Crabtree Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Thorhawk:
I don't see what the point is to both sides sitting with their thumbs up their asses not actively negotiating.

The stupid is strong on both sides of the fence.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

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Originally posted by KRS-1:

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Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by jame-gumb:

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Seems most teams decided to fill needs as opposed to selecting the BPA. Outside of the Jets no team traded up into the top 10, as again it is costly especially when factoring in what one has to also pay the draft pick as well.

Or they didn't think he was the bpa. The point is that the only evidence to support the fact that Crabtree was a top-3 talent was that analysts said he was.

My point: I don't care what he thinks he's worth. He's been offered a fair deal. He's holding out for more money that he won't get. What he's doing is f**king stupid. Period.

I bet there are teams out there who if they had taken him at 10 would be willing to pay him, unlike us. Why ? Probably because players with ceilings as high as his being taken at 10 don't come around or happen often if hardly ever.

And FWIW some of those analysts are former players and or NFL execs and know talent when they see it.

The league is full of history of draftee's with ceilings higher than what has come before falling right on their ass and not amounting to anything.

Those draftee's however rarely ever fall like Crabtree did.

Normally when you get a player like that you want to get him signed. Does it really seem like the 49ers really want to get Crabtree signed with their stance ?

Look here's the deal. The guy is unproven, he could be the second coming of Jerry Rice, but he damn sure isn't until he proves otherwise, which is far from an easy thing to do (making the jump from being a top talent in the collegiate's to being one in the NFL). If this was an easy correlation, there wouldn't be much issue to this s**t, people wouldn't fall or rise in the draft at all..they would be slotted and it would pan out the way it was slotted and everything would be nice and tidy. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY, TOP TALENTS IN THE COLLEGIATE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT DON'T PAN OUT AS A TOP NFL TALENT NO MATTER WHICH SLOT THEY ARE DRAFTED AT, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY HAVE FALLEN OR RISEN. IT'S A CRAP SHOOT THAT THEY WILL TRANSLATE INTO A TOP NFL TALENT.

You can't fault the organization for adhering to good business sense. They are investing in a top collegiate talent that is unproven in a league with a history full of top collegiate talents who have fallen and/or risen in the draft and have not translated into top NFL talents.


The fact is this: It's the NFL, it's an entirely different animal than the collegiates....you gotta prove yourself against the best now, every week. If you do, you get rewarded with a big contract, if you don't, your sent packing in one way or another, and you take a big cut along the way.

If we trade him for another pick and that pick busts and MC has a storied career will we still have made a move would we have adhered to a good business sense ?

Is a good business sense to not try and negotiate ? To make one offer and if the offer is balked at to walk away in hopes eventually the other side might cave and if not oh well ?

It's a team sport. Look, I want Craptree signed, not because I think he is the best, not could be the best. I could give two s**ts if he was drafted at 1, 3, 10, 60, or 200 or even came on as an undrafted FA. I want him signed because I want all the talent the team can it's hands on and I want them to get on the field and compete and then I want the best of all those to go out on Sunday and kick some ass. Craptree isn't doing any of that, hasn't done any of that in the past at this level, which makes his value (to me) less than any other talent on the team. Why?

Because, there is a standing system by which contracts are negotiated and signed in place that every single other draftee and undrafted FA in this league this year has had no problem adjusting to. That's a lot of people, and yet..here we have this ONE, ONE out of how many (500?), that somehow thinks it should be a different system for him for whatever reason. That's a crock of s**t my man, it doesn't fly when you don't have a lick of experience playing in the pro's, no matter who the f**k think you are talent wise, or anybody else thinks you are, including all the so called talent experts, GM's, ex player's or team mascots. And, it damn sure doesn't fly when you only have so many roster spots, and the competition for those spots is fierce, like it is in the NFL.

I don't know where are getting this "not negotiating" thin from. The only being done with media involvement. That doesn't translate into there is nothing going on, including negotiations.

Bottom line is that is has happened in the past that a team has negotiated outside of the slotted worth, position of the player drafted is meaningless because any way you look at that it WAS done before.

The real problem here is that there is no rookie salary cap and until there is players & agents can continue to pull this if they so choose. Our best bet would be to try and get him signed and be more aggressive in our pursuit.

From all speculation we have heard it does not sound like we are negotiating at all.

The difference is guaranteed money I broke down the average in another thread.

On average contracts are the same per position drafted like the two QB’s taken last year and this year same exact contract with a 25% increase in guaranteed money this year.

Crabs wants about a 50% increase it doesn’t work that way.

Nobody knows what Crabtree wants.

Originally posted by Thorhawk:
I don't see what the point is to both sides sitting with their thumbs up their asses not actively negotiating.

The stupid is strong on both sides of the fence.

Originally posted by battletowin:
should we budge a little and offer him more?


we dont have any threats in out WR core.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by pdxredandgold:
According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, Michael Crabtree has already decided that he won't sign for the slotted deal that the 49ers are offering.
The Niners are showing no signs of increasing their offer, so this stalemate is headed into the regular season. Crabtree seems perfectly willing to miss game action rather than sign for the No. 10 pick price.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5135

Son of a B

Crabtree update: Michael Crabtree has decided he won't sign at the market price being offered by the 49ers, a source said. It's pretty clear the 49ers aren't going to up their offer, which is roughly what the 10th pick in the draft should receive -- a five-year, $20 million deal that could max out at $26.5 million. This holdout is destined to go into the regular season, and neither side has a solution to end it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4463043&name=clayton_john&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryI

Well that's that, so who are we going to trade him to?

Good.

Originally posted by Luca:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by pdxredandgold:
According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, Michael Crabtree has already decided that he won't sign for the slotted deal that the 49ers are offering.
The Niners are showing no signs of increasing their offer, so this stalemate is headed into the regular season. Crabtree seems perfectly willing to miss game action rather than sign for the No. 10 pick price.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5135

Son of a B

f**k f**k f**k f**k FUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crabtree update: Michael Crabtree has decided he won't sign at the market price being offered by the 49ers, a source said. It's pretty clear the 49ers aren't going to up their offer, which is roughly what the 10th pick in the draft should receive -- a five-year, $20 million deal that could max out at $26.5 million. This holdout is destined to go into the regular season, and neither side has a solution to end it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4463043&name=clayton_john&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryI

Well that's that, so who are we going to trade him to?

Good.

Yes. let's get another first round pick

Originally posted by ads_2006:
Chad ocho cinco: "tough situation about crabtree, I cant comment on that because I dont know about the situation, if I [he] were in crabtrees place, I [he] would have signed a long time ago."

Originally posted by Luca:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by pdxredandgold:
According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, Michael Crabtree has already decided that he won't sign for the slotted deal that the 49ers are offering.
The Niners are showing no signs of increasing their offer, so this stalemate is headed into the regular season. Crabtree seems perfectly willing to miss game action rather than sign for the No. 10 pick price.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5135

Son of a B

Crabtree update: Michael Crabtree has decided he won't sign at the market price being offered by the 49ers, a source said. It's pretty clear the 49ers aren't going to up their offer, which is roughly what the 10th pick in the draft should receive -- a five-year, $20 million deal that could max out at $26.5 million. This holdout is destined to go into the regular season, and neither side has a solution to end it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4463043&name=clayton_john&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryI

Well that's that, so who are we going to trade him to?

Good.

Yes. let's get another first round pick

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Thorhawk:
I don't see what the point is to both sides sitting with their thumbs up their asses not actively negotiating.

The stupid is strong on both sides of the fence.

Well this is what happens when both sides dont want each other.