Joe Montana vs. Tom Brady

Originally posted by jimrat201:
Montana could have won a couple more if it where'nt for Roger Craigs fumble and some s**tty officiating against Washington.

It hurts to admit, but I don't believe we would have beaten the Raiders if we had gotten past Washington. The Raiders were peaking and we were just getting by. We had to come from behind the week before to beat Detroit at home.

But I agree he we would have abused Buffalo if we had gone to Superbowl 25 . . . except Young would have started because of Leonard Marshall's hit. Joe got effed up.

Originally posted by jimrat201:
Montana could have won a couple more if it where'nt for Roger Craigs fumble and some s**tty officiating against Washington.

Nah, if Craig didnt fumble, and we had won, Steve Young would have been starting....Remember that is the game where Marshall destroyed Montana from behind?

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by jimrat201:
Montana could have won a couple more if it where'nt for Roger Craigs fumble and some s**tty officiating against Washington.

Nah, if Craig didnt fumble, and we had won, Steve Young would have been starting....Remember that is the game where Marshall destroyed Montana from behind?

That Marshall hit looks like the same hit Favre took............Ouch!

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by jimrat201:
Montana could have won a couple more if it where'nt for Roger Craigs fumble and some s**tty officiating against Washington.

Nah, if Craig didnt fumble, and we had won, Steve Young would have been starting....Remember that is the game where Marshall destroyed Montana from behind?

Dude!!! Don't remind me!!! >:(

Elite teams play for playoff berths and Super Bowls. So here's the playoff records for the QB's who are usually involved in the "Greatest Ever" discussion: Joe, Marino, Elway, Manning and Brady.

Montana: 16-7 .695 Winning % (4) Super Bowls
Brady:14-4 .777 Winning % (3) Super Bowls
Elway: 14-7 .666 Winning % (2) Super Bowls
Manning 9-9 .500 Winning % (1) Super Bowl
Marino 8-10 .444 Winning % (0) Super Bowl

To me this puts a lot of things into perspective. Manning is a great regular season guy, but when the lights get bright and the games meant more, he's a .500 QB. Of course a lot goes into the reasons why he may have lost some of those games, but for a guy who is regularly viewed as the prototype for the QB of the future and viewed by quite a few as the Greatest, his W-L record is not too impressive in the playoffs. And of course W/L is not the only way to gauge someones greatness, but it does help.

Marino never won because he never showed up in the playoffs either. I think Manning will win another SB but it will end up being the same discussion between him and Brady like it is for Montana and Elway. Brady is the best QB since Joe Montana and considering he has never had a whole lot of top shelf Pro Bowl talent on offense with him, his body of work may give him the bump if he can win a few more SB's.

Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Elite teams play for playoff berths and Super Bowls. So here's the playoff records for the QB's who are usually involved in the "Greatest Ever" discussion: Joe, Marino, Elway, Manning and Brady.

Montana: 16-7 .695 Winning % (4) Super Bowls
Brady:14-4 .777 Winning % (3) Super Bowls
Elway: 14-7 .666 Winning % (2) Super Bowls
Manning 9-9 .500 Winning % (1) Super Bowl
Marino 8-10 .444 Winning % (0) Super Bowl

To me this puts a lot of things into perspective. Manning is a great regular season guy, but when the lights get bright and the games meant more, he's a .500 QB. Of course a lot goes into the reasons why he may have lost some of those games, but for a guy who is regularly viewed as the prototype for the QB of the future and viewed by quite a few as the Greatest, his W-L record is not too impressive in the playoffs. And of course W/L is not the only way to gauge someones greatness, but it does help.

Marino never won because he never showed up in the playoffs either. I think Manning will win another SB but it will end up being the same discussion between him and Brady like it is for Montana and Elway. Brady is the best QB since Joe Montana and considering he has never had a whole lot of top shelf Pro Bowl talent on offense with him, his body of work may give him the bump if he can win a few more SB's.

at the end of his career Peyton Manning will own all meaningful QB records, most yards, most TDs, most MVPs. won't have postseason success on par with Brady and Montana barring an Elway-like finish to his career. but i believe it's not a sure thing Brady will go down as the better QB, as Manning does have a ring, and never had as good a head coach or defense, so I don't automatically agree with your claim that Brady is the best QB since Joe.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Elite teams play for playoff berths and Super Bowls. So here's the playoff records for the QB's who are usually involved in the "Greatest Ever" discussion: Joe, Marino, Elway, Manning and Brady.

Montana: 16-7 .695 Winning % (4) Super Bowls
Brady:14-4 .777 Winning % (3) Super Bowls
Elway: 14-7 .666 Winning % (2) Super Bowls
Manning 9-9 .500 Winning % (1) Super Bowl
Marino 8-10 .444 Winning % (0) Super Bowl

To me this puts a lot of things into perspective. Manning is a great regular season guy, but when the lights get bright and the games meant more, he's a .500 QB. Of course a lot goes into the reasons why he may have lost some of those games, but for a guy who is regularly viewed as the prototype for the QB of the future and viewed by quite a few as the Greatest, his W-L record is not too impressive in the playoffs. And of course W/L is not the only way to gauge someones greatness, but it does help.

Marino never won because he never showed up in the playoffs either. I think Manning will win another SB but it will end up being the same discussion between him and Brady like it is for Montana and Elway. Brady is the best QB since Joe Montana and considering he has never had a whole lot of top shelf Pro Bowl talent on offense with him, his body of work may give him the bump if he can win a few more SB's.

at the end of his career Peyton Manning will own all meaningful QB records, most yards, most TDs, most MVPs. won't have postseason success on par with Brady and Montana barring an Elway-like finish to his career. but i believe it's not a sure thing Brady will go down as the better QB, as Manning does have a ring, and never had as good a head coach or defense, so I don't automatically agree with your claim that Brady is the best QB since Joe.

