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hofer36 · 2009-12-20T17:37:44-08:00

started out bad with special teams giving up a long return on opening kickoff... defense allowed two drives to eagles of about 90 yards each...the pass rush last week was gone today, mcnabb had time to eat a sandwich on most plays...he had great time on the 2 picks he threw..at games end defense couldnt get offense the ball back, letting mcnabb hit celek on 3rd & 7 special teams got nice return by morgan to open 2nd half but i dont know why niners even send a punt returner back there...the best he will do i fumble, there is little to no chance of a decent return offense was not good, though it looked like it might be at start with nice gains to walker and davis... the oline is TERRIBLE---Niners are not going to do anything with any qb as long as they cannot pass block for him...snyder negates a nice gain to morgan by drawing penalty for illegal man downfield---he was on opposite side of line to where pass was thrown, and had no impact on it (so why was he getting downfield too soon) crabtree messed up goalline play (at least it appeared that he did) was going to get bubble screen, but instead went to block down towards the defe end--so smith had no where to go with the ball walker's fumble was HUGE---cost niners chance to go up 10-7, negating possible big momentum shift davis is great athlete and all but still hasnt picked up nuamces of game, as johnstone remarked, on pass over middle late in game wher davis didnt use the ref as a pick t get seperation smith was off on his throws no doubt, but the way singletary went after davis on 1st pick, i have to wonder if vernon was not where he was supposed to be...the 2nd pick was a great play by samuel, i'm not sure how much smith can be faulted because it looked like the read he mad was right, throwing to the receiver...not sure how qb can anticipate samuel doing what he did (and it was 3rd & 9, Niners were not faring well, so smith was trying to make a play---it was kind of like when later in game he threw down towards goalline and the corner knocked down the pass to crabtree--siragusa said he liked fact that niners were at least throwing downfield...the 3rd pick was under heavy pressure but no way smith should throw the ball, the pass was terrible (if it was accurate gore might make some yards) gore had great game but missed chance for big play on screen pass when he got tripped up (not his fault--but winning teams have guys who make plays in such situations) the coaches did not distinguish them selves either....when they were down they brought gore & norris in and it was obvious the play was going to be a run...the blitz pickup was not improved until 2nd half...singletary and staff dont get time management....singletary was going to waste timeout when eagles were going to score, and then they let precious seconds run off on last drive before getting clock stopped for measurement despite all this niners were in game, pulling within 1 score....2 4th down conversions were made, and the defense got turnover to help give them a chance what i take from this game is that niners arent there yet, but could get there with productive offseason

Dec 20, 2009 at 7:56 PM

#16

FredFlintstone
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Originally posted by ImaMod:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
i seriously hope merriman and mankins hit fa so we can use picks on making this team fast overall. we need a wr who can just flat out burn a cb thus making it easier for crabtree and morgan. when your te is your deep threat you know your in trouble. adding a spiller or even bush if available is the right step.

So its bad that we have a TE thats too fast for a LB and too big for a safety??

Having a TE thats a deep threat is a huge weapon..Its very tough to cover a TE with that much athleticism..

having a fast te is good but dont you think its a problem having no speed wrs???? whos our deep threat a wr who can open space for possession wrs like we have in crabtree and morgan?

Dec 20, 2009 at 8:00 PM

#17

9erred
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To me the Eagles where a measuring stick to how far the niner have come, and how far they have to go. Lets face the facts, the Eagles have had the same Head Coach, Starting QB for 10 years. The Niners have had at least 8 starting qb's in that time frame, and numerous head coachs and offensive coordinators.

The result is Philadelphia is now a franchise the niners need to learn from. The Eagles sign all of their core players years before their contract is set to expire. They just re upped Celek, a TE who fits their mold.

The team also drafts better, or at least develops their draft picks better than the niners do. This all comes down to consistency, something the niners lack.

I had to laugh at all of the zoners who though we would be picking around slot 23 in the draft this year. They need to take off the rose colored glass's.

Dec 20, 2009 at 8:04 PM

#18

ttime1
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Originally posted by 9erred:
To me the Eagles where a measuring stick to how far the niner have come, and how far they have to go. Lets face the facts, the Eagles have had the same Head Coach, Starting QB for 10 years. The Niners have had at least 8 starting qb's in that time frame, and numerous head coachs and offensive coordinators.

