Now that I have rewatched the game...

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
As someone pointed out in another thread, Alex does just enough to make us lose.

Although his game wasnt as bad as some of his other performances, he was the reason why the came transitioned from winnable (17-10) to impossible (24-10).

This has been one of Alex's setbacks ever since he arrived on the scene. He just isnt capable of getting this team over the hump. As long as the overall team is playing well, Alex seems to compete. But one penalty, one defensive mishap, one dropped pass is all it takes for him to self destruct. As Madden points out, it's a quarterback's league. At some point, your leader has to overcome team mistakes and make a bad situation into a good one.

Alex, unfortunately, rarely does this.

Just signs of a bad team. Think about it how often do you see Brady or Manning put in a bad position. Not sayin Alex is anywhere near the level of those 2 but the guy needs some help and I'm not talking about out the door

Manning was in a bad position throughout his first couple of years, BUT... you could tell he was gonna be good.

You cannot compare Manning to Smith. In Manning's case, he has had Tom Moore, the same OC throughout his career. (now has a Moore protege calling plays with Moore as "offensive consultant) Moore's offense was tailored to take advantage of Peyton's best talents. Moore and Indy brass tailored their drafts to bring in players like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark who were not only excellent athletes but could also read defenses and make quick, accurate sight adjustments to allow Manning to have an open receiver almost immediately. He also had Tony Dungy, a very bright guy who is also very quarterback friendly. Dungy understood the unique relationship that must exist between a HC and his quarterback.

So far, Alex Smith has had NONE of those things.

The two situations are both prototypes. Indy is about how to develop a quarterback. SF is about how to make sure a quarterback is going to have the maximum number of barriers to success.

My point was Manning managed to look good even while taking his lumps, Alex Smith still looks like s**t 6 years later, and there's no sign of that changing.

So did Kyle Orton. Check out is 1st and 3rd years starting in CHI.

I'm not getting it. Kyle Orton never had a QB rating above 80 in CHI. He went to a shotgun/spread style Offense in DEN and he's lighting it up.

I think that is the point he is trying to make. ALL QB's are system players. Some get lucky and either get into systems that play to their strengths or have coaches who recognize it and adjust the system to match their strengths. If the 49ers were to switch to mostly a spread offense then we will see a completely different QB. Will that happen? probably not. Run Run Pass Punt.

I doubt that's the point he's trying to make. I don't really know what point he's trying to make though.

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
As someone pointed out in another thread, Alex does just enough to make us lose.

Although his game wasnt as bad as some of his other performances, he was the reason why the came transitioned from winnable (17-10) to impossible (24-10).

This has been one of Alex's setbacks ever since he arrived on the scene. He just isnt capable of getting this team over the hump. As long as the overall team is playing well, Alex seems to compete. But one penalty, one defensive mishap, one dropped pass is all it takes for him to self destruct. As Madden points out, it's a quarterback's league. At some point, your leader has to overcome team mistakes and make a bad situation into a good one.

Alex, unfortunately, rarely does this.

Just signs of a bad team. Think about it how often do you see Brady or Manning put in a bad position. Not sayin Alex is anywhere near the level of those 2 but the guy needs some help and I'm not talking about out the door

Manning was in a bad position throughout his first couple of years, BUT... you could tell he was gonna be good.

You cannot compare Manning to Smith. In Manning's case, he has had Tom Moore, the same OC throughout his career. (now has a Moore protege calling plays with Moore as "offensive consultant) Moore's offense was tailored to take advantage of Peyton's best talents. Moore and Indy brass tailored their drafts to bring in players like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark who were not only excellent athletes but could also read defenses and make quick, accurate sight adjustments to allow Manning to have an open receiver almost immediately. He also had Tony Dungy, a very bright guy who is also very quarterback friendly. Dungy understood the unique relationship that must exist between a HC and his quarterback.

So far, Alex Smith has had NONE of those things.

The two situations are both prototypes. Indy is about how to develop a quarterback. SF is about how to make sure a quarterback is going to have the maximum number of barriers to success.

You dont think that Manning had anything to do with the development of these guys ? I didnt see any teams jump on Harrison when he was let go from Indy. And Dallas Clark is NOT a probowler without Manning as his QB. QBs make average players look great. They make great players look even better. This is exactly what Manning and Brady (see Deion Branch, see Troy Brown) did with their respective teams.

Sorry, dude. But Alex HAS the players around him to be great. Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, and Dixon = a monster backfield. If anything, Smith should be lighting up defenders with his arm, forcing them to defend the pass..........THEN allowing Gore and Co. to tear it up with the running game.

