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WR at #11, now that Deebo is gone? 

Mar 2, 2025 at 10:49 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Nope. Draft a stud TE and run more two TE sets. I think we go TE early.

I'll be shocked if they do that

This really is the style of footbal that we play. Short yardage, YAC, pound the rock. Lets get back to smash mouth football.
Mar 2, 2025 at 11:15 AM
Originally posted by English:
They drafted his replacement last year. Meantime the needs at dl and OL are still calling. So, no,but certainly a later pick or two.

Lots of different ways to skin a cat - this draft is weak at WR and deep at DL. Grab one of the best WR while we can in a trade down and spend rest of draft answering the calls for OL/DL.

And we didn't draft Aiyuk's replacement last year though - and now that he could be gone (and we should know by the draft) need to replace our #1 WR with another #1 WR. Cannot do that outside of the first round.

I'm still good with OL/DL/CB/LB in the 1st though.
Mar 2, 2025 at 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
f**k drafting a WR. Trenches, Trenches, Trenches, Safety, Trenches and more Trenches

We have 11 picks now in the draft. Dropping down to 15 would net us another 3rd for a total of 12 picks. If we trade Aiyuk before the draft for a 4th this year and 3rd next year that would be 13 picks. Plenty of picks to go wide receiver, trenches, trenches, trenches, safety, trenches and more trenches.

Just sayin' - I would not pigeonhole myself to not take a WR in the 1st round IF IF IF IF IF they are in love with the player and think he is BPA and going to be a star.
Mar 2, 2025 at 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Livendiea9er:
They'll take Burden at 11🤣🤣🤣
this draft will be so reminiscent of trading away DEFO and drafting javon BUSTlaw🤣🤣🤣

Prefer him in a trade back with Atlanta at #15 - but not going to lie I won't be mad if we did. Burden is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kinlaw and does not have a ****ed up knee.

But if the Niners think another player at OL/DL/CB/TE/LB?S is the BPA at whatever our spot is we should not force a WR in the 1st just because we lost Deebo and Aiyuk. There are like 10 or 11 guys I really like in the 1st round that I would not mind at all if we took.

Pearce Jr
Johnson
Graham
Grant
J Campbell
Nolen
Membou
Starks
Emanwarri
Warren
Burden
Mar 2, 2025 at 11:30 AM
This might not be the best WR draft compared with some recent ones, but there's still a bunch of mid to later round guys I like. And every year some of the guys I see as 3rd rounders slip all the way to the 6th or 7th.

To me WR is a position where you want to let the board come to you and go for value. I like GB's approach of taking one in day 2 and one day 3. Sometimes those day 3 guys are just as good.
Mar 2, 2025 at 11:35 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Honestly they should look to trade for a WR, both Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson will be free agents next season. Wonder how much they would cost?

Can't add guys ready to get paid. Gotta hit on them in the draft or fill in with cheaper vets until you can land one.

This, we aren't forking over top 5 contracts anymore. Draft and have young talent for cheaper next couple yrs.

I would take a look at Harris on day 2


end of the day if we're paying a QB elite money he's gotta make guys around him better

But Brock doesn't do that.

He is John Stockton but needs elite/superior talent to get open and distribute the ball to.

We'll still pay him elite money because we have no other effing choice. There are no good alternatives.

I'd be fine with Harris on day 2 but that would mean at 43 as doubt Harris is there at 75. At 43 so much other positional talent is available that I like better than Harris.

This is where you can grab Donovan Jackson/Milum or where you grab Umanmielum or where you can grab one of the fast/talented CBs like Porter/A'zareyah or even Darius Alexander at DL or even Makuba. I think if Jackson is not there at 43 you automatically do any fair trade down offer into the early/mid 50s

I do like Harris though but even he may not be there at 43. No guarantee Savion Williams or Jayden Higgens is there at 75 either after their good 40s so then what do we do at WR..

Point being if no Aiyuk we have no #1 WR and it is a huge need just like the trenches are. Can get trenches though anywhere in the draft... cannot get a #1 WR outside of the 1st two rounds in this draft and maybe outside of the top #15 imo.

