I've broken on through....to the other side.No longer an A.Smith fan

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He is one piece where we could use a better player. But we also have...

~ The dumbest ownership the league.
~ The worst HC in the league.
~ No GM on an NFL team...
~ CB's that jump too many routes.
~ Return men who can't catch a punt.

And more. Those aren't Alexcuses BTW. I wouldn't mind an upgrade at QB. But thinking plugging in a QB will fix ALL of our problems is just delusional.

Very true. Though I don't think the last 2 things are huge issues. Kyle and Ted were missed in the Saints game for sure.

I don't think we need a "GM" so much as a Player Personnel guy. Someone at the very top that sets the direction of the entire franchise. I really think Baalke did a fine job in the draft and should stay where he's at. As it sits, I am afraid Sing is a better option than who Jed will end up replacing him with. Our only hope is the pressure of the stadium issue I think.

Sadly, alex is our best option at QB. All the talk of Davis, or Carr, or Troy is pointless, because even though he couldn't throw a bachelor party, Alex is all we have until FA or the Draft gives us an escape plan.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

alex did not lose this game. Nate needs to go down. If he does game over. He tried to be a hero. We don't need heros we need smart TEAM players.

at least he made an incredible play in intercepting the ball in the first place, Ryan was ready to drive down field anyway.....and Nate also had a great game leading up to that...and so did most of our defense...even Haralson played well....and for a Rookie Taylor Mays did fine for his first ever start

what did Alex do to help the team to win today?

Nate lost the game today. The 49ers were in the lead. Its on Nate.

well if you want to get like that....well we were still in the lead after that fumble..

THEN WHO DO YOU WANT TO BLAME NOW?????? NATE Again??

I don't know what your problem is 9erJim....but I don't remember you ever being this dense.

Nate a Vet, he goes down we win. what part of that you dont get? He screwed up. Late in the game in a tight game on the road a vet should know better. He cost the 49ers the game. He makes huge $$$. he screwed up.

Alex is a Vet...he makes huge $$$...his INTs put the Falcons in good field position...while our Defense was doing well for most of the game, including Nate.

again...we still had the lead after Nate fumbled....Ryan drove down field with some great throws for his team.

there is no guarantee that we would have ran out the clock....Nate had a running start and saw the endzone..we were only winning by one point... our Offense only scored 1 TD the whole game and that was back in the first QTR.

I don't agree with what Nate did, but I understand what he was trying to do.

I don't know how you blame Nate more so than Alex.

it's cuz he's black

the white guy's never at fault

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by excelsior:
You guys are blinded by emotion. Rationality goes out the window and is replaced by over-reaction. Look at the numbers. Alex is not one of the elites of the league, but he falls in the middle group. After that, nowwheresville.

I get tired of saying this, but good NFL QBs do not grow on trees. As some have said before, you better have someone better available before you replace him. He has played well many times before. Most of his passes today were right on target. He is in a funk, no doubt, with his mistakes. I think he is trying to do too much. Good coaching would help.

I think he is the best we have right now, and our best chance for the rest of the season. He can play better - he has before. Look at many of the other QBs around the league. All but a few have had a couple of crappy games so far this year. I tell you, this is not an easy position to play, and for most, they need lots of help.

I agree. We should continue starting Alex Smith. The more he starts, the more the losses will pile up increasing our chances to get Luck or Locker.

That was the same kind of thinking the year the 49ers drafted Smith.

The point is; you never know. Mike McCarthy was a BIG Alex Smith fan. He wanted Smith in SF. He was NOT an Aaron Rodgers fan, however, he wound up with Rodgers, had two full years to coach him up before he had to play, and the rest is history.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He is one piece where we could use a better player. But we also have...

~ The worst HC in the league.
~ No GM on an NFL team...
~ CB's that jump too many routes.
~ Return men who can't catch a punt.

Wade Phillips
Not the only team without a GM
Nobody got burned jumping a route today
Williams caught all the punts with ease today


~Just sayin'

Alex Smith is Steve DeBerg.

Bill Walsh once said of Steve DeBerg, (who was the QB right before Montana for all you young 'uns) "He plays just good enough to get you beat". I was hoping for the team's sake that Smith would develop this year but I don't think it's going to happen. A big game QB would have taken control of this game and won it for the Niners. (I watched Montana do it all the time back in the 80's)

I still can't believe the Niners took this guy over Rodgers. They were rated about even at the time but a project QB over the local favorite? PR blunder if nothing else at the time.

Sam Bradford is already a better QB than Smith and he's only played 4 games so this talk about multiple OC's in 'blah blah years' is moot at this point.

The best thing that could happen to Smith is that he becomes Peyton Manning's backup for about 4-5 years and maybe he could develop in his 30's.

Some guys just don't get it until later in their careers......Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett, DeBerg with KC, Testaverde, and last but not least, Steve Young.

Remember Young was pretty much washed up when he came to the Niners. Tampa Bay gave up on him and drafted Testaverde and he was a bust in Tampa Bay too.

I became a smith hater ever since he overthrew Moran Norris on that 4th and 1 play against the shehawks. No pressure on him, Norris wide open and he overthrows him.

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:
Alex Smith is Steve DeBerg.

Bill Walsh once said of Steve DeBerg, (who was the QB right before Montana for all you young 'uns) "He plays just good enough to get you beat". I was hoping for the team's sake that Smith would develop this year but I don't think it's going to happen. A big game QB would have taken control of this game and won it for the Niners. (I watched Montana do it all the time back in the 80's)

I still can't believe the Niners took this guy over Rodgers. They were rated about even at the time but a project QB over the local favorite? PR blunder if nothing else at the time.