I forgot to put in that Brady is the best QB since Montana IMO. My fault on that. Being a 49er fan, I think post season and SB performance holds a lot more weight to me than individual records. Peyton can have those. I truly think Brady could care less about that stuff. As a 49er fan growing up, I think Brady's measuring stick will always be SB's since that's what was viewed as a successful season around these parts till we decided to sh1t ourselves with bad coaches and front office personnel.

You know what everybody. I think Montana was better, because of the superbowls. But i have to say, if i could choose anyone in NFL history (after our beloved niners) to be on my team, it would be Tom Brady. This guy is the IDEAL player, and a modern version of Montana. The guy has class to sell. The most humble down to earth workaholic in the league.

i love listening to his interviews because he's all about getting to where he needs to go. No bla bla, no problems, no showboat, just plain football. He's all about the team and winning.

You really couldn't ask more from a player. As much as i don't want the patriots to win, Brady is a great player.

Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Elite teams play for playoff berths and Super Bowls. So here's the playoff records for the QB's who are usually involved in the "Greatest Ever" discussion: Joe, Marino, Elway, Manning and Brady.

Montana: 16-7 .695 Winning % (4) Super Bowls
Brady:14-4 .777 Winning % (3) Super Bowls
Elway: 14-7 .666 Winning % (2) Super Bowls
Manning 9-9 .500 Winning % (1) Super Bowl
Marino 8-10 .444 Winning % (0) Super Bowl

To me this puts a lot of things into perspective. Manning is a great regular season guy, but when the lights get bright and the games meant more, he's a .500 QB. Of course a lot goes into the reasons why he may have lost some of those games, but for a guy who is regularly viewed as the prototype for the QB of the future and viewed by quite a few as the Greatest, his W-L record is not too impressive in the playoffs. And of course W/L is not the only way to gauge someones greatness, but it does help.

Marino never won because he never showed up in the playoffs either. I think Manning will win another SB but it will end up being the same discussion between him and Brady like it is for Montana and Elway. Brady is the best QB since Joe Montana and considering he has never had a whole lot of top shelf Pro Bowl talent on offense with him, his body of work may give him the bump if he can win a few more SB's.

And quite a few of Brady's wins at the end of the game was made by the kicker and not Brady.

Originally posted by rudedog:

Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Elite teams play for playoff berths and Super Bowls. So here's the playoff records for the QB's who are usually involved in the "Greatest Ever" discussion: Joe, Marino, Elway, Manning and Brady.

Montana: 16-7 .695 Winning % (4) Super Bowls
Brady:14-4 .777 Winning % (3) Super Bowls
Elway: 14-7 .666 Winning % (2) Super Bowls
Manning 9-9 .500 Winning % (1) Super Bowl
Marino 8-10 .444 Winning % (0) Super Bowl

To me this puts a lot of things into perspective. Manning is a great regular season guy, but when the lights get bright and the games meant more, he's a .500 QB. Of course a lot goes into the reasons why he may have lost some of those games, but for a guy who is regularly viewed as the prototype for the QB of the future and viewed by quite a few as the Greatest, his W-L record is not too impressive in the playoffs. And of course W/L is not the only way to gauge someones greatness, but it does help.

Marino never won because he never showed up in the playoffs either. I think Manning will win another SB but it will end up being the same discussion between him and Brady like it is for Montana and Elway. Brady is the best QB since Joe Montana and considering he has never had a whole lot of top shelf Pro Bowl talent on offense with him, his body of work may give him the bump if he can win a few more SB's.

And quite a few of Brady's wins at the end of the game was made by the kicker and not Brady.[/quote]


They still won the superbowl. You don't win a game with 1 kick. It takes 60 minutes of hard fought football to get there.

Montana is better than Brady, but you gotta admit........Brady is accomplished a LOT with less talent around him.

Montana had better coaching, better receivers, a better backfield, and a better defense to work with.

The only reason I give Montana the edge is because Montana beat teams with his arm when push came to shove, whereas Brady had the luxury of Adam Vinatieri's legs.

Montana is great, but you gotta respect Brady....

If you look at straight super bowl wins there's Bradshaw 4 Montana 4 Brady 3


Montana grew up just outside of Pittsburgh, Bradshaw fan? Brady grew up in the bay a Montana fan, weird

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Montana is better than Brady, but you gotta admit........Brady is accomplished a LOT with less talent around him.

Montana had better coaching, better receivers, a better backfield, and a better defense to work with.

The only reason I give Montana the edge is because Montana beat teams with his arm when push came to shove, whereas Brady had the luxury of Adam Vinatieri's legs.

Montana is great, but you gotta respect Brady....

Exactly. Brady is in the argument. He doesn't win the argument for me but no doubt about it the dude is nearing that same level.

Brady is the only one that comes close to Joe. Manning is soo overated. The media is so biased also. #8 of top 100? All time? C'mon

Manning is a good QB. But he has performed for the most part in an indoor stadium. This creates a track meet all the time for his WR, RB and TE. Sure he still needs to make the reads, see the Blitz hit the open guy, but his stats out doors are not the same.

Brady is much better than Manning. Played his entire career outside, in the snow with guys like troy brown, walker, woodhead and a couple of rookie TE's. And when he got a HOF WR like Moss, he set all kinds of records.

However, I think Brady can surpass Joe if he wins two more SB's.

Tom Brady has never won ever SB by a winning drive and by more than 3 points