The only #1 WRs in this class imo is TMac, Travis Hunter, and Luther Burden III. Golden is an elite #2 which wouldn't bother me to take in the 20s.

But hey maybe we don't care about having a #1 WR this year and will make do until next year's draft to address it. I'm fine with that as long as we have another great draft like last year and get great players
Mar 2, 2025 at 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
f**k drafting a WR. Trenches, Trenches, Trenches, Safety, Trenches and more Trenches

We have 11 picks now in the draft. Dropping down to 15 would net us another 3rd for a total of 12 picks. If we trade Aiyuk before the draft for a 4th this year and 3rd next year that would be 13 picks. Plenty of picks to go wide receiver, trenches, trenches, trenches, safety, trenches and more trenches.

Just sayin' - I would not pigeonhole myself to not take a WR in the 1st round IF IF IF IF IF they are in love with the player and think he is BPA and going to be a star.

History says we aren't going to be using all the picks they currently have. They probably won't be trying to collect more picks to make more selections. I'm assuming we will be trying to move up into more mid round picks.
Mar 2, 2025 at 11:42 AM
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
If they pick a WR at #11 I will punch somebody in the mouth. Offensive line and defensive line. Still the TRENCHES. But it really wouldn't surprise me at all with this team.

No it would be a WR at #14 or #15 right in front of AZ And we get Indy's #80 for our trouble or pick swap with ATL for their #46 in exchange for our #112.

#11 in exchange for #14 and #80
#11 and #112 in exchange for #15 and #46

Both very realistic trades and fair on the draft value chart.

I'd like to do either of these trades no matter who we want to select. Even trade back another few spots if the opportunity was there. Hell I'd trade out of the entire 1st round to low 30s lol
Mar 2, 2025 at 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
f**k drafting a WR. Trenches, Trenches, Trenches, Safety, Trenches and more Trenches

We have 11 picks now in the draft. Dropping down to 15 would net us another 3rd for a total of 12 picks. If we trade Aiyuk before the draft for a 4th this year and 3rd next year that would be 13 picks. Plenty of picks to go wide receiver, trenches, trenches, trenches, safety, trenches and more trenches.

Just sayin' - I would not pigeonhole myself to not take a WR in the 1st round IF IF IF IF IF they are in love with the player and think he is BPA and going to be a star.

History says we aren't going to be using all the picks they currently have. They probably won't be trying to collect more picks to make more selections. I'm assuming we will be trying to move up into more mid round picks.

Well I disagree with that strategy. Want more mid round picks trade back from #11 to the high teens and from #43 to the low 50s.

We need players. In talent and in volume.

Lynch said we need to get younger. Which means cheaper. Which means the draft.

Why not take 12-15 players if you could as long as they're really good players. There are so many areas of this team that need starters AND depth.

On our DL we only have 3 or maybe 4 decent players that we'd prob want to keep whether starter or depth - Bosa, Anderson, Okueyinonu, and maybe Collins. That means we could use 6 new DL trench players.

Most of the mock simulations I do I grab minimum 3 DL and 1 EDGE. I take EDGE at 43 with Umanmielen, DL at #75 (Alexander/Norman-Lott) OL at #99 (Belton/Pierce OT), DL at #112 (Caldwell), DL at #138 (CJ West/JJ Pegues), and a C (Majors/Monheim/McLaughlin) now at #148. That is 5 trench players in a row and 6 out of 7 trench picks after the 1st round with 3 DL, 1 EDGE, 1 OT and a C late. That doesn't even take into account any extra pick(s) for Aiyuk or a small trade back in the 1st giving us another pick at #80-90 and #115-130.

I get what history says, but is there a rule against taking 12-14 players in a draft if you have the picks? We could draft 12 players and if good they all make the squad.