Instead, Smith's failed attempt at QBing has allowed teams to pack the box and defend the run. Without a running game, our team is in shambles.

Of course Manning helped them but he didn't do it until the OL was in shape, AND he got Harrison and the rest of them.

If you don't think an average quarterback would keep Dallas Clark in the Pro Bowl then you need to watch Indy a little closer. The guy blocks, has speed, AND perhaps most importantly, reads defenses better than just about any other TE in the game. Without his reads on many pressure situations, Manning would have no where to throw the ball.

However, my main point is, Peyton Manning had the same OC for all his career, and that OC tailored the offense to Peyton's style and ability. He also had a head coach that fully understood what makes a good offense and he let his OC run that part of the show even though he knew what would work and why. Dungy is a very good defensive mind who knows both the strengths and weaknesses of different defensive approaches, and he helps his OC attack those weaknesses - something that has never happened in SF since Nolan/Sing have been here.

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
As someone pointed out in another thread, Alex does just enough to make us lose.

Although his game wasnt as bad as some of his other performances, he was the reason why the came transitioned from winnable (17-10) to impossible (24-10).

This has been one of Alex's setbacks ever since he arrived on the scene. He just isnt capable of getting this team over the hump. As long as the overall team is playing well, Alex seems to compete. But one penalty, one defensive mishap, one dropped pass is all it takes for him to self destruct. As Madden points out, it's a quarterback's league. At some point, your leader has to overcome team mistakes and make a bad situation into a good one.

Alex, unfortunately, rarely does this.

Just signs of a bad team. Think about it how often do you see Brady or Manning put in a bad position. Not sayin Alex is anywhere near the level of those 2 but the guy needs some help and I'm not talking about out the door

Manning was in a bad position throughout his first couple of years, BUT... you could tell he was gonna be good.

You cannot compare Manning to Smith. In Manning's case, he has had Tom Moore, the same OC throughout his career. (now has a Moore protege calling plays with Moore as "offensive consultant) Moore's offense was tailored to take advantage of Peyton's best talents. Moore and Indy brass tailored their drafts to bring in players like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark who were not only excellent athletes but could also read defenses and make quick, accurate sight adjustments to allow Manning to have an open receiver almost immediately. He also had Tony Dungy, a very bright guy who is also very quarterback friendly. Dungy understood the unique relationship that must exist between a HC and his quarterback.

So far, Alex Smith has had NONE of those things.

The two situations are both prototypes. Indy is about how to develop a quarterback. SF is about how to make sure a quarterback is going to have the maximum number of barriers to success.

My point was Manning managed to look good even while taking his lumps, Alex Smith still looks like s**t 6 years later, and there's no sign of that changing.

So did Kyle Orton. Check out is 1st and 3rd years starting in CHI.

I'm not getting it. Kyle Orton never had a QB rating above 80 in CHI. He went to a shotgun/spread style Offense in DEN and he's lighting it up.

I think that is the point he is trying to make. ALL QB's are system players. Some get lucky and either get into systems that play to their strengths or have coaches who recognize it and adjust the system to match their strengths. If the 49ers were to switch to mostly a spread offense then we will see a completely different QB. Will that happen? probably not. Run Run Pass Punt.

I doubt that's the point he's trying to make. I don't really know what point he's trying to make though.

I thought we all know what point Joecool is going to make before reading his posts, no?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
As someone pointed out in another thread, Alex does just enough to make us lose.

Although his game wasnt as bad as some of his other performances, he was the reason why the came transitioned from winnable (17-10) to impossible (24-10).

This has been one of Alex's setbacks ever since he arrived on the scene. He just isnt capable of getting this team over the hump. As long as the overall team is playing well, Alex seems to compete. But one penalty, one defensive mishap, one dropped pass is all it takes for him to self destruct. As Madden points out, it's a quarterback's league. At some point, your leader has to overcome team mistakes and make a bad situation into a good one.

Alex, unfortunately, rarely does this.

Just signs of a bad team. Think about it how often do you see Brady or Manning put in a bad position. Not sayin Alex is anywhere near the level of those 2 but the guy needs some help and I'm not talking about out the door

Manning was in a bad position throughout his first couple of years, BUT... you could tell he was gonna be good.

You cannot compare Manning to Smith. In Manning's case, he has had Tom Moore, the same OC throughout his career. (now has a Moore protege calling plays with Moore as "offensive consultant) Moore's offense was tailored to take advantage of Peyton's best talents. Moore and Indy brass tailored their drafts to bring in players like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark who were not only excellent athletes but could also read defenses and make quick, accurate sight adjustments to allow Manning to have an open receiver almost immediately. He also had Tony Dungy, a very bright guy who is also very quarterback friendly. Dungy understood the unique relationship that must exist between a HC and his quarterback.

