If we make the playoffs.......

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SoMovedOn:

Originally posted by bigmike55:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Kind of a dumb question...Obviously everything falls on Alex Smith. How he performs will determine whether we even make it OR not. Only time will tell.

Kind of is an understatement. This is a quarterback driven league. Good quarterbacks lead their teams to the playoffs and more. It's a fact.

I beg to differ. Many teams in the history of this league have had success getting to the playoffs with a mediocre quarterback. We have some good enough talent around Alex, that all he needs to do is not turn the ball over and play smart football. If we make the playoffs it will be a team effort, with every player on the field contributing to our success.

History smistory

The last 5 Superbowls have had
Drew Breese
Peyton Manning
Kurt Warner
Ben Rothlesburger
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlesburger
Matt Hassleback (when he was really good)

All but 1 QB in the last 5 SB's was a stud, that one who wasn't a stud (grossman I think) lost.

Exactly kill that whole team talk this is a qb driven league. The 02 Ravens defense is not coming out of any teams locker room. you need a stud or a guy on a hot streak playing like one.

I voted for Frank Gore, but I want to change my vote to Brian Jennings. I didn't see his option there.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SoMovedOn:

Originally posted by bigmike55:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Kind of a dumb question...Obviously everything falls on Alex Smith. How he performs will determine whether we even make it OR not. Only time will tell.

Kind of is an understatement. This is a quarterback driven league. Good quarterbacks lead their teams to the playoffs and more. It's a fact.

I beg to differ. Many teams in the history of this league have had success getting to the playoffs with a mediocre quarterback. We have some good enough talent around Alex, that all he needs to do is not turn the ball over and play smart football. If we make the playoffs it will be a team effort, with every player on the field contributing to our success.

History smistory

The last 5 Superbowls have had
Drew Breese
Peyton Manning
Kurt Warner
Ben Rothlesburger
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlesburger
Matt Hassleback (when he was really good)

All but 1 QB in the last 5 SB's was a stud, that one who wasn't a stud (grossman I think) lost.

Exactly kill that whole team talk this is a qb driven league. The 02 Ravens defense is not coming out of any teams locker room. you need a stud or a guy on a hot streak playing like one.

In Big Ben's first SB it was Jerome Bettis' team, dont kid yourself into thinking he was the difference... all he needed to know was how to run a trick play that year. The run game and defense of the Steelers beat the hawks at their offensive height.

Eli was good but the Giants D was ridiculous that year with their front four, and needed a miracle to win that game, and their D are the ones who kept them in a position to win it. As well as a dropped int by Asante Samuel. Eli "should" of lost that game for them but shoulda, woulda, coulda means nothing.

Peyton won because the colts D went from worst against the run in the reg season to completely shutting teams down in the playoffs. The Colts D was playing lights out in those playoffs and their run game was great with Addai and Rhodes making Peyton less of a factor.

Look at the most ridiculous seasons QB's have had and most of them end up losing in the playoffs, the only one two QBs I can think of that had absurdly great years AND won the superbowl are Kurt Warner with the Rams and Drew Brees last year. Look at Farvre last year, Brady when he broke the points record, Brees the year before last, Peyton when he was breaking TD records.

Don't get me wrong, Good QB's GET you to the playoffs where you have a chance... but more often than not a team's defense and running game are gonna get them to and win the Superbowl than the QB. Look at Vegas for the truth Odds-makers go with the top defense over the top QB the majority of the time. (unless your QB is Rex Grossman )

Super Bowl? Super Bowl...You kidding me? Super Bowl?!

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SoMovedOn:

Originally posted by bigmike55:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Kind of a dumb question...Obviously everything falls on Alex Smith. How he performs will determine whether we even make it OR not. Only time will tell.

Kind of is an understatement. This is a quarterback driven league. Good quarterbacks lead their teams to the playoffs and more. It's a fact.

I beg to differ. Many teams in the history of this league have had success getting to the playoffs with a mediocre quarterback. We have some good enough talent around Alex, that all he needs to do is not turn the ball over and play smart football. If we make the playoffs it will be a team effort, with every player on the field contributing to our success.

History smistory

The last 5 Superbowls have had
Drew Breese
Peyton Manning
Kurt Warner
Ben Rothlesburger
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlesburger
Matt Hassleback (when he was really good)

All but 1 QB in the last 5 SB's was a stud, that one who wasn't a stud (grossman I think) lost.

Exactly kill that whole team talk this is a qb driven league. The 02 Ravens defense is not coming out of any teams locker room. you need a stud or a guy on a hot streak playing like one.

In Big Ben's first SB it was Jerome Bettis' team, dont kid yourself into thinking he was the difference... all he needed to know was how to run a trick play that year. The run game and defense of the Steelers beat the hawks at their offensive height.

Eli was good but the Giants D was ridiculous that year with their front four, and needed a miracle to win that game, and their D are the ones who kept them in a position to win it. As well as a dropped int by Asante Samuel. Eli "should" of lost that game for them but shoulda, woulda, coulda means nothing.