We need all the picks we can get and I wouldn't trade up at all unless a player has fallen significantly and is too good to not trade up for. And you know Kyle wants to draft one of his running backs and could be Tuten this year after that 4.32 40 time plus he is a kick returner and Deebo is now gone as our KR. Tuten prob goes in the 3rd round now .
Mar 2, 2025 at 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
f**k drafting a WR. Trenches, Trenches, Trenches, Safety, Trenches and more Trenches

We have 11 picks now in the draft. Dropping down to 15 would net us another 3rd for a total of 12 picks. If we trade Aiyuk before the draft for a 4th this year and 3rd next year that would be 13 picks. Plenty of picks to go wide receiver, trenches, trenches, trenches, safety, trenches and more trenches.

Just sayin' - I would not pigeonhole myself to not take a WR in the 1st round IF IF IF IF IF they are in love with the player and think he is BPA and going to be a star.

History says we aren't going to be using all the picks they currently have. They probably won't be trying to collect more picks to make more selections. I'm assuming we will be trying to move up into more mid round picks.

Well I disagree with that strategy. Want more mid round picks trade back from #11 to the high teens and from #43 to the low 50s.

We need players. In talent and in volume.

Lynch said we need to get younger. Which means cheaper. Which means the draft.

Why not take 12-15 players if you could as long as they're really good players. There are so many areas of this team that need starters AND depth.

On our DL we only have 3 or maybe 4 decent players that we'd prob want to keep whether starter or depth - Bosa, Anderson, Okueyinonu, and maybe Collins. That means we could use 6 new DL trench players.

Most of the mock simulations I do I grab minimum 3 DL and 1 EDGE. I take EDGE at 43 with Umanmielen, DL at #75 (Alexander/Norman-Lott) OL at #99 (Belton/Pierce OT), DL at #112 (Caldwell), DL at #138 (CJ West/JJ Pegues), and a C (Majors/Monheim/McLaughlin) now at #148. That is 5 trench players in a row and 6 out of 7 trench picks after the 1st round with 3 DL, 1 EDGE, 1 OT and a C late. That doesn't even take into account any extra pick(s) for Aiyuk or a small trade back in the 1st giving us another pick at #80-90 and #115-130.

I get what history says, but is there a rule against taking 12-14 players in a draft if you have the picks? We could draft 12 players and if good they all make the squad.

We need all the picks we can get and I wouldn't trade up at all unless a player has fallen significantly and is too good to not trade up for. And you know Kyle wants to draft one of his running backs and could be Tuten this year after that 4.32 40 time plus he is a kick returner and Deebo is now gone as our KR. Tuten prob goes in the 3rd round now .

Highly unlikely you'll draft 12 players who will be starters/depth in the NFL in 1 draft. So trading up for in theory a more likely starter is the thought process. I get we need depth and to get younger but after free agency we aren't going to have enough roster spots to fit fringe roster players on it. We will likely only draft about 9 players and even then I doubt 9 players makes the final 53
Mar 2, 2025 at 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Honestly they should look to trade for a WR, both Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson will be free agents next season. Wonder how much they would cost?

Can't add guys ready to get paid. Gotta hit on them in the draft or fill in with cheaper vets until you can land one.

This, we aren't forking over top 5 contracts anymore. Draft and have young talent for cheaper next couple yrs.

I would take a look at Harris on day 2


end of the day if we're paying a QB elite money he's gotta make guys around him better

But Brock doesn't do that.

He is John Stockton but needs elite/superior talent to get open and distribute the ball to.

We'll still pay him elite money because we have no other effing choice. There are no good alternatives.

I'd be fine with Harris on day 2 but that would mean at 43 as doubt Harris is there at 75. At 43 so much other positional talent is available that I like better than Harris.

This is where you can grab Donovan Jackson/Milum or where you grab Umanmielum or where you can grab one of the fast/talented CBs like Porter/A'zareyah or even Darius Alexander at DL or even Makuba. I think if Jackson is not there at 43 you automatically do any fair trade down offer into the early/mid 50s

I do like Harris though but even he may not be there at 43. No guarantee Savion Williams or Jayden Higgens is there at 75 either after their good 40s so then what do we do at WR..

Point being if no Aiyuk we have no #1 WR and it is a huge need just like the trenches are. Can get trenches though anywhere in the draft... cannot get a #1 WR outside of the 1st two rounds in this draft and maybe outside of the top #15 imo.

