Alex)

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by Allx9er:
at this point it cant get worse......

oh yes, yes it could

Nope, nope. Don't think it can get much worse. Another loss is simply like the last, shooting ourselves in the foot and we get the same reactions.

Fire Sing!
Fire Yorks!
Get rid of Alex!!

oh wait, he's not playing...

But I dont care he causes bad luck!!! Get'em outta here!

is what we will hear if we lose in London.

If we win....


ALL HAIL TROY SMITH

Then he gets 5 or 6 years, then if he doesn't do it, we resort to Nate Davis.

Then we go round and round and round

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
I would love to see the face of some of the zoners when/if Smith throws an INT.

Not bashing the decision to start Troy, but it reeks of utter desperation.

Hey you know what, I want good things out of him too, but I think its safe to say that we can expect a pick or two. Simply because its bound to happen, but again, I honestly do think he will bring something good to the table in London.

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Im all for Troy Smith, but this has been a problem with Sing ever since he became head coach. He seems to make a decision about players regardless of how they've performed.

Prime example: how he handled Shaun Hill last season. The guy had a winning record......never once did we consider altering the playcalling, etc. Sing decided to pull the plug prematurely. Chilo Rachal, who has performed miserably, still gets the majority of plays because Sing has already made his decision to keep him in there. And now David Carr........who we can all agree played like s**t last week........but can anyone argue that the guy barely got achance to perform ?

This is why Sing will not be retained for next season.

I agree Singletary will not be back next season, however, I think you are being a bit harsh on him in saying he doesn't look at how they perform. He sees them in practice all the time in addition to the games we see. Consequently, he does see a lot of performance that leads him to make a decision. Unfortunately his lack of experience is his greatest negative. He was totally unprepared to be a HC in this league.

I am fine with Troy starting but I also agree Carr did not have much of a chance to play. He is a better QB than he showed last week but it is hard to come in like that when you have not had any first team snaps.

But looking back now, dont you think that pulling Hill from the starting spot was a bit premature. Sure, everyone knew that he wasnt the guy, and that his role for the team was to keep the position warm until the next good QB came along.

Yes and no. It was obvious by then that Hill didn't have the arm to keep the safeties honest. They were loading the box and ignoring any threat of a deep ball...and we all remember how that was working out.

So "yes" it was premature because a good OC could have modified the passing scheme to get the safeties a little deeper, but "no" it wasn't premature because it was obvious Hill had physical limitations.

OTOH, the WRs the team had at that time were all re-treads or rookies who had no idea how to play in the league.

I often think a lot of these discussions centered around a lot of homerism in thinking this team had/has more talent at WR than it did.

QBs get more credit and take more blame for how things go than anything else, usually disproportionately so because they are the most visible player. IMO,
the pecking order puts the coach first, followed by the QB and then closely followed by the OL and WR. As an example I would apportion it like this:

Coaching = 35%, including OC.

QB = 30%

OL = 20%

WR = 15%

All of these percentages influence another of course, but this is where I see the starting points.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Im all for Troy Smith, but this has been a problem with Sing ever since he became head coach. He seems to make a decision about players regardless of how they've performed.

Prime example: how he handled Shaun Hill last season. The guy had a winning record......never once did we consider altering the playcalling, etc. Sing decided to pull the plug prematurely. Chilo Rachal, who has performed miserably, still gets the majority of plays because Sing has already made his decision to keep him in there. And now David Carr........who we can all agree played like s**t last week........but can anyone argue that the guy barely got achance to perform ?

This is why Sing will not be retained for next season.

I agree Singletary will not be back next season, however, I think you are being a bit harsh on him in saying he doesn't look at how they perform. He sees them in practice all the time in addition to the games we see. Consequently, he does see a lot of performance that leads him to make a decision. Unfortunately his lack of experience is his greatest negative. He was totally unprepared to be a HC in this league.

I am fine with Troy starting but I also agree Carr did not have much of a chance to play. He is a better QB than he showed last week but it is hard to come in like that when you have not had any first team snaps.

