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  • krizay
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well for starters they had AA/Buck both top 17 picks. Traded for Ford a former 1st rd pick, spent money on Hardgrave. Spent a top 15 pick on Kinlaw. 2nd overall pick on Bosa, traded for young who was the 2nd overall pick etc etc. they've used draft picks plenty…either through the draft or trading them away.

They've been trying to add high end talent there for years in every way possible.

outside of trading for CMC…it's been who? Day 2/3 picks, UDFAs, barebones signings…and overall they've been one of the better run offenses for years.

yes they did try. Unfortunately, Ford got hurt. And unfortunately Hargrave got hurt. Unfortunately Kinlaw was a d continued to get hurt. See a pattern here?

As for the RB yes running offense was legit without a top back. However the offense as a whole took off one we got that top end RB. Sane as last year, yes rushing offense was OK. But the offense as a whole suffered without that top back.
  • krizay
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I asked you a question. Which position gets hurt more RB or DL. You know what the answer is..yet you won't reply.

lol juice a FB who has about 15 rushing attempts a yr.

I don't even know what question you asked? I just told you of all the DL they've spent up for. They value that, shocker I know.

I will answer your question in the most NY way I can.

Of course the player that touches the ball 400 times a year gets hurt more than the guy who tackles the ball carrier 40 times a year.
Originally posted by krizay:
yes they did try. Unfortunately, Ford got hurt. And unfortunately Hargrave got hurt. Unfortunately Kinlaw was a d continued to get hurt. See a pattern here?

As for the RB yes running offense was legit without a top back. However the offense as a whole took off one we got that top end RB. Sane as last year, yes rushing offense was OK. But the offense as a whole suffered without that top back.

how about we use some context? Hardgrave was already 8 yrs into the league when they signed him before dealing with a massive injury. Dude was on his 3rd contract.

Ford and Kinlaw both massive injury concerns before they even stepped foot in SF. That's just bad evaluating.

49ers made it to a SB with freaking Mostert AND a dominant DL.

I could argue the offense took a step back in part because our LT was injured a ton of the time. Our WR1 tore his ACL. Deebo isn't Deebo anymore and our defense sucked, which put our offense in unfavorable positions.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by krizay:
Fun Fact:
In 8 years this regime has waited on RBs. They drafted 5. None of them has had a 1,000 yard season. In fact, only 1 has 1,000 career yards.

In 8 years this regime has selected 2 DT in the 1st round.

Thomas's best season for us was
42 tackles
3 sacks
11 QB hits

Kinlaw's best season for us was
25 tackles
3.5 sacks
6 QB hits

Compare that to 2 mid round DTs they drafted

DJ Jones best season for us
56 tackles
2 sacks
3 QB hits

Kentavious Street best season was(with zero starts)
29 tackles
3.5 sacks
8 QB hits

So how easy is it for them to just plug any RB in this system and how big of a difference is there between their top tier DTs and their mid round DTs?

Thomas wasn't a true DT, we all argued that for years. The only legit DT they drafted early was Kinlaw and his knees were made of mush.

Mitchell a 6th rd pick was 37 yards away from 1K but wait for it….he got hurt Toss in Breida and his 813 yards rushing (until he got hurt) and Mason's 780 yards (until he got hurt). It's almost like they shouldn't ever draft a RB and just bring in a ton of UDFAs…instead of wasting picks on a position that we go through like water.

The only thing I'll chime in with here is, what level of trench player would you take over drafting Jeanty? A 2nd round graded talent?
I feel like you're just arguing to arguing at this point.
Originally posted by krizay:
Fun Fact:
In 8 years this regime has waited on RBs. They drafted 5. None of them has had a 1,000 yard season. In fact, only 1 has 1,000 career yards.

In 8 years this regime has selected 2 DT in the 1st round.

Thomas's best season for us was
42 tackles
3 sacks
11 QB hits

Kinlaw's best season for us was
25 tackles
3.5 sacks
6 QB hits

Compare that to 2 mid round DTs they drafted

DJ Jones best season for us
56 tackles
2 sacks
3 QB hits

Kentavious Street best season was(with zero starts)
29 tackles
3.5 sacks
8 QB hits

So how easy is it for them to just plug any RB in this system and how big of a difference is there between their top tier DTs and their mid round DTs?