The only #1 WRs in this class imo is TMac, Travis Hunter, and Luther Burden III. Golden is an elite #2 which wouldn't bother me to take in the 20s.

But hey maybe we don't care about having a #1 WR this year and will make do until next year's draft to address it. I'm fine with that as long as we have another great draft like last year and get great players
Burden isn't coming in here and being the #1 WR day one & spending a top #15 on a WR in a class that you yourself called weak makes no sense.
Mar 2, 2025 at 12:25 PM
No. I think the Niners stay pat and go DL or OL at #11 (with the possibility of a trade down). If they trade Aiyuk, there may be a TE at #11 (or a trade down to procure 2 DL/OL and a WR or TE) along with the possibility of a vet FA WR. Lot's of scenarios looming in the future
Mar 2, 2025 at 1:03 PM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
f**k drafting a WR. Trenches, Trenches, Trenches, Safety, Trenches and more Trenches

We have 11 picks now in the draft. Dropping down to 15 would net us another 3rd for a total of 12 picks. If we trade Aiyuk before the draft for a 4th this year and 3rd next year that would be 13 picks. Plenty of picks to go wide receiver, trenches, trenches, trenches, safety, trenches and more trenches.

Just sayin' - I would not pigeonhole myself to not take a WR in the 1st round IF IF IF IF IF they are in love with the player and think he is BPA and going to be a star.

History says we aren't going to be using all the picks they currently have. They probably won't be trying to collect more picks to make more selections. I'm assuming we will be trying to move up into more mid round picks.

Well I disagree with that strategy. Want more mid round picks trade back from #11 to the high teens and from #43 to the low 50s.

We need players. In talent and in volume.

Lynch said we need to get younger. Which means cheaper. Which means the draft.

Why not take 12-15 players if you could as long as they're really good players. There are so many areas of this team that need starters AND depth.

On our DL we only have 3 or maybe 4 decent players that we'd prob want to keep whether starter or depth - Bosa, Anderson, Okueyinonu, and maybe Collins. That means we could use 6 new DL trench players.

Most of the mock simulations I do I grab minimum 3 DL and 1 EDGE. I take EDGE at 43 with Umanmielen, DL at #75 (Alexander/Norman-Lott) OL at #99 (Belton/Pierce OT), DL at #112 (Caldwell), DL at #138 (CJ West/JJ Pegues), and a C (Majors/Monheim/McLaughlin) now at #148. That is 5 trench players in a row and 6 out of 7 trench picks after the 1st round with 3 DL, 1 EDGE, 1 OT and a C late. That doesn't even take into account any extra pick(s) for Aiyuk or a small trade back in the 1st giving us another pick at #80-90 and #115-130.

I get what history says, but is there a rule against taking 12-14 players in a draft if you have the picks? We could draft 12 players and if good they all make the squad.

We need all the picks we can get and I wouldn't trade up at all unless a player has fallen significantly and is too good to not trade up for. And you know Kyle wants to draft one of his running backs and could be Tuten this year after that 4.32 40 time plus he is a kick returner and Deebo is now gone as our KR. Tuten prob goes in the 3rd round now .

Highly unlikely you'll draft 12 players who will be starters/depth in the NFL in 1 draft. So trading up for in theory a more likely starter is the thought process. I get we need depth and to get younger but after free agency we aren't going to have enough roster spots to fit fringe roster players on it. We will likely only draft about 9 players and even then I doubt 9 players makes the final 53

I think that is a mistake if you can grab 10 or 11 players that would make the team. I think there is a realistic way to end up with a first, a second, 3 thirds, 4 4ths, and a 5th that all easily make the team. That is 10 players right there and does not include our final three picks at #189, #228, and #255.

Nothing wrong with this situation. Trade our last 3 picks for picks next year or use them all to be sweeteners to help secure the guys you want in rounds 1-5.

And in this draft DL starter quality rotation players can be had at #138 and #139.