Sam Bradford is already a better QB than Smith and he's only played 4 games so this talk about multiple OC's in 'blah blah years' is moot at this point.

The best thing that could happen to Smith is that he becomes Peyton Manning's backup for about 4-5 years and maybe he could develop in his 30's.

Some guys just don't get it until later in their careers......Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett, DeBerg with KC, Testaverde, and last but not least, Steve Young.

Remember Young was pretty much washed up when he came to the Niners. Tampa Bay gave up on him and drafted Testaverde and he was a bust in Tampa Bay too.

cosigned

Originally posted by Kneel_B4_ZOD:
Sadly, alex is our best option at QB. All the talk of Davis, or Carr, or Troy is pointless, because even though he couldn't throw a bachelor party, Alex is all we have until FA or the Draft gives us an escape plan.

I can live with Alex another 12 games. The loser will get us a top 10 pick to pick our new franchise QB. I really have a feeling this miserable season will be a blessing in disguise with Sing and Alex finally gone.

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:

I still can't believe the Niners took this guy over Rodgers. They were rated about even at the time but a project QB over the local favorite? PR blunder if nothing else at the time.

This argument annoys me. Do you really think Aaron Rodgers would've succeeded if he were in Alex Smith's shoes? And can you really say Alex wouldn't have succeeded if it were the other way? Rodgers had about as perfect a situation as can be. Alex had about as bad. Not saying Alex will ever be anything as he's damaged goods now. But come on.

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:
Alex Smith is Steve DeBerg.

Bill Walsh once said of Steve DeBerg, (who was the QB right before Montana for all you young 'uns) "He plays just good enough to get you beat". I was hoping for the team's sake that Smith would develop this year but I don't think it's going to happen. A big game QB would have taken control of this game and won it for the Niners. (I watched Montana do it all the time back in the 80's)

I still can't believe the Niners took this guy over Rodgers. They were rated about even at the time but a project QB over the local favorite? PR blunder if nothing else at the time.

Sam Bradford is already a better QB than Smith and he's only played 4 games so this talk about multiple OC's in 'blah blah years' is moot at this point.

The best thing that could happen to Smith is that he becomes Peyton Manning's backup for about 4-5 years and maybe he could develop in his 30's.

Some guys just don't get it until later in their careers......Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett, DeBerg with KC, Testaverde, and last but not least, Steve Young.

Remember Young was pretty much washed up when he came to the Niners. Tampa Bay gave up on him and drafted Testaverde and he was a bust in Tampa Bay too.

Too much hindsight with Rodgers.

Coming out of college Rodgers was judged to be a "system" player who would not fit in well in the pro game. That is why he fell so far down the list to the Packers. He was a local favorite but no one felt so sure of him that they jumped up to take him until he fell all the way to GB.

Originally posted by bigtony2tone:

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:

I still can't believe the Niners took this guy over Rodgers. They were rated about even at the time but a project QB over the local favorite? PR blunder if nothing else at the time.

This argument annoys me. Do you really think Aaron Rodgers would've succeeded if he were in Alex Smith's shoes? And can you really say Alex wouldn't have succeeded if it were the other way? Rodgers had about as perfect a situation as can be. Alex had about as bad. Not saying Alex will ever be anything as he's damaged goods now. But come on.

they are NOT CLONES OF EACH OTHER

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Kneel_B4_ZOD:
Sadly, alex is our best option at QB. All the talk of Davis, or Carr, or Troy is pointless, because even though he couldn't throw a bachelor party, Alex is all we have until FA or the Draft gives us an escape plan.

I can live with Alex another 12 games. The loser will get us a top 10 pick to pick our new franchise QB. I really have a feeling this miserable season will be a blessing in disguise with Sing and Alex finally gone.

Do you guys really want to only win 1 or 2 games to spend 100 million on a QB that you don't know will work out? Call me naive but we are only 2 games back and went through the toughest part of our schedule. If we stop beating ourselves we have a chance. Although, like you guys said that could lead to another year of ciaos.

Originally posted by excelsior:
You guys are blinded by emotion. Rationality goes out the window and is replaced by over-reaction. Look at the numbers. Alex is not one of the elites of the league, but he falls in the middle group. After that, nowwheresville.

I get tired of saying this, but good NFL QBs do not grow on trees. As some have said before, you better have someone better available before you replace him. He has played well many times before. Most of his passes today were right on target. He is in a funk, no doubt, with his mistakes. I think he is trying to do too much. Good coaching would help.

I think he is the best we have right now, and our best chance for the rest of the season. He can play better - he has before. Look at many of the other QBs around the league. All but a few have had a couple of crappy games so far this year. I tell you, this is not an easy position to play, and for most, they need lots of help.

"Look at other QBs around the league". Yes I have, and all the ones that suk in the first 3 games have been benched....

J.Campbell
T.Edwards
V.Young (one game)
and others,

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by bigtony2tone:

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:

I still can't believe the Niners took this guy over Rodgers. They were rated about even at the time but a project QB over the local favorite? PR blunder if nothing else at the time.

This argument annoys me. Do you really think Aaron Rodgers would've succeeded if he were in Alex Smith's shoes? And can you really say Alex wouldn't have succeeded if it were the other way? Rodgers had about as perfect a situation as can be. Alex had about as bad. Not saying Alex will ever be anything as he's damaged goods now. But come on.

they are NOT CLONES OF EACH OTHER

Huh? I'm not saying they are. Rather one had a great situation to be drafted into while the other had a horrible one. Apples to oranges.