Another fun fact:

No RB taken in the first round in the past 15 years has been worth it.
  • krizay
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I asked you a question. Which position gets hurt more RB or DL. You know what the answer is..yet you won't reply.

lol juice a FB who has about 15 rushing attempts a yr.

I don't even know what question you asked? I just told you of all the DL they've spent up for. They value that, shocker I know.

Using any or all mocks available as a guideline. Is there any 3 player combination you would be ok with along the DL with our 5 picks in rounds 2-4?

If we went Membou at 11, what would you like us to draft along the DL later in the draft?
  • krizay
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
how about we use some context? Hardgrave was already 8 yrs into the league when they signed him before dealing with a massive injury. Dude was on his 3rd contract.

Ford and Kinlaw both massive injury concerns before they even stepped foot in SF. That's just bad evaluating.

49ers made it to a SB with freaking Mostert AND a dominant DL.

I could argue the offense took a step back in part because our LT was injured a ton of the time. Our WR1 tore his ACL. Deebo isn't Deebo anymore and our defense sucked, which put our offense in unfavorable positions.

They also made it with a dominant back and an OK DL.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The only thing I'll chime in with here is, what level of trench player would you take over drafting Jeanty? A 2nd round graded talent?

Im not spending a top 11 pick on a RB. It's really that simple. I'm really not spending a a top 11 pick on a RB when we have one startable DL and are locked into CMC thru 2027.

It's a waste of a pick and doesn't improve the team vastly imo. The history of teams drafting a RB high isn't amazing. I've given legit have a dozen reasons as to why it's a poor decision.
Originally posted by krizay:
They also made it with a dominant back and an OK DL.

But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.
1a Jihaad Campbell
49ers need to replace the steady and explosive play breaking ability, The 9'ers lost with Dre Greenlaw .Jihaad Campbell could be that player. Campbell seems like a player that could impact the game from different positions (all with the same positive impact ! for the defense) Jihaad Campbell versatility is what makes him a 3 down player.He is really good in coverage he has "Good read and reaction to challenge passing lanes", His edge rushing abilities is one of his best tools in his "tool box" People forget he was recruited as a edge rusher but because of Alabama depth there he was converted to LB.As far as playing LB (He can play all 3 position's just as well) and is just as effective blitzing the QB from any Linebacking position actually In fact J.Campbell ranks higher than D.Greenlaw when he was drafted in many categories ex.Jihaad Campbell (NFL stats) Has a 78 Production score compared to D.Greenlaw 58 when he was drafted.J.Campbell also has a higher Athleticism Scoreof 82.Compared to Greenlaws score of 66. Jihaad Campbell overall Score of 82 is much higher than Dre's score of 66."No disrespect to Greenlaw.We are grateful for what he did here.But we need to replace his production, and I believe J.Campbell could ,And not only replace Greenlaw's play ,But will bring more versatility to the Defense and bring his own unique level of PLAY MAKING Skills.

J Campbell looks more like a "Safe Bet" (if there is one) or as close as one, For a team needing both a Linebacker and or Edge Rusher (He has the making of a real good Defensive Player! or more! Would not be surprised if Campbell becomes an "ALL PRO" during his NFL Career with the team that Drafts him.
Hope its SF.

Jihaad Campbell 2024: First-team All-SEC. Led team with 117 tackles, 11.5 TFLs, 5 sacks. Tied for the team lead with 2 FFs. Started all 13 games (INT, 2 PBUs)

If SF rather Pick a Defensive Tackle

1b Walter Nolen
Would make a Ton of sense for SF to draft him with pick 11 He checks the boxes, with what the 9'ers need which is Defensive Tackles or Edge Rusher's or Linebacker. SF Need's to get the "BPA" of either Position's. Walter Nolen is ranked as the second-best Rush leading Def. Tackle in this year draft. Nolen is a (Rare Breed) of Defensive Tackle's that can legitimately Rush the QB "constantly" When you can attack the Qb from the middle ,And collapse the pocket ,"Which should end that play and (Possibly) causing a "Turnover "( When the middle of the offensive line collapses in football, the chance of a turnover increases significantly, especially if it leads to a sack and a fumble or a forced interception). This is because a collapsed center or guards exposes the quarterback, making them vulnerable to pressure and errors. It will most likely disrupt the run game as much as the pass game "We all know this"
So if SF Wants to go basic here (Trenches) nothing wrong with that. Nolen at 11.He would automatically make 49'ers Defense that much more improved from last season.

