QB Competition

Originally posted by Squirrel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Squirrel:

Originally posted by Dirty9er:
Was there really ever a competition? All we have heard is how Alex will do this and Alex will do that. And the only thing the boy has done is stink! Even his best effort the fabled 2006 season was barffably bad. His B.S. 2-1 start in 2007 was some of the worst QBing the league has ever seen. The only thing he has done with any success is get injured. And he always seems to get injured at exactly the right time. When the wolves are closing in you better believe smith will have an injury. Then the alecuse mutton heads come out and tout what he "MIGHT HAVE DONE". Hopefully smith will be released the day after the raiders game and cure us of the nightmare that has been his time with the 9ers. Huard number 2 and Davis number 3. Smith holding a clip board in the arena league,,, naw he's too rich for that


Dirty

Do you honestly believe any of our four quarterbacks can lead this team well into the playoffs? If so, I'll have some of what you're having.

I believe we have 2 QBs that can Shaun Hill and Damon Huard...... see the thing is, we have talent of offense....we just need a QB that will put the ball in our playmaker hands with room to run.....just sustain drives and let our Defense rest.

Shaun Hill proved he could do this....and Huard has done this with weaker teams (talent wise) compared to the personnel on the 2009 49ers....

so yes, I believe we have some QBs that can lead this team well into the playoffs...we just have to play disciplined......and judging from the last 8 games last year...our penalties per game dropped....so a disciplined team with a good running game and a good defense should do fine in the playoffs.... I don't feel there are elite teams in the NFC anyway....maybe Chicago with Lovie coaching Cutler.....and maybe the Giants...although I feel Eli is overrated or atleast we can handle him.

Really? Hill has proven he can lead us into the playoffs in his 10 or so games? Wow. And, Huard? Really?

look if you're just going to blatantly LIE about something I posted then I'm just wasting my time responding to you.

this is what I wrote....take off your blinders

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we have talent of offense....we just need a QB that will put the ball in our playmaker hands with room to run.....just sustain drives and let our Defense rest.

Shaun Hill proved he could do this....

Last year Hill proved can do this.....did you watch any 9er games last season?

Originally posted by hofer36:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by BMore9ersfan:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
All this talk about Huard? Why is everyone on board his ship now? We just had a guy saying that he's a quarterback who can lead us to the playoffs.

I seriously wonder what people were saying about Dilfer in preseason.

-9fA

No one will admit it, but a couple years ago when Dilfer was signed people loved the idea. He was supposed to be the steady mentor that our young QBs needed. People also loved him after a game against Arizona back in 2007. I believe he passed for 250 yards and a couple TDs. Of course everyone will now state that they always hated Dilfer and knew from the beginning that he was garbage.

The same people that are now in love with Huard will be calling for his head the first time he throws an interception. Fickle fans....

Not really. Everyone knew Dilfer sucked but he was going against Alex Smith and no one knew what Hill could do at that time.


I'm sorry fellas, but you MUST realize that Alex Smith IS THIS BAD.

i respect your totally unbiased opinion on alex smith ..what did he do, steal your girl?....todays word of the day is obsession....i cant determine if you guys really think shaun hill is going to get the niners anywhere, or if you jst hate alex smith that much..alex smith has a chance to develop...shaun hill is mediocre at best

4 years wasted on this guy. If he weren't a #1 pick, he would be our 3rd or 2nd stringer or out of the league. We are losing valuable time with chemistry on offense because we are still babying him. Norv seriously said that there was nothing left to teach this kid when he left to SD. McCarthy up and left after one year. You don't think these guys actually believed Alex Smith could be an NFL QB? Do you know who brought Shaun Hill in, Norv.

This is his last go and believe me, if he doesn't win this competition, which it looks like he is not going to because he still hasn't changed the timing on his throws, then this kid is gone. He will stay on the team but QBs will keep passing him up and we will never have gotten back 4 years of ????? at this position because people couldn't fathom the fact that he can't absorb the information in the necessary time needed while a play develops and he refuses to throw the ball unless it's a college type of open WR.

You know, if Hill is half as bad as his haters say, and if Smith is half as bad as his haters say, we may as well trade them both and let Huard and Davis battle it out. Obviously neither Hill nor Smith can do anything.