So far, Alex Smith has had NONE of those things.

The two situations are both prototypes. Indy is about how to develop a quarterback. SF is about how to make sure a quarterback is going to have the maximum number of barriers to success.

You dont think that Manning had anything to do with the development of these guys ? I didnt see any teams jump on Harrison when he was let go from Indy. And Dallas Clark is NOT a probowler without Manning as his QB. QBs make average players look great. They make great players look even better. This is exactly what Manning and Brady (see Deion Branch, see Troy Brown) did with their respective teams.

Sorry, dude. But Alex HAS the players around him to be great. Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, and Dixon = a monster backfield. If anything, Smith should be lighting up defenders with his arm, forcing them to defend the pass..........THEN allowing Gore and Co. to tear it up with the running game.

Instead, Smith's failed attempt at QBing has allowed teams to pack the box and defend the run. Without a running game, our team is in shambles.

Of course Manning helped them but he didn't do it until the OL was in shape, AND he got Harrison and the rest of them.

If you don't think an average quarterback would keep Dallas Clark in the Pro Bowl then you need to watch Indy a little closer. The guy blocks, has speed, AND perhaps most importantly, reads defenses better than just about any other TE in the game. Without his reads on many pressure situations, Manning would have no where to throw the ball.

However, my main point is, Peyton Manning had the same OC for all his career, and that OC tailored the offense to Peyton's style and ability. He also had a head coach that fully understood what makes a good offense and he let his OC run that part of the show even though he knew what would work and why. Dungy is a very good defensive mind who knows both the strengths and weaknesses of different defensive approaches, and he helps his OC attack those weaknesses - something that has never happened in SF since Nolan/Sing have been here.

Clark is one of the reason's Manning is Manning. He makes Peyton's life so much easier than most TE ever could.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Ya know, its amazing what can happen when you rewatch a game and alot of the tension is removed. You see things quite a bit differently. I think you end up seeing things the way fans of other teams see them.

Anyway....many things stood out.

1) The play of Alex Smith
2) The playcalling of Mike Johnson
3) The Play of Michael Crabtree
4) The problems on D.

1) Alex: This is well covered territory and I know I'm not breaking any ground here, but I watched him very closely when I watched the game again. I know this won't be popular, but he actually played pretty damn well even before the argument with Singletary.

I was on the verge of calling for the Yorks to blow the team up and waive goodbye to Alex, but now I'm not so sure.

He made 2 mistakes. One was the INT on the deep pass to Ginn. Ya, it wasn't a great pass, but those things are low % throws so I can't blame him for taking the shot we have been wanting him to take all season. It would also help if Ginn made more of an effort on the ball, but it was still not a great throw and was Alex's fault. The theres the fumble. No excuse. Horrible. He'd be the first to tell you that. That simply can't happen. Period. The final INT of the game tho was really Anthony Davis fault. If you watch, Alex makes the decision to throw the ball BEFORE the DE breaks free of Davis. Alex didn't have a chance.

Other than that tho....he looked GOOD. I mean REALLY good. If you don't believe me, watch the game again. The drives that stalled did so because of turnovers. The Niners punted only ONCE until there were 5 minutes left in the THIRD quarter. Alex was hitting passes on third down. He was hitting passes for 15 and 20 yards, so they weren't just checkdowns. He was hitting Crabtree, Ginn, Davis, Morgan, Gore....he was getting EVERYONE involved. He hit Ginn for almost 20 yards on a 3rd and ONE. He hit Davis for about 25 yards on 3rd and 15.

After the confrontation with Sing, he was even better.

Smith is everyones favorite scapegoat. To be fair he has at times made it easy to scapegoat him. Sunday tho....he played pretty damn well. If you don't believe me, watch the game again.



2) Johnson: I was reading yesterday that there were peeps here who were critical of MJs playcalling. WATCH THE GAME AGAIN. He was AGGRESSIVE. The Niners punted ONCE until 5 min left in the 3rd quarter and only punted 3 times in the entire game. One of those punts came after three consecutive incomplete passes. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the turnovers happened on a drive in which the 49ers had gotten a first down. They were moving the ball. The second Gore fumble was after back to back playes of 25 yards (pass to Davis) and 17 yards (run by Gore).

After watching this game again, I am not concerned at all about the playcalling.


3) Crabtree: Crabtree started to look like the guy who played at Texas Tech. The attribute of his game that has been missing so far is his run-after-catch ability. He showed it on some nifty plays down the sideline. He also ran a great route and made a great catch on his TD. What strikes me the most tho are the length of his arms. LOL. Serously...he looks like a freak. Watch him when he puts his arms up after scoring the TD...I swear to got he could fly with those things...lol.