Peyton won because the colts D went from worst against the run in the reg season to completely shutting teams down in the playoffs. The Colts D was playing lights out in those playoffs and their run game was great with Addai and Rhodes making Peyton less of a factor.

Look at the most ridiculous seasons QB's have had and most of them end up losing in the playoffs, the only one two QBs I can think of that had absurdly great years AND won the superbowl are Kurt Warner with the Rams and Drew Brees last year. Look at Farvre last year, Brady when he broke the points record, Brees the year before last, Peyton when he was breaking TD records.

Don't get me wrong, Good QB's GET you to the playoffs where you have a chance... but more often than not a team's defense and running game are gonna get them to and win the Superbowl than the QB. Look at Vegas for the truth Odds-makers go with the top defense over the top QB the majority of the time. (unless your QB is Rex Grossman )

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SoMovedOn:

Originally posted by bigmike55:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Kind of a dumb question...Obviously everything falls on Alex Smith. How he performs will determine whether we even make it OR not. Only time will tell.

Kind of is an understatement. This is a quarterback driven league. Good quarterbacks lead their teams to the playoffs and more. It's a fact.

I beg to differ. Many teams in the history of this league have had success getting to the playoffs with a mediocre quarterback. We have some good enough talent around Alex, that all he needs to do is not turn the ball over and play smart football. If we make the playoffs it will be a team effort, with every player on the field contributing to our success.

History smistory

The last 5 Superbowls have had
Drew Breese
Peyton Manning
Kurt Warner
Ben Rothlesburger
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Ben Rothlesburger
Matt Hassleback (when he was really good)

All but 1 QB in the last 5 SB's was a stud, that one who wasn't a stud (grossman I think) lost.

Exactly kill that whole team talk this is a qb driven league. The 02 Ravens defense is not coming out of any teams locker room. you need a stud or a guy on a hot streak playing like one.

In Big Ben's first SB it was Jerome Bettis' team, dont kid yourself into thinking he was the difference... all he needed to know was how to run a trick play that year. The run game and defense of the Steelers beat the hawks at their offensive height.

Eli was good but the Giants D was ridiculous that year with their front four, and needed a miracle to win that game, and their D are the ones who kept them in a position to win it. As well as a dropped int by Asante Samuel. Eli "should" of lost that game for them but shoulda, woulda, coulda means nothing.

Peyton won because the colts D went from worst against the run in the reg season to completely shutting teams down in the playoffs. The Colts D was playing lights out in those playoffs and their run game was great with Addai and Rhodes making Peyton less of a factor.

Look at the most ridiculous seasons QB's have had and most of them end up losing in the playoffs, the only one two QBs I can think of that had absurdly great years AND won the superbowl are Kurt Warner with the Rams and Drew Brees last year. Look at Farvre last year, Brady when he broke the points record, Brees the year before last, Peyton when he was breaking TD records.

Don't get me wrong, Good QB's GET you to the playoffs where you have a chance... but more often than not a team's defense and running game are gonna get them to and win the Superbowl than the QB. Look at Vegas for the truth Odds-makers go with the top defense over the top QB the majority of the time. (unless your QB is Rex Grossman )

So it's coincidence then huh? It's coincidence that all these SB teams, and EVERY wining SB team over the last 5 years, has what is currently, or was previously, labeled an elite QB?

Make all the excuses you want, facts are facts. SB winning teams for nearly 2 decades have all had an elite QB except for 2 teams with yearly dominant defenses.

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI
Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XLIII
Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints - SB XLIV

There is a reason for that.

#55 will win us a couple games by producing turnovers.

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

haha never gets old.

-9fA

Originally posted by WINiner:


So it's coincidence then huh? It's coincidence that all these SB teams, and EVERY wining SB team over the last 5 years, has what is currently, or was previously, labeled an elite QB?

Make all the excuses you want, facts are facts. SB winning teams for nearly 2 decades have all had an elite QB except for 2 teams with yearly dominant defenses.

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI
Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XLIII
Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints - SB XLIV

There is a reason for that.

This is a topic that can be argued all day, was it the QB that made the running game and defense look good or the other way around. My point is that the QB is not the sole reason teams win the superbowl, and allot of those QB's had amazing teams around them to become great.

The Cowboys and the Niners were ridiculously stacked teams all around, they didn't win on the shoulders of their QB's, they had everything you could want in a supporting cast.

Prime example: When state-proclaimed Colorado God John Elway was playing by himself he lost 3 superbowls... you give him 2000 yard rusher Terrell Davis and a defense led by Romo and they instantly win 2 SB's... wierd.

Complete teams win championships. QB's can't win championships in spite of the team, but teams can win championships in spite of their QB's. Of the teams listed which ones had a mediocre defense and running game? none. Which ones had mediocre QB's? 2.

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by WINiner:


So it's coincidence then huh? It's coincidence that all these SB teams, and EVERY wining SB team over the last 5 years, has what is currently, or was previously, labeled an elite QB?

Make all the excuses you want, facts are facts. SB winning teams for nearly 2 decades have all had an elite QB except for 2 teams with yearly dominant defenses.

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI
Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XLIII
Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints - SB XLIV

There is a reason for that.