Alex Smith's very first start was against the Oakland Raiders 4 years ago. This maybe Smith's very last start as the niners QB if he doesnt put all his skills to use in a game.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by RedAndGold4Life:
Guys, Alex is another Rashaun (bigger let down of course; wish we would have gotten Rodgers)...lets move on and give Hill the rock and the job going forward...

He would have never held up to the beating that the QB took because of the terrible pass blocking. He is nowhere near as tough as Smith, he would have been a bigger bust due to injury.

Wow that's a pretty biased answer if I ever seen one.

I stand by what I said, if Green Bay's oline let Rodgers get injured, how do you think he would have fared behind ours? Rodgers is nowhere near as mobile as Smith, and our line got him killed. I hate that these two were the best available when we had the #1 overall pick in such a weak draft, just s**tty luck for us.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
All this talk about Huard? Why is everyone on board his ship now? We just had a guy saying that he's a quarterback who can lead us to the playoffs.

I seriously wonder what people were saying about Dilfer in preseason.

-9fA

that is because they don't have a clue what they are talking about. That is the same reason that people were jumping on JTO during preseason.

JTO deserved to start last season. People can look back and second guess all they want but JTO was clearly the best QB in TC/preseason...he gave us the best chance to win going into the season. People can say that it was because he was Martz's boy...oh well. If I recall correctly, Martz was our coordinator. You can't say JTO didn't deserve to start simply because he had an advantage in Martz's system because MARTZ WAS OUR OC. You have to go back to the Martz hiring to criticize JTO as our opening day starter.

Anyway, I'm hoping we can move on from Hill v Smith after this weekend and start focusing on the more interesting QB competition; Smith v Huard/Davis.

So if you're a "Smith hater" or a "Hill hater" are you going to be angry every game the 49ers play, and the QB you like doesn't start?

There is a small minority of posters who seem to be able to cheer for the 49ers first, and care less about getting "their way" or "being right". I have to imagine this season is going to be a lot more fun for us, than those who seem to have so much invested in one QB over the other.

Back to the swordfight!

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/2009/08/smith-to-get-fi.html?mi_rss=49ers%20Blog%20and%20Q%26A

Just a reminder

Originally posted by 49erFan:
So if you're a "Smith hater" or a "Hill hater" are you going to be angry every game the 49ers play, and the QB you like doesn't start?

There is a small minority of posters who seem to be able to cheer for the 49ers first, and care less about getting "their way" or "being right". I have to imagine this season is going to be a lot more fun for us, than those who seem to have so much invested in one QB over the other.

Back to the swordfight!

I am not peeing in the same toilet as you

Originally posted by Leathaface:
You have to go back to the Martz hiring to criticize JTO as our opening day starter.

You are correct. Hiring Martz and allowing him to make JTO the starter was a mistake in hindsight. Shaun Hill, and Mike Singletary proved that last year.

Originally posted by 49erFan:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
You have to go back to the Martz hiring to criticize JTO as our opening day starter.

You are correct. Hiring Martz and allowing him to make JTO was a mistake in hindsight. Shaun Hill proved that last year.

Nolan was a desperate coach making desperate decisions.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
backontop: I actually was hoping the Niners would draft Davis in the 3rd round. He would have been a 1st round pick except that the word got out that he has Dyslexia and just about the same time he had two poor games at the end of the college season. They were I believe 12-0 and Davis was being talked about as a early 1st round pick or at least a 2nd rounder,but then he got really sick before his 2nd to last game and he sucked it up and tried to play anyway(because he carried the team almost entirely on his shoulders alone) but he played poorly and they lost their 1st game. Then in their bowl game Davis has his first poor game of the year (when healthy) and worries that he played poorly in the biggest pressure game of his life helped him drop out of the 1st round (along with the Dyslexia hysteria).
At least 6 months before the draft I was hoping the Niners would draft this stud as out QB of the future. I was deleriously happy when we hit the jackpot and got him in the 5th round ,because of the Dyslexia rumors etc).
He is very accurate and has the quickest release possible and throws rockets with a beautiful over the top motion and is a scrambler and runner and a great team leader. What more could you ask,except that he bring all of that to the NFL field? Hopefully for all of us fans,he does just that and in 2010 or 11 he is our starting QB.

Hopefully he can work out for us, a lot of the same things that you are saying about him are what the experts were saying about Smith coming out of college. Checking their college stats, they are almost identical type numbers. Davis threw more picks than Smith, but Smith was probably on a better team. But let's not count our chickens before they hatch, his learning disability might be a lot to overcome. He has to be able to learn the playbook. From the way you speak of him, it sounds like he is some relation or you are an alum of Ball State.

