Is Ted Lelie another Ashley Ginn?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by susweel:
Lelie was a good WR he was just not used correctly because we didn't have a good OC.

Now that we have a Raye one of the best OC's in the NFL Im sure we can use Ginn correctly.

When was it that Jimmy Raye became an all world OC? I must have missed that update.

I have to agree with this. And also I don't think Lelie was given as much of a chance on the field to make a true judgment on him. Shoot, Lelie runs one bad route (against Pittsburgh) and the Zone was ready to crucify him. We had Jim Hostler when Lelie was here, I think he would've benefited more with Norv Turner or Mike Martz and even Jimmy Raye as the OC.

On top of that McCloughan signs Brandon freaking Jones.

But back on topic, I don't think Ginn Jr. will be as one dimensional as Lelie was thought to be. Ginn Jr. can run as much or more routes than most receivers on our team, he just has to learn to catch.

Is Alex Leaf another Ryan Smith?

When Lelie was here our beat reciever was...maybe Norris? He simply wasn't going to take on the #1 corner. Ginn will be the 4th option behind Crabtree, Davis, and Morgan. Second thing is that for all of Sing's flaws, he does seem to have the ability to get the most out of underachievers. Nolan couldn't get the 7th overall pick to even respect his teammates or coaches in practice. 3 cintinuity for the QB in the system will work to his advantage, and finally the new O-line will hopefully give him the time to get downfield. He may be key to the Playaction this year. I'm hoping for 450-550 yards recieving and 3 TDs. That would be excellent from a 5th round trade

Hell be better simply because he's a threat as a KR. Also, I think Ginn has more drive to be a player in this league than Lelie did. I dont expect the world from Ginn but as 3rd to 4th options he's not a bad one to have.

guys have you all forgot we got ted ginn jr for a 5th rd pick a 9th overall pick only 3 years ago we get for a 5th rd pick how many rookies from 5th rd will excel to be a weekly starter in league lol yes he had trouble catching in miami as wr but i garantee that will be tought and if he cant learn 49ers will still use him to show another rout to defences becouse ginn is fast and excels in running long routs

Originally posted by Dominate:
Lelie was a one trick pony. A super poor mans Randy Moss. Just throw it deep. Ginn however can play all over the field and is a better route runner than Lelie. Ginn`s more compact frame allows him to get in and out of his breaks much faster than the long lanky frame of Lelie. Ginn is much more versatile and should be a great compliment to our WR corps.

Ted Ginn certainly appreciates you saying he is a better route runner than anyone.

Originally posted by Antix:
Hell be better simply because he's a threat as a KR. Also, I think Ginn has more drive to be a player in this league than Lelie did. I dont expect the world from Ginn but as 3rd to 4th options he's not a bad one to have.

What he said........

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by susweel:
Lelie was a good WR he was just not used correctly because we didn't have a good OC.

Now that we have a Raye one of the best OC's in the NFL Im sure we can use Ginn correctly.

When was it that Jimmy Raye became an all world OC? I must have missed that update.

I have to agree with this. And also I don't think Lelie was given as much of a chance on the field to make a true judgment on him. Shoot, Lelie runs one bad route (against Pittsburgh) and the Zone was ready to crucify him. We had Jim Hostler when Lelie was here, I think he would've benefited more with Norv Turner or Mike Martz and even Jimmy Raye as the OC.

On top of that McCloughan signs Brandon freaking Jones.

But back on topic, I don't think Ginn Jr. will be as one dimensional as Lelie was thought to be. Ginn Jr. can run as much or more routes than most receivers on our team, he just has to learn to catch.

I was actually being sarcastic.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by susweel:
Lelie was a good WR he was just not used correctly because we didn't have a good OC.

Now that we have a Raye one of the best OC's in the NFL Im sure we can use Ginn correctly.

When was it that Jimmy Raye became an all world OC? I must have missed that update.

I have to agree with this. And also I don't think Lelie was given as much of a chance on the field to make a true judgment on him. Shoot, Lelie runs one bad route (against Pittsburgh) and the Zone was ready to crucify him. We had Jim Hostler when Lelie was here, I think he would've benefited more with Norv Turner or Mike Martz and even Jimmy Raye as the OC.

On top of that McCloughan signs Brandon freaking Jones.