4) The D: This is the one that concerns me. They to often find themselves out of position and have a reciever running through the secondary with nobody within 5-10 yards of them. Kolb looked good, but when a guy is that open, its pretty hard to miss them. The run D has also been showing some cracks of late. Some have said that WIllis may be hurt, but I don't think thats it. I think he's getting covered up by lionemen more than in the past. He hasn't been able to run free. I dunno if thats something offenses are doing or if its the D not protecting him. I just hope they fix it.

I'm also concerned about Mays. Its not that he played poorly. He just seems a step slow right now (although he caused the fumble that the Eagles recovered). Its not about his potential...I'm just not sure he was ready to play. We'll see and I hope he proves me wrong.

Thanks. I was wondering which lineman was responsible for the last interception. Alex clearly got hit and couldn't follow through.

Nice post. Alex did look good even before the Singletary talk...if you take away the few bad throws and an inexcusable fumble. This is the story with Alex. Take away the terrible mistakes, he is actually decent. But he has yet to play a game without making terrible mistakes. Every game it seems he is getting hot then boom, he f**ks up and you're left scratching your head just like every other week. I've never seen anything like it.

Our recievers are finally catching almost everything thrown at them...
i remember when our receivers couldnt catch a cold in the snow naked with nothing but socks on.... anyways we have two rookies on the line and that last interception was one of thier fault, alex was responsible for only two mistakes this game, the stupid fumblitus play, and the poorly Underthrown pass to ginn. He did very well throughout the rest of the game, he got sacked too but iupati let his man through and alex thought he should bumb chests with that eagles player or something... anyways, I believe we will win when our o-line gels and that should happen as soon as heitman replaces, chilo i really really suck rachal!!!

[ Edited by t4o2o0l on Oct 13, 2010 at 18:50:55 ]

Great post,I completely agree. I just wish all these niner "faithful" would stop getting so down on our team. Yes we are 0-5 and a lot of that is NOT to do with just Alex,but also our run game has not been sufficient. Also, our defense has not played worth a damn. Our secondary needs to step up big time. All Im trying to say is that we need to support our team and hope for the best,we all know that we are a better football team that our record shows. The hardest part of our season is out of the way,we smoke the raiders on sunday,gain some momentum and the west is ours.LETS GO NINERS!

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Ya know, its amazing what can happen when you rewatch a game and alot of the tension is removed. You see things quite a bit differently. I think you end up seeing things the way fans of other teams see them.

Anyway....many things stood out.

1) The play of Alex Smith
2) The playcalling of Mike Johnson
3) The Play of Michael Crabtree
4) The problems on D.

1) Alex: This is well covered territory and I know I'm not breaking any ground here, but I watched him very closely when I watched the game again. I know this won't be popular, but he actually played pretty damn well even before the argument with Singletary.

I was on the verge of calling for the Yorks to blow the team up and waive goodbye to Alex, but now I'm not so sure.

He made 2 mistakes. One was the INT on the deep pass to Ginn. Ya, it wasn't a great pass, but those things are low % throws so I can't blame him for taking the shot we have been wanting him to take all season. It would also help if Ginn made more of an effort on the ball, but it was still not a great throw and was Alex's fault. The theres the fumble. No excuse. Horrible. He'd be the first to tell you that. That simply can't happen. Period. The final INT of the game tho was really Anthony Davis fault. If you watch, Alex makes the decision to throw the ball BEFORE the DE breaks free of Davis. Alex didn't have a chance.

Other than that tho....he looked GOOD. I mean REALLY good. If you don't believe me, watch the game again. The drives that stalled did so because of turnovers. The Niners punted only ONCE until there were 5 minutes left in the THIRD quarter. Alex was hitting passes on third down. He was hitting passes for 15 and 20 yards, so they weren't just checkdowns. He was hitting Crabtree, Ginn, Davis, Morgan, Gore....he was getting EVERYONE involved. He hit Ginn for almost 20 yards on a 3rd and ONE. He hit Davis for about 25 yards on 3rd and 15.

After the confrontation with Sing, he was even better.

Smith is everyones favorite scapegoat. To be fair he has at times made it easy to scapegoat him. Sunday tho....he played pretty damn well. If you don't believe me, watch the game again.



2) Johnson: I was reading yesterday that there were peeps here who were critical of MJs playcalling. WATCH THE GAME AGAIN. He was AGGRESSIVE. The Niners punted ONCE until 5 min left in the 3rd quarter and only punted 3 times in the entire game. One of those punts came after three consecutive incomplete passes. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the turnovers happened on a drive in which the 49ers had gotten a first down. They were moving the ball. The second Gore fumble was after back to back playes of 25 yards (pass to Davis) and 17 yards (run by Gore).