Davis has a quicker release and stronger arm. Davis also turned a crap team into a winner whereas it's beginning to look more and more like it was more Urban Meyer than Alex Smith.

I am pretty sure that Smith was the one throwing the passes. His problems started when he was drafted by a team that had no idea of how to develop a QB. I know it is pointless to try to make you see anything positive about Smith, but Davis has shown even less than Smith to this point and there are folks getting ahead of themselves in their praise for him. I will reserve judgment until he actually makes the team. He has a huge disadvantage with his learning disability, so his success would be a nice feel good story for the niners, and after all the crappy luck we have had with QB's in the past decade, we deserve a break.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Squirrel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Squirrel:

Originally posted by Dirty9er:
Was there really ever a competition? All we have heard is how Alex will do this and Alex will do that. And the only thing the boy has done is stink! Even his best effort the fabled 2006 season was barffably bad. His B.S. 2-1 start in 2007 was some of the worst QBing the league has ever seen. The only thing he has done with any success is get injured. And he always seems to get injured at exactly the right time. When the wolves are closing in you better believe smith will have an injury. Then the alecuse mutton heads come out and tout what he "MIGHT HAVE DONE". Hopefully smith will be released the day after the raiders game and cure us of the nightmare that has been his time with the 9ers. Huard number 2 and Davis number 3. Smith holding a clip board in the arena league,,, naw he's too rich for that


Dirty

Do you honestly believe any of our four quarterbacks can lead this team well into the playoffs? If so, I'll have some of what you're having.

I believe we have 2 QBs that can Shaun Hill and Damon Huard...... see the thing is, we have talent of offense....we just need a QB that will put the ball in our playmaker hands with room to run.....just sustain drives and let our Defense rest.

Shaun Hill proved he could do this....and Huard has done this with weaker teams (talent wise) compared to the personnel on the 2009 49ers....

so yes, I believe we have some QBs that can lead this team well into the playoffs...we just have to play disciplined......and judging from the last 8 games last year...our penalties per game dropped....so a disciplined team with a good running game and a good defense should do fine in the playoffs.... I don't feel there are elite teams in the NFC anyway....maybe Chicago with Lovie coaching Cutler.....and maybe the Giants...although I feel Eli is overrated or atleast we can handle him.

Really? Hill has proven he can lead us into the playoffs in his 10 or so games? Wow. And, Huard? Really?

look if you're just going to blatantly LIE about something I posted then I'm just wasting my time responding to you.

this is what I wrote....take off your blinders

Quote:
we have talent of offense....we just need a QB that will put the ball in our playmaker hands with room to run.....just sustain drives and let our Defense rest.

Shaun Hill proved he could do this....

Last year Hill proved can do this.....did you watch any 9er games last season?

If you're going to accuse me of lying, you better make sure I did.

I asked Dirty if he felt that we had any quarterbacks that could lead this team well into the playoffs.

You responded, "I believe we have 2 QBs that can Shaun Hill and Damon Huard."

My response was questioning whether you honestly thought that either Hill or Huard could lead the team deep into the playoffs. Now, perhaps you could enlighten me on how that is a "LIE" per your assessment.

Personally, I don't think that is a "LIE" as much as it is a disagreement to your feeble assessment of our quarterbacks.

With all these posts about Nate Davis and Huard the mods should rename this thread-
Starting QB Competition.

Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
You know, if Hill is half as bad as his haters say, and if Smith is half as bad as his haters say, we may as well trade them both and let Huard and Davis battle it out. Obviously neither Hill nor Smith can do anything.

Well the haters/jock riders (or whatever ridiculous title you wanna assign them) are just a vocal minority. The truth of the matter is we have a couple of mediocre QB's, a journeyman back up, and an unproven rookie with a learning disability. Our best hope for this season is for the defense to come out and dominate along with the running attack. If one of the QB's can manage to not suck it up, we might make the playoffs, but going deep into the playoffs is not likely with any of the QB's on our roster. The majority of the fans will get behind whoever the QB is in hope that he will minimize mistakes and be able to hit the open guy. Realistically though, the playoffs are withing reach due to our division, but until we have an improvement in the starting QB situation, going more than a game or two into the playoffs would be a minor miracle.