We have so little depth and talent on this team If our 11 draft picks are

3DL (Grant/Norman-Lott/Caldwell/CJ West)
1 EDGE (Umanmielen)
1 LB (Mondon/Knight/Bassa/Martin/Simon/Paul Jr)
1 CB (Parrish/Bryant/Mohammed)
1 S (Moore/BowmanMakuba)
2 OL (Belton/Pierce/Trapilo at OT and Monheim/McLaughlin/Majors at C)
1 RB (Kyle cannot help himself)
1 WR (K Williams)

...they are all making this team.

And I'd be happy to have all of them picked.

When you have a few great options at each position that you like you can let the draft come to you and not feel the need to trade up much just wait until your spot comes up and make a selection.

With the roster we had a few ago being one of the two best in the NFL with Philly I'd agree no need to make a ton of picks. But the landscape has changed and our cupboard is bare. Hargrave bust - Greenlaw likely gone - Deebo gone - Aiyuk may be gone - C Ward gone - D Jackson bust - DL sucks - Banks gone - C sucks - RT average - Guerendo injured etc etc
[ Edited by Ezekiel38 on Mar 2, 2025 at 1:13 PM ]
Mar 2, 2025 at 1:11 PM
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Honestly they should look to trade for a WR, both Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson will be free agents next season. Wonder how much they would cost?

Can't add guys ready to get paid. Gotta hit on them in the draft or fill in with cheaper vets until you can land one.

This, we aren't forking over top 5 contracts anymore. Draft and have young talent for cheaper next couple yrs.

I would take a look at Harris on day 2


end of the day if we're paying a QB elite money he's gotta make guys around him better

But Brock doesn't do that.

He is John Stockton but needs elite/superior talent to get open and distribute the ball to.

We'll still pay him elite money because we have no other effing choice. There are no good alternatives.

I'd be fine with Harris on day 2 but that would mean at 43 as doubt Harris is there at 75. At 43 so much other positional talent is available that I like better than Harris.

This is where you can grab Donovan Jackson/Milum or where you grab Umanmielum or where you can grab one of the fast/talented CBs like Porter/A'zareyah or even Darius Alexander at DL or even Makuba. I think if Jackson is not there at 43 you automatically do any fair trade down offer into the early/mid 50s

I do like Harris though but even he may not be there at 43. No guarantee Savion Williams or Jayden Higgens is there at 75 either after their good 40s so then what do we do at WR..

Point being if no Aiyuk we have no #1 WR and it is a huge need just like the trenches are. Can get trenches though anywhere in the draft... cannot get a #1 WR outside of the 1st two rounds in this draft and maybe outside of the top #15 imo.

The only #1 WRs in this class imo is TMac, Travis Hunter, and Luther Burden III. Golden is an elite #2 which wouldn't bother me to take in the 20s.

But hey maybe we don't care about having a #1 WR this year and will make do until next year's draft to address it. I'm fine with that as long as we have another great draft like last year and get great players
Burden isn't coming in here and being the #1 WR day one & spending a top #15 on a WR in a class that you yourself called weak makes no sense.

It's weak as a whole but the top three in the class are not weak (TMac/Hunter/Burden).

I believe Burden tested right where M Harrison Jr tested. He would start right away with Pearsall and Jennings whether in the slot or on the outside.

Look I'm not saying we should def take a WR at #11 just saying if we did I'm not going to rail on the pick as it would be TMac or Burden who I think are great players. I actually prefer Burden to TMac.

My first choice would be to trade down to 15-17 and draft Kenneth Grant DL. So there's that.
Mar 2, 2025 at 2:12 PM
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Originally posted by NinerTy:
No. I think the Niners stay pat and go DL or OL at #11 (with the possibility of a trade down). If they trade Aiyuk, there may be a TE at #11 (or a trade down to procure 2 DL/OL and a WR or TE) along with the possibility of a vet FA WR. Lot's of scenarios looming in the future

People b***hing about the D-line, injuries to the LB's, b***h about the 49ers Safeties. And now some of you want to draft a TE, Tyler Warren with the 11th pick. Make sense.
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