Offensive Line Issues

Originally posted by adembroski:

Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:

Originally posted by 9ermex:
He is going to be a beast but Alex has the worst luck any QB has had ever, everytime he gets hits as he throws, he gets intercepted, everytime he wants to go deep? someone blows the assingment, everytime one of our receivers tips a ball? it gets intercepted etc etc..

Seriously, he does have the worse luck. He mist have pissed off the football god in his past life.

Smith is the fan bases scapegoat. They want something to boo. So they boo Smith. Replace Smith, the team is still 0-5. .

Yup. One thing I've learned throughout this whole ordeal, is that 9er fans are some of the most unintelligent on the planet. They make Raider fans look like geniuses. These are the same clowns that quickly bought into the Singletary hype and bought all the "don't tell me show me" merchandise. They are pure fail.

[ Edited by binary2nd on Oct 12, 2010 at 17:19:04 ]

mattbarrows Not true. Just a glitch on their web site. @chambersbruce 49ers.com depth chart shows RT A. Davis benched. True?

MaioccoCSN No. The 49ers say that was a mistake on the website. RT @chambersbruce Is Anthony Davis benched like 49ers.com roster shows?

website is correct now. but now shows Boone is 2nd rt.

[ Edited by brucesf49 on Oct 12, 2010 at 17:27:46 ]

right now he sucks. hes trying to play with thegrown men and hes not ready yet . he needs stability next to him chilo is not that

Originally posted by adembroski:

Originally posted by ads_2006:
Davis has what played 5 games in the league

Smith has played 6 years in the league

Davis Sucks = Bench him..he;s like Kwame

Smith Sucks = Not his fault, cant bench him, he's friends with Jesus, dude can still turn it around

The trouble with this argument is that Davis has been a factor on virtually every example of Smith sucking.

In other words, what I'm saying is; if you have an improvement over Davis, that improvement will exponentially improve Smith.

Smith's best play (and you can't deny that when he's been on, he's been really on) comes when Davis is competent. Davis is Smith's roadblock right now.

To me, the bolded part means Smith hasn't sucked these 5 past years. Its because of A. Davis' play, Smith is s**tty.

I dont think anyone will deny the idea that if an offensive line plays better, so will the qb and rb. But to say A.Davis is responsible for Smith sucking is ludicrous.

You have a rookie offensive linemen playing next to a kid that really doesnt get it. Remember, chilo played well when he had Heitman and Synder on either side.

Originally posted by brucesf49:
mattbarrows Not true. Just a glitch on their web site. @chambersbruce 49ers.com depth chart shows RT A. Davis benched. True?

MaioccoCSN No. The 49ers say that was a mistake on the website. RT @chambersbruce Is Anthony Davis benched like 49ers.com roster shows?

website is correct now. but now shows Boone is 2nd rt.

guess the 'glitch' also believes that Davis should be benched.

Originally posted by pyroglass:

Originally posted by brucesf49:
mattbarrows Not true. Just a glitch on their web site. @chambersbruce 49ers.com depth chart shows RT A. Davis benched. True?

MaioccoCSN No. The 49ers say that was a mistake on the website. RT @chambersbruce Is Anthony Davis benched like 49ers.com roster shows?

website is correct now. but now shows Boone is 2nd rt.

guess the 'glitch' also believes that Davis should be benched.

smart glich

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by adembroski:

Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:

Originally posted by 9ermex:
He is going to be a beast but Alex has the worst luck any QB has had ever, everytime he gets hits as he throws, he gets intercepted, everytime he wants to go deep? someone blows the assingment, everytime one of our receivers tips a ball? it gets intercepted etc etc..

Seriously, he does have the worse luck. He mist have pissed off the football god in his past life.

Smith is the fan bases scapegoat. They want something to boo. So they boo Smith. Replace Smith, the team is still 0-5. .

Yup. One thing I've learned throughout this whole ordeal, is that 9er fans are some of the most unintelligent on the planet. They make Raider fans look like geniuses. These are the same clowns that quickly bought into the Singletary hype and bought all the "don't tell me show me" merchandise. They are pure fail.

Visit any board of any team and it is all about the same. Issues might be different from team to team but the level of responses (insightful and not, biased and unbiased, justified complaint and trolling, etc.) are just about the same.

Stupid to give up on Davis now. He is not Kwame. He is a dude half the age of Favre who is starting because he is better right now than any other option at RT. You guys seriously want Snyder back at RT????
This O-line could be beast next season if it stays the way it is now (maybe have to look at Rachal replacement if he cant get consistant). Davis will only get better with time and unless he starts getting holding calls on TD throws like Kwame then there is no reason to replace him. Davis is more important to the niners than Smith

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by adembroski:

Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:

Originally posted by 9ermex:
He is going to be a beast but Alex has the worst luck any QB has had ever, everytime he gets hits as he throws, he gets intercepted, everytime he wants to go deep? someone blows the assingment, everytime one of our receivers tips a ball? it gets intercepted etc etc..

Seriously, he does have the worse luck. He mist have pissed off the football god in his past life.

Smith is the fan bases scapegoat. They want something to boo. So they boo Smith. Replace Smith, the team is still 0-5. .

Yup. One thing I've learned throughout this whole ordeal, is that 9er fans are some of the most unintelligent on the planet. They make Raider fans look like geniuses. These are the same clowns that quickly bought into the Singletary hype and bought all the "don't tell me show me" merchandise. They are pure fail.

Visit any board of any team and it is all about the same. Issues might be different from team to team but the level of responses (insightful and not, biased and unbiased, justified complaint and trolling, etc.) are just about the same.