But back on topic, I don't think Ginn Jr. will be as one dimensional as Lelie was thought to be. Ginn Jr. can run as much or more routes than most receivers on our team, he just has to learn to catch.

I was actually being sarcastic.

Don't worry, I got it.

From Curtis Conway to DJAX, to Ted Ginn (and all the TRASH in between).

We have a ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE track record of signing, drafting, trading for WRs. You can argue about coaching all you want, however, we suck at getting quality WRs.
The only decent WR we got was A. Bryant, and we let him walk. Lloyd, Lelie, B. Jones, DJAX, Conway, washed up I. Bruce, A. Battle, B. Williams.... The list goes on and on. How pathetic. If you follow football then you know these guys were not very good, not consistent, or their play was obviously declining. The teams who benefited trading us crap players for draft picks are smart.

The truth is that Ginn is not going to dominate anyone and be a star WR. It is NOT going to happen no matter what system he is in. He can't catch the ball very well, period. I think he just runs too fast and cannot control his body enough to adjust to the ball. I would prefer J. Hill over Ginn, who should only be used as a returner. We just have to hope he doesn't fumble punts like he did in Miami.

We do run a lot of WR screens so I would be comfortable tossing Ginn some of those. He could be handy in reverses, trick plays, etc. If we still had the WILD NINER, he could be used for those.

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by Snider8706:
Title of this thread=FAIL!!

It's Ted ginn and Ashley lelie.


And no ginn will actually contribute more than warming the bench.

Joke went over your head lol

lelie was expected to be a starter
ginn is expected to be #4 at most behind Crabtree, Morgan and Hill.

As long as he does a good job returning I'm happy

ginn will be number 3

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
From Curtis Conway to DJAX, to Ted Ginn (and all the TRASH in between).

We have a ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE track record of signing, drafting, trading for WRs. You can argue about coaching all you want, however, we suck at getting quality WRs.
The only decent WR we got was A. Bryant, and we let him walk. Lloyd, Lelie, B. Jones, DJAX, Conway, washed up I. Bruce, A. Battle, B. Williams.... The list goes on and on. How pathetic. If you follow football then you know these guys were not very good, not consistent, or their play was obviously declining. The teams who benefited trading us crap players for draft picks are smart.

The truth is that Ginn is not going to dominate anyone and be a star WR. It is NOT going to happen no matter what system he is in. He can't catch the ball very well, period. I think he just runs too fast and cannot control his body enough to adjust to the ball. I would prefer J. Hill over Ginn, who should only be used as a returner. We just have to hope he doesn't fumble punts like he did in Miami.

We do run a lot of WR screens so I would be comfortable tossing Ginn some of those. He could be handy in reverses, trick plays, etc. If we still had the WILD NINER, he could be used for those.

Well, although I think we could all agree that the Niners have been lacking good WRs for a long time, I would still disagree with you on some points, not to mention you leaving out our current starters out of your supposed track record, who were both drafted by the team.

First of all, sadly, the Niners are not alone in this. If you look only at first-round WRs drafted in the last decade, you will find, from around forty WRs drafted in the first round, there are exactly three superstuds: Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson. There also some decent guys and guys with potential, but that is it.

From nearly forty guys in the last ten years from the entire NFL in the first round, only three star WRs? If you want to talk about terrible track record, this is what you should be talking about (btw, the Niners added to this by drafting superdud Rahaun Woods during that span).

Then, there have not been a multitude of teams supposedly being smart by trading us their WRs for picks, because there has been exactly one team we traded with to get a WR to San Francisco and that was Seattle, all other guys were free agent acquisitions.

And lastly, I would guess that nearly everyone here is full well aware that Ginn will not be a star WR for us. He does not need to be. He was brought in a specifically as a return guy and on kick returns, he has shown that he can do that in the NFL, which he will do for us as well. On punt returns he is competing with some of our rookies, but after last years horrible "fair catch inside the 10 yard"-nightmare, whoever will return punts can only improve things…

I guess it may look like some of the guys are getting a little too excited about Ginn because he is a speedster and deep threat, adding some deep speed to our offense, but I believe that those guys are also aware that he will be our third WR at best (and I still think Jason Hill should get a good look at that job as well) and even as our No. 3 WR he would only be our fifth-best receiving threat (after Davis, Crabtree, Gore and Morgan). So if he gets maybe 30-40 receptions, around 400 yards and a TD or two as our No. 3 WR and No.5 receiver , I would think he would exceeded expectations and I would be very thrilled with those stats. Now guess what: Those were his receiving stats last year (38 rec, 454 yds, 1 TD, to be exact)

Originally posted by NoOffseason:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
From Curtis Conway to DJAX, to Ted Ginn (and all the TRASH in between).