Or Trade Back in 1st

1b Kenneth Grant
This could be one of SF trade back options in the first to maybe move 6 spots or so,back and (Seen some real legit mocks having Grant going around 17th in the first But more or likely a mid to late 1st ) This would be a real good scenario for SF to trade back draft Kenneth Grant which would not be a reach from 15th pick. Kenneth Grant brings what very few Def. Tackles along with Walter Nolen that can bring the Pressure up the middle and Rush The QB that can have the devastating effect on opposing offensiveness. Actually Kenneth Grant is known for his Bull Rush but has developed other moves as well. Grant's long arm's is another side to his game in 2024 he had 5 PBU'S and 6 PBU'S in 2023 he holds Michigan all time record for PBU's. .He can offer SF another option as a "Gap eater that can plug up the middle ,But offering the rare Pressure from a nose tackle position ,btw he can play in multiple spots in odd or even fronts. Another advantage Grants brings is what SF really needs is ...Grant ability to constantly absorb and split double teams. Kenneth Grant plays with a passion for winning that mostly is seen in very special players which is not giving up on a play ie against Penn State, he chased down running back Kaytron Allen from behind – a play that perfectly encapsulated his rare blend of mass and mobility.he ran 40 yds to tackle him. this shows speed and Passion all in one.
Another Strong part of Kenneth Grant game that he brings is
  • Special teams value as interior rusher on field goal block unit - he blocked multiple kicks in high school showing natural timing

The good part of getting Kenneth Grant by moving back 6 or 8 spots in the 1st is we get our much needed Defensive Tackle and the rare Bull rushing 2 gap Eating Player with long arms to bat down passes at a above rate and still help our Special Teams (which we could use for sure and still get an extra 3 or 4th round pick.This look's like a good Deal for SF! if they want to address the D-Line with a good Player with rare ability and still add to SF picks !

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[ Edited by Makit78 on Apr 16, 2025 at 5:38 PM ]
Originally posted by krizay:
Using any or all mocks available as a guideline. Is there any 3 player combination you would be ok with along the DL with our 5 picks in rounds 2-4?

If we went Membou at 11, what would you like us to draft along the DL later in the draft?

Didn't see this.

Membou and DL back to back (obviously depends who's around) Skill players with the comp pick and day 3.

I'm sure they will trade around so who knows where they will be picking overall
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The only thing I'll chime in with here is, what level of trench player would you take over drafting Jeanty? A 2nd round graded talent?

Im not spending a top 11 pick on a RB. It's really that simple. I'm really not spending a a top 11 pick on a RB when we have one startable DL and are locked into CMC thru 2027.

It's a waste of a pick and doesn't improve the team vastly imo. The history of teams drafting a RB high isn't amazing. I've given legit have a dozen reasons as to why it's a poor decision.

Fair enough at least I understand your position, I just can't agree with it. It's like the Moneyball argument to me, at some point talent just has to matter, otherwise why have scouts?

A wasted pick is one that can't crack your starting roster and has to be replaced within their rookie deal. That's what you risk by ignoring talent or character.
[ Edited by 49erBigMac on Apr 15, 2025 at 11:05 AM ]
  • krizay
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

As I've posted here before( though not directly to you) drafting Jeanty would depend on how you feel about CMC. You clearly think he can still be that all pro back. I do not.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Fair enough at least I understand your position, I just can't agree with it. It's like the Moneyball argument to me, at some point talent just has to matter, otherwise why have scouts?

A wasted pick is one that can't crack your starting roster and has to be replaced within their rookie deal. That's what you risk by ignoring talent or character.

And that's fine.

I disagree with the statement that talent has to matter in that it's not like there isn't high end talent for this draft at an impact position of need,

I asked you earlier (not sure if you replied) if Moody's talent was some much greater than anyone else…does that mean he's with a top 100 pick?
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