After watching this game again, I am not concerned at all about the playcalling.


3) Crabtree: Crabtree started to look like the guy who played at Texas Tech. The attribute of his game that has been missing so far is his run-after-catch ability. He showed it on some nifty plays down the sideline. He also ran a great route and made a great catch on his TD. What strikes me the most tho are the length of his arms. LOL. Serously...he looks like a freak. Watch him when he puts his arms up after scoring the TD...I swear to got he could fly with those things...lol.


4) The D: This is the one that concerns me. They to often find themselves out of position and have a reciever running through the secondary with nobody within 5-10 yards of them. Kolb looked good, but when a guy is that open, its pretty hard to miss them. The run D has also been showing some cracks of late. Some have said that WIllis may be hurt, but I don't think thats it. I think he's getting covered up by lionemen more than in the past. He hasn't been able to run free. I dunno if thats something offenses are doing or if its the D not protecting him. I just hope they fix it.

I'm also concerned about Mays. Its not that he played poorly. He just seems a step slow right now (although he caused the fumble that the Eagles recovered). Its not about his potential...I'm just not sure he was ready to play. We'll see and I hope he proves me wrong.

Really? Marvin, I respect anyone that goes back through that game taking the time to analyze his game play. I really haven't had a chance to. I have always hoped the best from him and I have seen it. It's the inconsistency.

I am sure there is evidence of that, but overall, I remember loving that first drive and then the fourth quarter ones. If he did that w/o the TOs, then he be one of if not the best QB in the league.

The stats speak for themselves. If momentum continued and we score on 50% of those drives while transversing his TD to Int ratio, we would be in first and Singletary looks grand.

SNAP out of it! I did. It's too late. The impact and damage has been done no matter how much better we do. When you're 0-5, you don't have much room to screw up let alone breakdown emotionally on a consistent basis. Airing out your laundry on the national stage must be a prerequisite...uh, oops.

I keed Marvin, I really do. I sincerely hope Alex does well without TOs this time.

We all need a good dose of win right now.

Go Alex!

"He's my quarterback..."

*sniff sniff*

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Ya know, its amazing what can happen when you rewatch a game and alot of the tension is removed. You see things quite a bit differently. I think you end up seeing things the way fans of other teams see them.

Anyway....many things stood out.

1) The play of Alex Smith
2) The playcalling of Mike Johnson
3) The Play of Michael Crabtree
4) The problems on D.

1) Alex: This is well covered territory and I know I'm not breaking any ground here, but I watched him very closely when I watched the game again. I know this won't be popular, but he actually played pretty damn well even before the argument with Singletary.

I was on the verge of calling for the Yorks to blow the team up and waive goodbye to Alex, but now I'm not so sure.

He made 2 mistakes. One was the INT on the deep pass to Ginn. Ya, it wasn't a great pass, but those things are low % throws so I can't blame him for taking the shot we have been wanting him to take all season. It would also help if Ginn made more of an effort on the ball, but it was still not a great throw and was Alex's fault. The theres the fumble. No excuse. Horrible. He'd be the first to tell you that. That simply can't happen. Period. The final INT of the game tho was really Anthony Davis fault. If you watch, Alex makes the decision to throw the ball BEFORE the DE breaks free of Davis. Alex didn't have a chance.

Other than that tho....he looked GOOD. I mean REALLY good. If you don't believe me, watch the game again. The drives that stalled did so because of turnovers. The Niners punted only ONCE until there were 5 minutes left in the THIRD quarter. Alex was hitting passes on third down. He was hitting passes for 15 and 20 yards, so they weren't just checkdowns. He was hitting Crabtree, Ginn, Davis, Morgan, Gore....he was getting EVERYONE involved. He hit Ginn for almost 20 yards on a 3rd and ONE. He hit Davis for about 25 yards on 3rd and 15.

After the confrontation with Sing, he was even better.

Smith is everyones favorite scapegoat. To be fair he has at times made it easy to scapegoat him. Sunday tho....he played pretty damn well. If you don't believe me, watch the game again.



2) Johnson: I was reading yesterday that there were peeps here who were critical of MJs playcalling. WATCH THE GAME AGAIN. He was AGGRESSIVE. The Niners punted ONCE until 5 min left in the 3rd quarter and only punted 3 times in the entire game. One of those punts came after three consecutive incomplete passes. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the turnovers happened on a drive in which the 49ers had gotten a first down. They were moving the ball. The second Gore fumble was after back to back playes of 25 yards (pass to Davis) and 17 yards (run by Gore).