But looking back now, dont you think that pulling Hill from the starting spot was a bit premature. Sure, everyone knew that he wasnt the guy, and that his role for the team was to keep the position warm until the next good QB came along.

Yes and no. It was obvious by then that Hill didn't have the arm to keep the safeties honest. They were loading the box and ignoring any threat of a deep ball...and we all remember how that was working out.

So "yes" it was premature because a good OC could have modified the passing scheme to get the safeties a little deeper, but "no" it wasn't premature because it was obvious Hill had physical limitations.

OTOH, the WRs the team had at that time were all re-treads or rookies who had no idea how to play in the league.

I often think a lot of these discussions centered around a lot of homerism in thinking this team had/has more talent at WR than it did.

QBs get more credit and take more blame for how things go than anything else, usually disproportionately so because they are the most visible player. IMO,
the pecking order puts the coach first, followed by the QB and then closely followed by the OL and WR. As an example I would apportion it like this:

Coaching = 35%, including OC.

QB = 30%

OL = 20%

WR = 15%

All of these percentages influence another of course, but this is where I see the starting points.

I'd make it

Coaching 35%

Oline 30% _only because if the O-line is established, they should be able to protect whomever we have under center at QB

QB 20%

WR 15%

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Im all for Troy Smith, but this has been a problem with Sing ever since he became head coach. He seems to make a decision about players regardless of how they've performed.

Prime example: how he handled Shaun Hill last season. The guy had a winning record......never once did we consider altering the playcalling, etc. Sing decided to pull the plug prematurely. Chilo Rachal, who has performed miserably, still gets the majority of plays because Sing has already made his decision to keep him in there. And now David Carr........who we can all agree played like s**t last week........but can anyone argue that the guy barely got achance to perform ?

This is why Sing will not be retained for next season.

I agree Singletary will not be back next season, however, I think you are being a bit harsh on him in saying he doesn't look at how they perform. He sees them in practice all the time in addition to the games we see. Consequently, he does see a lot of performance that leads him to make a decision. Unfortunately his lack of experience is his greatest negative. He was totally unprepared to be a HC in this league.

I am fine with Troy starting but I also agree Carr did not have much of a chance to play. He is a better QB than he showed last week but it is hard to come in like that when you have not had any first team snaps.

But looking back now, dont you think that pulling Hill from the starting spot was a bit premature. Sure, everyone knew that he wasnt the guy, and that his role for the team was to keep the position warm until the next good QB came along.

Yes and no. It was obvious by then that Hill didn't have the arm to keep the safeties honest. They were loading the box and ignoring any threat of a deep ball...and we all remember how that was working out.

So "yes" it was premature because a good OC could have modified the passing scheme to get the safeties a little deeper, but "no" it wasn't premature because it was obvious Hill had physical limitations.

OTOH, the WRs the team had at that time were all re-treads or rookies who had no idea how to play in the league.

I often think a lot of these discussions centered around a lot of homerism in thinking this team had/has more talent at WR than it did.

QBs get more credit and take more blame for how things go than anything else, usually disproportionately so because they are the most visible player. IMO,
the pecking order puts the coach first, followed by the QB and then closely followed by the OL and WR. As an example I would apportion it like this:

Coaching = 35%, including OC.

QB = 30%

OL = 20%

WR = 15%

All of these percentages influence another of course, but this is where I see the starting points.

I'd make it

Coaching 35%

Oline 30% _only because if the O-line is established, they should be able to protect whomever we have under center at QB

QB 20%

WR 15%

Fair comment but the QB job is a lot more complex hence I attach a hire level of responsibility there. As I said, they are interelated.

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Im all for Troy Smith, but this has been a problem with Sing ever since he became head coach. He seems to make a decision about players regardless of how they've performed.

Prime example: how he handled Shaun Hill last season. The guy had a winning record......never once did we consider altering the playcalling, etc. Sing decided to pull the plug prematurely. Chilo Rachal, who has performed miserably, still gets the majority of plays because Sing has already made his decision to keep him in there. And now David Carr........who we can all agree played like s**t last week........but can anyone argue that the guy barely got achance to perform ?

