Why hasn't McCloughan made more trades?

Trades in the last two years Link

Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:


Thank you for bringing some good info to the thread.

Happy to help, Lott--although it is mere speculation at this point ;) That said, you raised a good universal point. Approaching this from an economist's mindset, there should be more trading within the league.

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:


Thank you for bringing some good info to the thread.

Happy to help, Lott--although it is mere speculation at this point ;) That said, you raised a good universal point. Approaching this from an economist's mindset, there should be more trading within the league.

I think it makes sense, in many ways, for teams to get veteran players that fit your system and get rid of equally talented players that fit your trading partners scheme and neither has to give up draft picks. When I saw the amount of players moving from team to team, it seemed strange that we weren't using that avenue as well.

I have heard it said numerous times that trades for players are not easily made. There is a lot that goes into it as far as saleries go. We also have a young nucleous that I don't think we want to touch, and we value our draft picks. For all of you who want to make a trade for a player who whould you trade? Crabtree? No Morgan I'd rather not. Hopefully we infuse the line this year and a few other positions if possible, and our talent continues to grow.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:


Enough said. DO NOT TRADE.

Who is that Jamie Brown?

Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
Trades in the last two years Link

Yeah all those trades really worked out well. Well they didn't wihth the execption of Vilma.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Maybe because he wasn't interested in making trades just for the sake of making trades to appease the silly, whiny fanbase.

PIA 9er sounds like the 'whiny' person here. It's a legit question. After all, how are we supposed to win the superbowl if we don't do something to out-perform the other 31 teams? Teams don't win the superbowl by luck. Trades are one of the few ways to out-perform the other teams. Walsh was able to build a great team in large extent through great trades. In 1986 he had the best draft of all-time by utilizing several trade-downs because he knew where the real value was that year (rd3 & 4). Walsh won the first superbowl becuase of a trade for Fred Dean. We won our last two superbowls in large part because of the Steve Young trade. Walsh got the best WR ever in trade! Also by making good trades you build a good team, and makes FA's to want to come here, & FA's will take less $.

I believe McC doesn't make many trades because:
1. He doesn't really understand what he needs to win, so he really doesn't go after anything. Instead he usually just sits there and takes BPA. A good GM like Walsh would say 'we need that great WR' etc and trade up for Rice, etc.
2. McC is afraid the screw up. He's always defending himself (always rosy glasses). McC's mentor (Ron Wolf) made tons of trades at GB, but McC is afraid, because if the trade goes wrong, people say "McC really screwed that one up". If you just sit there they don't blame you as much, so it's less risky as a GM.
3. McC doesn't understand value, so he's afraid to trade down. Great GM's like Walsh and Wolf traded down more than they trade up. McC rarely trades down.

I love McC as head scout, he's just not very good as the final word on trades and FA (ie. not as GM)



Obviously, no trade is better than a bad trade (ask the warriors). But McC doesn't really know how to finagle good trades.

Let's see......Clements, Smith, Lewis, TKO. Picking up these guys in free agency was a good move, maybe he dosen't want to waste picks when he can pick up a helpfull piece that way. Someone said "Look at the Redskins" and he's right. It hasn't helped them. I don't see the value in trading picks unless it's an unique situation. I'd rather draft and develop our players and pick up players like Scott does to fill the holes. People harp on Scott and I thinks he's been pretty damn good for us. People need to stop thinking real football is like Madden. All those things you and I can do in the game, doesn't really work in the real world game. Or we would all be superstar GM's.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Maybe because he wasn't interested in making trades just for the sake of making trades to appease the silly, whiny fanbase.

PIA 9er sounds like the 'whiny' person here. It's a legit question. After all, how are we supposed to win the superbowl if we don't do something to out-perform the other 31 teams? Teams don't win the superbowl by luck. Trades are one of the few ways to out-perform the other teams. Walsh was able to build a great team in large extent through great trades. In 1986 he had the best draft of all-time by utilizing several trade-downs because he knew where the real value was that year (rd3 & 4). Walsh won the first superbowl becuase of a trade for Fred Dean. We won our last two superbowls in large part because of the Steve Young trade. Walsh got the best WR ever in trade! Also by making good trades you build a good team, and makes FA's to want to come here, & FA's will take less $.

I believe McC doesn't make many trades because:
1. He doesn't really understand what he needs to win, so he really doesn't go after anything. Instead he usually just sits there and takes BPA. A good GM like Walsh would say 'we need that great WR' etc and trade up for Rice, etc.
2. McC is afraid the screw up. He's always defending himself (always rosy glasses). McC's mentor (Ron Wolf) made tons of trades at GB, but McC is afraid, because if the trade goes wrong, people say "McC really screwed that one up". If you just sit there they don't blame you as much, so it's less risky as a GM.
3. McC doesn't understand value, so he's afraid to trade down. Great GM's like Walsh and Wolf traded down more than they trade up. McC rarely trades down.