This is a topic that can be argued all day, was it the QB that made the running game and defense look good or the other way around. My point is that the QB is not the sole reason teams win the superbowl, and allot of those QB's had amazing teams around them to become great.

The Cowboys and the Niners were ridiculously stacked teams all around, they didn't win on the shoulders of their QB's, they had everything you could want in a supporting cast.

Prime example: When state-proclaimed Colorado God John Elway was playing by himself he lost 3 superbowls... you give him 2000 yard rusher Terrell Davis and a defense led by Romo and they instantly win 2 SB's... wierd.

Complete teams win championships. QB's can't win championships in spite of the team, but teams can win championships in spite of their QB's. Of the teams listed which ones had a mediocre defense and running game? none. Which ones had mediocre QB's? 2.

Would those teams have had such a good running game minus their QB? I don't think you give the position the credit it deserves personally. There is a reason it is the most highly sought after and highest paid position in the league.

For the most part, this team has sufficient players at every position. We are a bit thin on the corners, a bit inexperienced on the oline, we lack that elite sack master. Other than that we have better than average players at every position, and players who could be considered elite if the team were to come together.

We have a good running game. We have a good defense. We have a mediocre QB. We still don't win more than we loose.

Originally posted by bigmike55:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Kind of a dumb question...Obviously everything falls on Alex Smith. How he performs will determine whether we even make it OR not. Only time will tell.

Kind of is an understatement. This is a quarterback driven league. Good quarterbacks lead their teams to the playoffs and more. It's a fact.

Regardless. You understand my point.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by WINiner:


So it's coincidence then huh? It's coincidence that all these SB teams, and EVERY wining SB team over the last 5 years, has what is currently, or was previously, labeled an elite QB?

Make all the excuses you want, facts are facts. SB winning teams for nearly 2 decades have all had an elite QB except for 2 teams with yearly dominant defenses.

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI
Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XLIII
Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints - SB XLIV

There is a reason for that.

This is a topic that can be argued all day, was it the QB that made the running game and defense look good or the other way around. My point is that the QB is not the sole reason teams win the superbowl, and allot of those QB's had amazing teams around them to become great.

The Cowboys and the Niners were ridiculously stacked teams all around, they didn't win on the shoulders of their QB's, they had everything you could want in a supporting cast.

Prime example: When state-proclaimed Colorado God John Elway was playing by himself he lost 3 superbowls... you give him 2000 yard rusher Terrell Davis and a defense led by Romo and they instantly win 2 SB's... wierd.

Complete teams win championships. QB's can't win championships in spite of the team, but teams can win championships in spite of their QB's. Of the teams listed which ones had a mediocre defense and running game? none. Which ones had mediocre QB's? 2.

Would those teams have had such a good running game minus their QB? I don't think you give the position the credit it deserves personally. There is a reason it is the most highly sought after and highest paid position in the league.

For the most part, this team has sufficient players at every position. We are a bit thin on the corners, a bit inexperienced on the oline, we lack that elite sack master. Other than that we have better than average players at every position, and players who could be considered elite if the team were to come together.

We have a good running game. We have a good defense. We have a mediocre QB. We still don't win more than we loose.

Oh yeah, it's still the most valuable position, and teams can't win year in and year out without a consistent and solid QB. It's just not the be all end all for a championship. There's no doubt that it would help to have an elite QB, but QB's tend to get more credit then they deserve in good times and more excuses than they deserve in the bad times. It's understandable, QB's are the face of the franchise and why would a team throw their bread-winner under a bus. But IMO its easier to win in the playoffs (not talking reg season) with an average QB and a great team than a great QB and an average team.

Originally posted by WINiner:


Make all the excuses you want, facts are facts. SB winning teams for nearly 2 decades have all had an elite QB except for 2 teams with yearly dominant defenses.

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI
Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XLIII
Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints - SB XLIV

There is a reason for that.

Ah... but did all of those QBs start out well, hmmm????

Troy Aikman - first 38 games

14-24 -- record
618 -- completions / 1,055 -- attempts
58.2 -- completion %
7,082 -- yards
31 -- touchdowns / 46 -- interceptions
69.6 -- QB rating
90 -- sacks

Alex Smith - first 43 games

16-24 -- record
660 -- completions / 1,172 -- attempts
56.3 -- completion %
37 -- touchdowns / 43 -- interceptions
69.2 -- QB rating
103 -- sacks

Steve Young - first 38 games

7-18 -- record
358 -- completions / 671 -- attempts
53.2 -- completion %
24 -- touchdowns / 24 interceptions
78.8 -- QB rating
84 -- sacks

Eli Manning - first 41 games

20-19 -- record
690 -- completions / 1,276 -- attempts
52.9 -- completion %
54 -- touchdowns / 34 interceptions
69.4 -- QB rating
66 -- sacks

It may not happen this season, but Smith will likely be the next QB to have struggled and then brought some major postseason success to his team. Deal with it... live it... love it... get on board with it.

It's a team effort, but the QB has got to lead the team. It sounds like he's finally ready. Let's get on with it!