We have a ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE track record of signing, drafting, trading for WRs. You can argue about coaching all you want, however, we suck at getting quality WRs.
The only decent WR we got was A. Bryant, and we let him walk. Lloyd, Lelie, B. Jones, DJAX, Conway, washed up I. Bruce, A. Battle, B. Williams.... The list goes on and on. How pathetic. If you follow football then you know these guys were not very good, not consistent, or their play was obviously declining. The teams who benefited trading us crap players for draft picks are smart.

The truth is that Ginn is not going to dominate anyone and be a star WR. It is NOT going to happen no matter what system he is in. He can't catch the ball very well, period. I think he just runs too fast and cannot control his body enough to adjust to the ball. I would prefer J. Hill over Ginn, who should only be used as a returner. We just have to hope he doesn't fumble punts like he did in Miami.

We do run a lot of WR screens so I would be comfortable tossing Ginn some of those. He could be handy in reverses, trick plays, etc. If we still had the WILD NINER, he could be used for those.

Well, although I think we could all agree that the Niners have been lacking good WRs for a long time, I would still disagree with you on some points, not to mention you leaving out our current starters out of your supposed track record, who were both drafted by the team.

First of all, sadly, the Niners are not alone in this. If you look only at first-round WRs drafted in the last decade, you will find, from around forty WRs drafted in the first round, there are exactly three superstuds: Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson. There also some decent guys and guys with potential, but that is it.

From nearly forty guys in the last ten years from the entire NFL in the first round, only three star WRs? If you want to talk about terrible track record, this is what you should be talking about (btw, the Niners added to this by drafting superdud Rahaun Woods during that span).

Then, there have not been a multitude of teams supposedly being smart by trading us their WRs for picks, because there has been exactly one team we traded with to get a WR to San Francisco and that was Seattle, all other guys were free agent acquisitions.

And lastly, I would guess that nearly everyone here is full well aware that Ginn will not be a star WR for us. He does not need to be. He was brought in a specifically as a return guy and on kick returns, he has shown that he can do that in the NFL, which he will do for us as well. On punt returns he is competing with some of our rookies, but after last years horrible "fair catch inside the 10 yard"-nightmare, whoever will return punts can only improve things…

I guess it may look like some of the guys are getting a little too excited about Ginn because he is a speedster and deep threat, adding some deep speed to our offense, but I believe that those guys are also aware that he will be our third WR at best (and I still think Jason Hill should get a good look at that job as well) and even as our No. 3 WR he would only be our fifth-best receiving threat (after Davis, Crabtree, Gore and Morgan). So if he gets maybe 30-40 receptions, around 400 yards and a TD or two as our No. 3 WR and No.5 receiver , I would think he would exceeded expectations and I would be very thrilled with those stats. Now guess what: Those were his receiving stats last year (38 rec, 454 yds, 1 TD, to be exact)

Agreed.

And trading a throw away pick for him could turn out to be genius in retrospect.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by crazzyscotsman:
guys have you all forgot we got ted ginn jr for a 5th rd pick a 9th overall pick only 3 years ago we get for a 5th rd pick how many rookies from 5th rd will excel to be a weekly starter in league lol yes he had trouble catching in miami as wr but i garantee that will be tought and if he cant learn 49ers will still use him to show another rout to defences becouse ginn is fast and excels in running long routs

Exactly.

See Ginn for what he is. He's a very talented special teams guy (one of the most explosive KR in the game) with near world-class speed who can score from any place on the field at anytime. However, he's also not a proven PR and is not a natural pass catcher (I'm being nice), which means his contributions in the last two areas will likely be minimal.

So for a 5th round pick we acquired a veteran/proven special teamer and potential (though not exactly reliable) big-play WR/vertical threat.

Sounds like a fair trade to me, if you have the ability to see him for what he is and not expect (falsely) much more than that.

Does Elmer Fudd have trouble with the letter R