This is why Sing will not be retained for next season.

I agree with everything except the david carr remark. Alex smith has been on the hot seat for weeks, if your david carr the you should have been chompin at the bit to get in there,thus having yourself prepared to do so, Carr wasnt ready and it looked like he didnt know the playbook very well considering how many times we ran the ball in a row. Troy smith might at least be able to improvise if and when the pocket breaks down.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
I would love to see the face of some of the zoners when/if Smith throws an INT.

Not bashing the decision to start Troy, but it reeks of utter desperation.

Yeah, well, ahem, we are 1-6. I would say that's fairly desperate, wouldn't you agree?

I'm all for AOTA (Anyone Other Than Alex)

AOTA huh, I like that. So what happens when Alex is healthy and we're 1-7?

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
I would love to see the face of some of the zoners when/if Smith throws an INT.

Not bashing the decision to start Troy, but it reeks of utter desperation.

specially singletarys' face

Originally posted by fly15:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
I would love to see the face of some of the zoners when/if Smith throws an INT.

Not bashing the decision to start Troy, but it reeks of utter desperation.

specially singletarys' face

and Carr's face as well.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Im all for Troy Smith, but this has been a problem with Sing ever since he became head coach. He seems to make a decision about players regardless of how they've performed.

Prime example: how he handled Shaun Hill last season. The guy had a winning record......never once did we consider altering the playcalling, etc. Sing decided to pull the plug prematurely. Chilo Rachal, who has performed miserably, still gets the majority of plays because Sing has already made his decision to keep him in there. And now David Carr........who we can all agree played like s**t last week........but can anyone argue that the guy barely got achance to perform ?

This is why Sing will not be retained for next season.

I agree Singletary will not be back next season, however, I think you are being a bit harsh on him in saying he doesn't look at how they perform. He sees them in practice all the time in addition to the games we see. Consequently, he does see a lot of performance that leads him to make a decision. Unfortunately his lack of experience is his greatest negative. He was totally unprepared to be a HC in this league.

I am fine with Troy starting but I also agree Carr did not have much of a chance to play. He is a better QB than he showed last week but it is hard to come in like that when you have not had any first team snaps.

I agree, Singletary lacks the experience needed. I also agree with your Carr comment. It is so funny that our fans judge some players so quickly. Before the last game, Carr hadn't started a NFL game in 3 seasons. He only had 13 pass attempts that game, and our fans say that he is one of the worst quarterbacks. What surprises me most is some of these same people are fans of Alex Smith. Watch game film of Carr when he was at Houston and compare that with Alex Smith's. Look at the career stats. Carr, clearly, is the better QB, although it is not by much. If you say Carr sucks, then you're saying Alex Smith is terrible.

I'm glad Troy Smith is starting because I want to see how he uses his athleticism and his rocket arm. I'm not expecting much, but this could possibly be the 1st game for our 1st franchise QB since Garcia (I still can't believe we dumped Garcia for Rattay). Carr and Alex are garbage = they are products of being rookie starters on terrible teams with terrible coaching.

Singletary mentioned he has an emergency 3rd QB, but that it's not Nate Davis...Who on our roster can be a QB?

Originally posted by Janitor:
Singletary mentioned he has an emergency 3rd QB, but that it's not Nate Davis...Who on our roster can be a QB?

Gotta be Sopoaga. I hear he's got a strong arm.

Originally posted by Janitor:
Singletary mentioned he has an emergency 3rd QB, but that it's not Nate Davis...Who on our roster can be a QB?

Been asking myself that!

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Janitor:
Singletary mentioned he has an emergency 3rd QB, but that it's not Nate Davis...Who on our roster can be a QB?

Been asking myself that!

Probably Crabtree. I'm pretty sure he was a QB a long time ago, if I remember correct. Either he or one of the other receivers, but I think it's Crabtree.