After watching this game again, I am not concerned at all about the playcalling.


3) Crabtree: Crabtree started to look like the guy who played at Texas Tech. The attribute of his game that has been missing so far is his run-after-catch ability. He showed it on some nifty plays down the sideline. He also ran a great route and made a great catch on his TD. What strikes me the most tho are the length of his arms. LOL. Serously...he looks like a freak. Watch him when he puts his arms up after scoring the TD...I swear to got he could fly with those things...lol.


4) The D: This is the one that concerns me. They to often find themselves out of position and have a reciever running through the secondary with nobody within 5-10 yards of them. Kolb looked good, but when a guy is that open, its pretty hard to miss them. The run D has also been showing some cracks of late. Some have said that WIllis may be hurt, but I don't think thats it. I think he's getting covered up by lionemen more than in the past. He hasn't been able to run free. I dunno if thats something offenses are doing or if its the D not protecting him. I just hope they fix it.

I'm also concerned about Mays. Its not that he played poorly. He just seems a step slow right now (although he caused the fumble that the Eagles recovered). Its not about his potential...I'm just not sure he was ready to play. We'll see and I hope he proves me wrong.

Really? Marvin, I respect anyone that goes back through that game taking the time to analyze his game play. I really haven't had a chance to. I have always hoped the best from him and I have seen it. It's the inconsistency.

I am sure there is evidence of that, but overall, I remember loving that first drive and then the fourth quarter ones. If he did that w/o the TOs, then he be one of if not the best QB in the league.

The stats speak for themselves. If momentum continued and we score on 50% of those drives while transversing his TD to Int ratio, we would be in first and Singletary looks grand.

SNAP out of it! I did. It's too late. The impact and damage has been done no matter how much better we do. When you're 0-5, you don't have much room to screw up let alone breakdown emotionally on a consistent basis. Airing out your laundry on the national stage must be a prerequisite...uh, oops.

I keed Marvin, I really do. I sincerely hope Alex does well without TOs this time.

We all need a good dose of win right now.

Go Alex!

"He's my quarterback..."

*sniff sniff*

LOL. ;-)

I'm not talking about winning the division right now. I think we need to win ONE game before we can even START talking about wining 5 or 6 in a row to get the division.

My comments about Alex were only an analasys of how he played. When I watched the game the first time, I didn't realize how well he played. He played well the entire game...not just on the first drive or in the 4th. What killed the Niners (no big news here) was the TOs. The first INT...it hurt, but was trying for a long pass and all QBs in the NFL make that mistake. He took a shot...it was forgivable.

The fumble. No excuse. Simply....can't....happen. The last INT was not his fault...he was hit in the chest as he threw and Zieglar was open for a first down.

This entire thread was not written about this season....It was just looking at this one game objectively. I found that Smith gets Scapegoated. I'll give you an example. The prevailing theory is that Smith stunk it up and then finished strong.

At the time of the fumble, Alex was 13 of 20 for 186 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT. There were also drops by Morgan and Norris, but that doesn't matter...his number were what they were. Thats a QB Rating of OF 90.83. He then came out after that, got hit as he threw on the first throw, threw a screen to Gore when Gore never saw the ball and it hit him, and then missed on the third down throw. Thats when fans started chanting "We Want Carr!!!".

He finished the game 25 of 39, 309 yards, 3 TD, and 2 INT. His rating for the night? 92.78....not that different than before the fumble.

My point in all of this is that Smith was playing WELL. The fact that fans were booing him and chanting "We Want Carr" tells me nothing more than we have some stupid a$$ fans who...

1) Couldn't recognize that Smith was playing well.

2) Didn't realize just how bad David Carr sucks.

Yes, this season is most likely over and they are too deep in the whole to dig themselves out. Thats not the point tho. My question is whether you blow it all up right now. After rewatching the game, my answer is a resounding "no".

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Ya know, its amazing what can happen when you rewatch a game and alot of the tension is removed. You see things quite a bit differently. I think you end up seeing things the way fans of other teams see them.

Anyway....many things stood out.

1) The play of Alex Smith
2) The playcalling of Mike Johnson
3) The Play of Michael Crabtree
4) The problems on D.

1) Alex: This is well covered territory and I know I'm not breaking any ground here, but I watched him very closely when I watched the game again. I know this won't be popular, but he actually played pretty damn well even before the argument with Singletary.

I was on the verge of calling for the Yorks to blow the team up and waive goodbye to Alex, but now I'm not so sure.