I love McC as head scout, he's just not very good as the final word on trades and FA (ie. not as GM)



Obviously, no trade is better than a bad trade (ask the warriors). But McC doesn't really know how to finagle good trades.

Agree 100% Maxwell. If you're old enough, you can remember, as I do, when good GM's like Walsh were playing Madden in real life and making multiple deals before, during and after the draft. I believe your three reasons are right on the money plus another possibility is that Scot overestimates the exsisting talent on the roster, mostly picked by him, so he doesn't see a need.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Maybe because he wasn't interested in making trades just for the sake of making trades to appease the silly, whiny fanbase.

PIA 9er sounds like the 'whiny' person here. It's a legit question. After all, how are we supposed to win the superbowl if we don't do something to out-perform the other 31 teams? Teams don't win the superbowl by luck. Trades are one of the few ways to out-perform the other teams. Walsh was able to build a great team in large extent through great trades. In 1986 he had the best draft of all-time by utilizing several trade-downs because he knew where the real value was that year (rd3 & 4). Walsh won the first superbowl becuase of a trade for Fred Dean. We won our last two superbowls in large part because of the Steve Young trade. Walsh got the best WR ever in trade! Also by making good trades you build a good team, and makes FA's to want to come here, & FA's will take less $.

I believe McC doesn't make many trades because:
1. He doesn't really understand what he needs to win, so he really doesn't go after anything. Instead he usually just sits there and takes BPA. A good GM like Walsh would say 'we need that great WR' etc and trade up for Rice, etc.
2. McC is afraid the screw up. He's always defending himself (always rosy glasses). McC's mentor (Ron Wolf) made tons of trades at GB, but McC is afraid, because if the trade goes wrong, people say "McC really screwed that one up". If you just sit there they don't blame you as much, so it's less risky as a GM.
3. McC doesn't understand value, so he's afraid to trade down. Great GM's like Walsh and Wolf traded down more than they trade up. McC rarely trades down.

I love McC as head scout, he's just not very good as the final word on trades and FA (ie. not as GM)



Obviously, no trade is better than a bad trade (ask the warriors). But McC doesn't really know how to finagle good trades.

And you do? Well by all means, you should talk to Jed, tell him all about your football acumen, and get him to fire McCloughan so you can take over and lead this franchise to greatness.

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:

And you do? Well by all means, you should talk to Jed, tell him all about your football acumen, and get him to fire McCloughan so you can take over and lead this franchise to greatness.

Yes I do. Good idea. Do you have Jed's contact info ?

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:

And you do? Well by all means, you should talk to Jed, tell him all about your football acumen, and get him to fire McCloughan so you can take over and lead this franchise to greatness.

Yes I do. Good idea. Do you have Jed's contact info ?

In fact I do. 1-800-EAT-s**t.

Originally posted by BigDaddy:

Let's see......Clements, Smith, Lewis, TKO. Picking up these guys in free agency was a good move, maybe he dosen't want to waste picks when he can pick up a helpfull piece that way. Someone said "Look at the Redskins" and he's right. It hasn't helped them. I don't see the value in trading picks unless it's an unique situation. I'd rather draft and develop our players and pick up players like Scott does to fill the holes. People harp on Scott and I thinks he's been pretty damn good for us. People need to stop thinking real football is like Madden. All those things you and I can do in the game, doesn't really work in the real world game. Or we would all be superstar GM's.

I agree, it's not easy. But this is the N F f**kin L!!! We are competing with the best in the world! So far McC has been mediocre (not good enough), and that won't will you superbowls (or playoff games).

There are three ways to acquire talent and out-achieve the other teams:
1. Draft: ........... McC has been a mediocre 8-8 GM with the draft (at best) (grade=C)
2. Free Agency: .... I agree that McC has done well in FA. (grade=A-)
3. Trades: ...........McC has done nothing to increase value with his trades (grade =C or D).

SO WHERE WAS OUR BOY WHEN JASON PETERS WAS UP FOR GRABS???? THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO SCREW UP, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PRETTY SAFE TRADE!!!

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:

And you do? Well by all means, you should talk to Jed, tell him all about your football acumen, and get him to fire McCloughan so you can take over and lead this franchise to greatness.

Yes I do. Good idea. Do you have Jed's contact info ?

In fact I do. 1-800-EAT-s**t.

I wasn't joking. I want Jed's number..... not your mothers.

How bout trading out of the 1st round and drafting Desean Jackson and picking up an extra pick instead of wasting our 1st 2 picks on Kentwaan "waste of a pick balmer" and Chilo "same look as Kwame" Rachal. The list goes on and on McCloughan is a certified jackass. He traded that pick to N.E. to get Staley instead of just keeping it and getting Ryan Clady who would have been there with our original pick and is better than Staley. Then we go and resign Staley and Willis isn't even signed yet WTF is this guys problem. Bear Pascoe, Reggie Smith, what a waste of picks. We should have drafted a return man in any of the last 3 drafts. We have a moron as GM he needs to go bottom line.