The result is Philadelphia is now a franchise the niners need to learn from. The Eagles sign all of their core players years before their contract is set to expire. They just re upped Celek, a TE who fits their mold.

The team also drafts better, or at least develops their draft picks better than the niners do. This all comes down to consistency, something the niners lack.

I had to laugh at all of the zoners who though we would be picking around slot 23 in the draft this year. They need to take off the rose colored glass's.

Good point. BUt, I don't think that this team is any less talented; other than the QB play. In fact, this team has a better RB and Lb's than the Eagles.

Dec 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM

#19

ptw1
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Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by 9erred:
To me the Eagles where a measuring stick to how far the niner have come, and how far they have to go. Lets face the facts, the Eagles have had the same Head Coach, Starting QB for 10 years. The Niners have had at least 8 starting qb's in that time frame, and numerous head coachs and offensive coordinators.

The result is Philadelphia is now a franchise the niners need to learn from. The Eagles sign all of their core players years before their contract is set to expire. They just re upped Celek, a TE who fits their mold.

The team also drafts better, or at least develops their draft picks better than the niners do. This all comes down to consistency, something the niners lack.

I had to laugh at all of the zoners who though we would be picking around slot 23 in the draft this year. They need to take off the rose colored glass's.

Good point. BUt, I don't think that this team is any less talented; other than the QB play. In fact, this team has a better RB and Lb's than the Eagles.

Switch OL and I think you would have a different opinion.

Dec 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM

#20

OnTheClock
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Originally posted by crzy:
You're only as good as your starting quarterback in the NFL.

Tell that to Brett Favre tonight.

Or Ben Roethlisberger, another Super Bowl QB, all year.

Or any other top QB with a losing or .500 team.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Dec 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM ]

Dec 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM

#21

ttime1
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Originally posted by ptw1:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by 9erred:
To me the Eagles where a measuring stick to how far the niner have come, and how far they have to go. Lets face the facts, the Eagles have had the same Head Coach, Starting QB for 10 years. The Niners have had at least 8 starting qb's in that time frame, and numerous head coachs and offensive coordinators.

The result is Philadelphia is now a franchise the niners need to learn from. The Eagles sign all of their core players years before their contract is set to expire. They just re upped Celek, a TE who fits their mold.

The team also drafts better, or at least develops their draft picks better than the niners do. This all comes down to consistency, something the niners lack.

I had to laugh at all of the zoners who though we would be picking around slot 23 in the draft this year. They need to take off the rose colored glass's.

Good point. BUt, I don't think that this team is any less talented; other than the QB play. In fact, this team has a better RB and Lb's than the Eagles.

Switch OL and I think you would have a different opinion.

Sorry, I don't buy that. Gore had over a 100 yards on only 16 caries and I saw Smith wallk right into a sack. Smith is Sorry and the sooner this team realizes it, the better.

Dec 20, 2009 at 9:24 PM

#22

Bobbi9698
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Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by crzy:
You're only as good as your starting quarterback in the NFL.

Makes you wonder how the Seahawks were in the Superbowl a few years ago with their three time pro bowl QB but just got beat by a 1-13 team today to go 5-9 on the season doesn't it. Or how last years super bowl winner, the same team that beat the Seahwaks in the previously mentioned super bowl, lost 5 games in a row going into today's game.

That all happened in the NFL, right?

And, guess what, those retards beat us...oh yeah, we suck...

Dec 20, 2009 at 9:26 PM

#23

Bobbi9698
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Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by ptw1:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by 9erred:
To me the Eagles where a measuring stick to how far the niner have come, and how far they have to go. Lets face the facts, the Eagles have had the same Head Coach, Starting QB for 10 years. The Niners have had at least 8 starting qb's in that time frame, and numerous head coachs and offensive coordinators.

The result is Philadelphia is now a franchise the niners need to learn from. The Eagles sign all of their core players years before their contract is set to expire. They just re upped Celek, a TE who fits their mold.

The team also drafts better, or at least develops their draft picks better than the niners do. This all comes down to consistency, something the niners lack.

I had to laugh at all of the zoners who though we would be picking around slot 23 in the draft this year. They need to take off the rose colored glass's.

Good point. BUt, I don't think that this team is any less talented; other than the QB play. In fact, this team has a better RB and Lb's than the Eagles.

Switch OL and I think you would have a different opinion.

Sorry, I don't buy that. Gore had over a 100 yards on only 16 caries and I saw Smith wallk right into a sack. Smith is Sorry and the sooner this team realizes it, the better.