He made 2 mistakes. One was the INT on the deep pass to Ginn. Ya, it wasn't a great pass, but those things are low % throws so I can't blame him for taking the shot we have been wanting him to take all season. It would also help if Ginn made more of an effort on the ball, but it was still not a great throw and was Alex's fault. The theres the fumble. No excuse. Horrible. He'd be the first to tell you that. That simply can't happen. Period. The final INT of the game tho was really Anthony Davis fault. If you watch, Alex makes the decision to throw the ball BEFORE the DE breaks free of Davis. Alex didn't have a chance.

Other than that tho....he looked GOOD. I mean REALLY good. If you don't believe me, watch the game again. The drives that stalled did so because of turnovers. The Niners punted only ONCE until there were 5 minutes left in the THIRD quarter. Alex was hitting passes on third down. He was hitting passes for 15 and 20 yards, so they weren't just checkdowns. He was hitting Crabtree, Ginn, Davis, Morgan, Gore....he was getting EVERYONE involved. He hit Ginn for almost 20 yards on a 3rd and ONE. He hit Davis for about 25 yards on 3rd and 15.

After the confrontation with Sing, he was even better.

Smith is everyones favorite scapegoat. To be fair he has at times made it easy to scapegoat him. Sunday tho....he played pretty damn well. If you don't believe me, watch the game again.



2) Johnson: I was reading yesterday that there were peeps here who were critical of MJs playcalling. WATCH THE GAME AGAIN. He was AGGRESSIVE. The Niners punted ONCE until 5 min left in the 3rd quarter and only punted 3 times in the entire game. One of those punts came after three consecutive incomplete passes. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the turnovers happened on a drive in which the 49ers had gotten a first down. They were moving the ball. The second Gore fumble was after back to back playes of 25 yards (pass to Davis) and 17 yards (run by Gore).

After watching this game again, I am not concerned at all about the playcalling.


3) Crabtree: Crabtree started to look like the guy who played at Texas Tech. The attribute of his game that has been missing so far is his run-after-catch ability. He showed it on some nifty plays down the sideline. He also ran a great route and made a great catch on his TD. What strikes me the most tho are the length of his arms. LOL. Serously...he looks like a freak. Watch him when he puts his arms up after scoring the TD...I swear to got he could fly with those things...lol.


4) The D: This is the one that concerns me. They to often find themselves out of position and have a reciever running through the secondary with nobody within 5-10 yards of them. Kolb looked good, but when a guy is that open, its pretty hard to miss them. The run D has also been showing some cracks of late. Some have said that WIllis may be hurt, but I don't think thats it. I think he's getting covered up by lionemen more than in the past. He hasn't been able to run free. I dunno if thats something offenses are doing or if its the D not protecting him. I just hope they fix it.

I'm also concerned about Mays. Its not that he played poorly. He just seems a step slow right now (although he caused the fumble that the Eagles recovered). Its not about his potential...I'm just not sure he was ready to play. We'll see and I hope he proves me wrong.

Really? Marvin, I respect anyone that goes back through that game taking the time to analyze his game play. I really haven't had a chance to. I have always hoped the best from him and I have seen it. It's the inconsistency.

I am sure there is evidence of that, but overall, I remember loving that first drive and then the fourth quarter ones. If he did that w/o the TOs, then he be one of if not the best QB in the league.

The stats speak for themselves. If momentum continued and we score on 50% of those drives while transversing his TD to Int ratio, we would be in first and Singletary looks grand.

SNAP out of it! I did. It's too late. The impact and damage has been done no matter how much better we do. When you're 0-5, you don't have much room to screw up let alone breakdown emotionally on a consistent basis. Airing out your laundry on the national stage must be a prerequisite...uh, oops.

I keed Marvin, I really do. I sincerely hope Alex does well without TOs this time.

We all need a good dose of win right now.

Go Alex!

"He's my quarterback..."

*sniff sniff*

LOL. ;-)

I'm not talking about winning the division right now. I think we need to win ONE game before we can even START talking about wining 5 or 6 in a row to get the division.

My comments about Alex were only an analasys of how he played. When I watched the game the first time, I didn't realize how well he played. He played well the entire game...not just on the first drive or in the 4th. What killed the Niners (no big news here) was the TOs. The first INT...it hurt, but was trying for a long pass and all QBs in the NFL make that mistake. He took a shot...it was forgivable.

The fumble. No excuse. Simply....can't....happen. The last INT was not his fault...he was hit in the chest as he threw and Zieglar was open for a first down.

This entire thread was not written about this season....It was just looking at this one game objectively. I found that Smith gets Scapegoated. I'll give you an example. The prevailing theory is that Smith stunk it up and then finished strong.