Yeah I was on the Vikings fan forum the other day and they have an Official Fire Brad Childress thread, and the arguments are very similiar to Alex Smith arguments like "If we had another coach they would've taken us to the Superbowl with this roster!" vs "Are you stupid! The players don't want to play for Childress!" lol

Originally posted by brucesf49:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
How about benching Rachal instead? We all know about Snyder at RT. He can't run block and is just as bad in pass protection as Davis. Put a steady veteran like Snyder, Baas or Heitman at RG next to him and I think he does a lot better.

According to player breakdown by Maiocco Rachal had a good game last week.

but then again. I see this today.


« Singletary: Alex... | Main

.-I'm on him every week, but on the opening TD drive, Chilo Rachal missed at least three blocks and got driven back into Alex Smith's grill on the 7-yard TD pass. I just wonder if Rachal is healthy



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=74463#ixzz12CkXpiFe

although that one didn't cause an int like Davis's mess up

This is an interesting article. A lot of diffent topics to touch but I like these.

Proves the point that Alex is getting poor protection. Sad thing about that is it's happening on 4 man rushes......BAD OL!

also points out that the Niners should pass to set up the run. Something a lot of us have been saying.

points out Alex not throwing deep. Probably because Alex is playing tight like he said to the media. Probably a fear of holding the ball long enough for this to develope and fear of INT's. INT's will happen on deep passes sometimes tho. Have to throw those up....but for VD. only toss those to ginn if he burned his guy. I think he is too small to fight for the ball.

[ Edited by brucesf49 on Oct 12, 2010 at 20:25:39 ]

This has been said time and time again on the zone. Take Rachal out and put in Snyder. Snyder makes Davis better. The left side is doing fine, and Baas (or Heitman) is solid in the middle.

Originally posted by pdxredandgold:

Originally posted by pyroglass:

Originally posted by brucesf49:
mattbarrows Not true. Just a glitch on their web site. @chambersbruce 49ers.com depth chart shows RT A. Davis benched. True?

MaioccoCSN No. The 49ers say that was a mistake on the website. RT @chambersbruce Is Anthony Davis benched like 49ers.com roster shows?

website is correct now. but now shows Boone is 2nd rt.

guess the 'glitch' also believes that Davis should be benched.

smart glich

Skynet makes better lineup decisions than Singletary.

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by adembroski:

Originally posted by binary2nd:
Mike Singletary is this team's nemesis:

“I think Mike was trying to follow through with what we had talked about during the week. This is not a game that we wanted to go in and just throw the ball all over the place"


YUP, he's still putting his hands on this Offense.

Much as I want to see the team open it up and try to get closer to a 60-40 ratio rather than 50-50, I agree with the staff that trying to get the run going was the right thing to do going into the Philly game.

Philly's been vulnerable to the run, especially the power game, and at first glance one would think that's how SFO would exploit them. In practice, it didn't happen and the 49ers did not adjust. That the initial gameplan called for a lot of running doesn't bother me a bit... when they didn't adjust to a team who'd sold out to stop the run and was leaving huge holes in the secondary, that did bother me.

I understand your point. But they'd used the same gameplan in every single game, regardless of opponent. There are three exceptions: third and long, when we are behind, and two-minute drills. They should also recognize that our Oline simply cannot execute power running on a consistent basis, regardless of opponent. Also, they should've recognized that PHI was probably EXPECTING them to come out running, it would've caught them off-guard if we opened up with the pass.

This is the same type of strategy Herm Edwards used to use. If a team is weak at run D, then run right at them. The problem is, most modern defenses can stop the run if they know WHERE it's going and WHEN it's coming. Our coaches don't understand that it is the threat of the pass that really destroys teams, even when it comes to implementing the run.

Great Post !!

IMO Davis's problems can be corrected but like any bad habits, it takes a while. What bothers me more is the blocking schemes to help Davis with either a TE or back or even Josh Morgan seems out of the question. I suspect that situation is also a Singletary macho crap that is crimping the offense. Other coaches can compensate but not our resident jackass. Singletary may possibly be so stupid,he should be institutionalised in the McDonald's house of failed burger flippers.

Originally posted by adembroski:

Originally posted by binary2nd:
Mike Singletary is this team's nemesis:

“I think Mike was trying to follow through with what we had talked about during the week. This is not a game that we wanted to go in and just throw the ball all over the place"


YUP, he's still putting his hands on this Offense.

Much as I want to see the team open it up and try to get closer to a 60-40 ratio rather than 50-50, I agree with the staff that trying to get the run going was the right thing to do going into the Philly game.

Philly's been vulnerable to the run, especially the power game, and at first glance one would think that's how SFO would exploit them. In practice, it didn't happen and the 49ers did not adjust. That the initial gameplan called for a lot of running doesn't bother me a bit... when they didn't adjust to a team who'd sold out to stop the run and was leaving huge holes in the secondary, that did bother me.

Watching the niners live, opposing defenses pretty much stack the line knowing about our commitment to running, and the fact that Alex cant adjust, and is reluctant to throw. Its the defensive gameplan for us known throughout the entire NFL. Alex must play 4th quarter come from behind football from the opening drive, to the ending whistle. Thats if our coach lets it happen. It would only take pressure off this young O-line that still needs to gel. When we go into the spread, the D backs off, leaving more running room, after we complete some passes. Rythym eliminates turnovers. We are way to easy for opposing defensive coordinators to plan for, and must change now. Score 45 points and then protect a 27 point lead, not sit on a one point lead for 3 qtrs, and put pressure on the D. This is why fans boo.

[ Edited by TheCatch on Oct 13, 2010 at 06:33:17 ]