He has been a BUST for years, but there are folks (like the owners) who are in total denial about him... all you have to do is look at his W-L record and his TD to INT records to know the story...

Dec 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM

#24

sacniner
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by crzy:
You're only as good as your starting quarterback in the NFL.

Tell that to Brett Favre tonight.

Or Ben Roethlisberger, another Super Bowl QB, all year.

Or any other top QB with a losing or .500 team.

Or the Trent Dilfer who won a superbowl.

Dec 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM

#25

dj43
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Originally posted by ImaMod:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
i seriously hope merriman and mankins hit fa so we can use picks on making this team fast overall. we need a wr who can just flat out burn a cb thus making it easier for crabtree and morgan. when your te is your deep threat you know your in trouble. adding a spiller or even bush if available is the right step.

So its bad that we have a TE thats too fast for a LB and too big for a safety??

Having a TE thats a deep threat is a huge weapon..Its very tough to cover a TE with that much athleticism..

But his speed does no good if he won't challenge for the ball or run his routes properly.

Dec 20, 2009 at 10:02 PM

#26

LasVegasWally
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The Eagles exposed most of our weaknesses. Play calling was below average. Receivers couldn't get separation. The Oline was inconsistent. they opening up a few running lanes for Gore but gave up sacks and pressures on Smith Our QB played poorly. Snyder is a career backup.

Our D played below average. We must get a quality RT in the draft or FA. And we still need a big time pass rusher.

Dec 20, 2009 at 10:10 PM

#27

sincalfaithful
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ImaMod:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
i seriously hope merriman and mankins hit fa so we can use picks on making this team fast overall. we need a wr who can just flat out burn a cb thus making it easier for crabtree and morgan. when your te is your deep threat you know your in trouble. adding a spiller or even bush if available is the right step.

So its bad that we have a TE thats too fast for a LB and too big for a safety??

Having a TE thats a deep threat is a huge weapon..Its very tough to cover a TE with that much athleticism..
But his speed does no good if he won't challenge for the ball or run his routes properly.

so the ball wasn't underthrown at all?

Dec 21, 2009 at 12:42 AM

#28

hofer36
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Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by 9erred:
To me the Eagles where a measuring stick to how far the niner have come, and how far they have to go. Lets face the facts, the Eagles have had the same Head Coach, Starting QB for 10 years. The Niners have had at least 8 starting qb's in that time frame, and numerous head coachs and offensive coordinators.

The result is Philadelphia is now a franchise the niners need to learn from. The Eagles sign all of their core players years before their contract is set to expire. They just re upped Celek, a TE who fits their mold.

The team also drafts better, or at least develops their draft picks better than the niners do. This all comes down to consistency, something the niners lack.

I had to laugh at all of the zoners who though we would be picking around slot 23 in the draft this year. They need to take off the rose colored glass's.

Good point. BUt, I don't think that this team is any less talented; other than the QB play. In fact, this team has a better RB and Lb's than the Eagles.

i didnt see mcnabb get sacked by an all pro def end who was unblocked, like trent cole did to smith....hanson was untouched on at least two corner blitzes...gore missed a block allowing smith to get dumped..snyder was totally beat by a def end who ran right by him
and btw singletary placed alot of the 1st interception on davis...football is a team game

Dec 21, 2009 at 12:49 AM

#29

WillistheWall
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Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ImaMod:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
i seriously hope merriman and mankins hit fa so we can use picks on making this team fast overall. we need a wr who can just flat out burn a cb thus making it easier for crabtree and morgan. when your te is your deep threat you know your in trouble. adding a spiller or even bush if available is the right step.

So its bad that we have a TE thats too fast for a LB and too big for a safety??

Having a TE thats a deep threat is a huge weapon..Its very tough to cover a TE with that much athleticism..
But his speed does no good if he won't challenge for the ball or run his routes properly.

so the ball wasn't underthrown at all?

it was definitely underthrown but Matt Moore threw a ball behind a TE and some random TE went back to get the ball and wound up getting a bunch of yards after the catch. The fact of the matter is its his job to go back to the ball and atleast try to knock it down rather than just letting the guy get the pick and I've heard that a lot. If the ball is thrown to you, and it's not perfect, you need to try to come back to make a play on the ball. It was a crappy throw but he's got to try to become the defender atleast on that play and bat the ball away.