At the time of the fumble, Alex was 13 of 20 for 186 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT. There were also drops by Morgan and Norris, but that doesn't matter...his number were what they were. Thats a QB Rating of OF 90.83. He then came out after that, got hit as he threw on the first throw, threw a screen to Gore when Gore never saw the ball and it hit him, and then missed on the third down throw. Thats when fans started chanting "We Want Carr!!!".

He finished the game 25 of 39, 309 yards, 3 TD, and 2 INT. His rating for the night? 92.78....not that different than before the fumble.

My point in all of this is that Smith was playing WELL. The fact that fans were booing him and chanting "We Want Carr" tells me nothing more than we have some stupid a$$ fans who...

1) Couldn't recognize that Smith was playing well.

2) Didn't realize just how bad David Carr sucks.

Yes, this season is most likely over and they are too deep in the whole to dig themselves out. Thats not the point tho. My question is whether you blow it all up right now. After rewatching the game, my answer is a resounding "no".

Oh...and BTW...just for kicks because obviously it didn't happen....

...but if Smith gets the ball over the jumping safety to Gore and Gore scores....Smiths QB rating would have been around 117. :-(

I'm not giving Smith credit for that, I was just curious. Found this very cool website I wanted to play with. ;-)

QB Rating Calculator

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
On the very last play were A.Smith was getting hurried, hit and threw the INT,










if Smith would've done a spin move and juked the rusher, he would have had a clear field. Yes or no? I only saw one rusher coming in

Possibly, but if he tries the spin move and fails, it is a sack and game over before they could stop the clock.

Let's get back to actual circumstances; if Nedney hits a gimme field goal, this conversation doesn't exist.

One other "re-watch" bit, Collinsworth pointed out Vernon Davis not turning to look around quickly enough for Smith to get the ball to him on the blitz. We all love Davis but that is a problem he continues to have. He just doesn't sense blitz and what his proper reaction should be. A quarterback needs to have a TE that will be reliable under those situations if the proper pass is to become instinctual with the QB.

Damn good point.

So I guess the real question is.....

how do we get the oline to play like the beasts that they are?

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
On the very last play were A.Smith was getting hurried, hit and threw the INT,










if Smith would've done a spin move and juked the rusher, he would have had a clear field. Yes or no? I only saw one rusher coming in

Possibly, but if he tries the spin move and fails, it is a sack and game over before they could stop the clock.

Let's get back to actual circumstances; if Nedney hits a gimme field goal, this conversation doesn't exist.

One other "re-watch" bit, Collinsworth pointed out Vernon Davis not turning to look around quickly enough for Smith to get the ball to him on the blitz. We all love Davis but that is a problem he continues to have. He just doesn't sense blitz and what his proper reaction should be. A quarterback needs to have a TE that will be reliable under those situations if the proper pass is to become instinctual with the QB.

Damn good point.

So I guess the real question is.....

how do we get the oline to play like the beasts that they are?

Time, a luxury we don't have unfortunately.

This is a very young OL with two rooks nonetheless. It will take time to develop these young kids at all the nuances of NFL OL play. Once there, we should see some major improvement.

Still, I don't like how Rachal has developed. He's seems to be suffering from the same issues as last year.

Our OL will get better as the season progresses. Sometimes there on like Davis in the Atlanta game or off like Davis in the Philly game. Inconsistency again rears its ugly head.

It will get better.

After I rewatched the game....I was like damn.....U can feel the hate from the faithful....this TEAM isn't playing up to their metal.

Originally posted by Nes49:
After I rewatched the game....I was like damn.....U can feel the hate from the faithful....this TEAM isn't playing up to their metal.

I was there with my 10yr old daughter who questioned what was happening around her because she didn't understand the venom.

I explained that after living 20 years of greatness with 5 championships, an innovative and successful HOF HC, with TWO HOF QBs, our fans have had enough of empty promises, losses, and the continuous display of carelessness with the rock by the same QB, Mr. Alex Smith for OVER FIVE YEARS.

I also told her to keep watching to see if Carr comes in or doesn't as I could see the interactions between Alex and Coach. She was pleasantly surprised to see Alex back and started to cheer for him and Crabtree, she wears his jersey when they started to drive down the field especially on that last TD drive.

She truly was amazed how quickly and directly we came back to score two TDs and was disappointed when Alex threw that last INT.

Well, I told her, that is why the fans had enough...because he seems to keep messing up even though he's successful at times, the Jeckle and Hyde thing.



The fans have really had enough of Smith erratic play. They want consistency and leadership from their QB.

Let's see if this week it happens the entire game instead of waiting until it's too late.

Go Alex! Free Alex! Just win Alex! Insert Alex support comment here.