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Great insights Scooter. thanks for posting
Disappointed by the first two picks but glad we got Puni. Mustapha is good insurance for Huf who will likely end up netting us a nice comp pick if he walks. Besides that I hope we get some return game value.
Really fun read. Thanks for posting.
Great job putting all that together. Personally I'm just so over the grades thing ever since that 2017 draft...

I remember we were considered to have one of the best first rounds that year and almost every grade was either A or A+. Looking back it was a disaster.

Now I just wait to see how the guys look for our team but as I said I respect the work you put into this.
Bro you got me kinda hyped to see what Kingston can do. He's the guy from our class that I knew/know the least about. Great write up, that was fun to read 🤙🏾
^ How did you see Kingstons RAS as a center?
Originally posted by 49ers808:
^ How did you see Kingstons RAS as a center?

Theres a official RAS score calculator where you can select position.

https://ras.football/ras-calculator/

On the left, here is the widely available RAS score from Math Bomb. On the right, I've dropped in the same values but at the center position. On the bottom I've included the additional metrics. Not sure why the 3 cone was left off. He ran it at the combine. He also did 32 reps and the combine and 36 reps at his pro day. Those values dont change the score, but the bottom one is the more complete profile.

Excellent post! Interesting and well thought out.
Nice write-up. I'm a bit more negative on first two picks but agree with the thoughts on Green. I'm not sure we should use pro day times when calculating RAS score. Thought there was a ~0.08-0.1 second difference between combine 40 and pro day 40 because combine is half electronic (pro day is fully hand-timed).

Adjusting the 40 time and splits pushes Mustapha to 8-8.5.

Kingston is an impressive athlete although I don't think bench press should be a metric for RAS. Weight is a better proxy for strength, bench press favors guys like Kingston who have very short arms, and bench press is way less relevant for most positions than some of the speed/agility/explosiveness tests. Even for OL, I'd much rather see a good 3 come / shuttle time.
Originally posted by scooterhd:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
^ How did you see Kingstons RAS as a center?

Theres a official RAS score calculator where you can select position.

https://ras.football/ras-calculator/

On the left, here is the widely available RAS score from Math Bomb. On the right, I've dropped in the same values but at the center position. On the bottom I've included the additional metrics. Not sure why the 3 cone was left off. He ran it at the combine. He also did 32 reps and the combine and 36 reps at his pro day. Those values dont change the score, but the bottom one is the more complete profile.


Awesome, thanks! Didn't know you could do that or that the calculator existed
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Nice write-up. I'm a bit more negative on first two picks but agree with the thoughts on Green. I'm not sure we should use pro day times when calculating RAS score. Thought there was a ~0.08-0.1 second difference between combine 40 and pro day 40 because combine is half electronic (pro day is fully hand-timed).

Adjusting the 40 time and splits pushes Mustapha to 8-8.5.

Kingston is an impressive athlete although I don't think bench press should be a metric for RAS. Weight is a better proxy for strength, bench press favors guys like Kingston who have very short arms, and bench press is way less relevant for most positions than some of the speed/agility/explosiveness tests. Even for OL, I'd much rather see a good 3 come / shuttle time.

That's sort of the point of recalculating at center. At OG, his weight of 306 is well below average and hurts the score. Move him to center, even ignoring bench, and the speed and explosion scores pretty much grade out the same. The boost in RAS to a near perfect score is because his weight is now basically average. You probably dont want him gaining anymore as a zone center. I just included bench to complete the final card, but it didnt move the score at all even though it is an impressive number at 32-36.

And you are lower then a C+ on Green? Why is you reasoning?
[ Edited by scooterhd on Apr 30, 2024 at 4:38 PM ]
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Bro you got me kinda hyped to see what Kingston can do. He's the guy from our class that I knew/know the least about. Great write up, that was fun to read 🤙🏾

I was thinking the same thing while reading it bc like you, he was the player I knew the least about (him and Bethune). And real nice write up Scooter. I agree with basically all the grades except I would give our draft as a whole an -A, go B+ on Ricky, B+/-A on Green and -A on Mustapha. I'm no niner homer, I'll call it like I see it and they nailed this draft. Of course you never know how a player will turn out but based on fit, scheme, talent, need etc they nailed it. I think Green can be a really good corner. He's the best press man corner in the draft, absolutely shut down opposing teams #1 WR's when line up against them (see Nabers). The most yards he gave up in a game in coverage was 46, very aggressive tackler like you said, love his versatility. I can see him starting opposite Ward this year tbh, by next year at the latest. Mustapha I think is a stud as well, I really think he will be our starting SS if Huf doesn't get back to his pre injury level. Like I said I really loved this draft, I think it was their best one in the last 10 years ive tracked it closely.
Originally posted by scooterhd:

Round 2, No. 64 overall: Renardo Green, CB, Florida State (C+)

This has to be one of the more debated picks of the draft for the 49ers. We knew a corner was coming in the first four rounds. Mooney and DMO are free agents next season. Just about everyone else is on a one year deal. At minimum we are looking for starter for 2025, but there's playing time to be had this year as well. It's a short and long term need, so you can't be mad about taking CB. But the way this played out was tough to watch. I know I was eyeing the best available list and praying that Rosengarten would make it. Should we have moved up? I think so. Suamataia seemed like the next logical pick and we handed him to KC. Did KC jump us twice and steal our pick twice? One could argue.

Personally, I had more interest in boundary corners with more height and arm length like Elijah Jones and Kyree Jackson. We could have waited another round on those guys. I thought Phillips would go off the board first as a better man cover CB then Green. But here we are. Renardo has a ton of positives. I love his demeanor. Love his aggressiveness. He's a convincing tackler. He does well in man and zone schemes. I'm not convinced hes an outside corner, but he certainly has a lot of versatility and could even play some safety at some point in his career. The interception production is lacking, but the pass breakups are there some of the advanced stats are exceptional. The RAS score is average, but the tape on Nabers and Thomas was incredible. Seems like he is up to the challenge. The grade has nothing to do with him. If he is the 3rd round pick, you are ecstatic with him. Does he make it that far? Who knows. Feels like the biggest reach we made. But we probably have less of a problem with it if the tackles were off the board sooner and we could claim BPA. Oddly, this one probably gets the lowest grade from pundits, myself included, but he might have the biggest chance to make an impact this year. And I have graded higher then DMO when he came out, so if he can make that same impact in time, this will be looked at favorably.


Respectfully disagree with your Green take. I think he's one of the best press-man CBs in the draft. I don't see any problem's with his size? 6" 190lbs. He's got 31"+ arms. He reminds me of L'jarius Sneed who's one of the best man covers in the league (4th rd pick). I don't think he's limited to NCB at all. He can play multiple positions similar to DMO.

he's also a great tackler in space and the film vs the LSU guys shows he can lock studs down.

I think folks got so fixated on certain players/positions that we all are "disappointed" when those players or positions aren't gotten when we want it to happen and whoever was the picks we're a little down on that prospect.

Green can play.
I'll add imo the one pick I'm kinda lower on than you is Guerendo. We all knew it was gonna happen.

Great combine athlete, I didn't really see those elite numbers pop on the field. I just find it really hard to grasp giving up multiple 5ths for a guy that's gonna see the field sparingly, if at all this yr. I feel like he runs a little high and for a dude at his size, I didn't see a lot of yards after contact and blasting through tackles.

overall for a guy that been in college for so long, he still seems a bit raw as a RB.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 1, 2024 at 6:23 AM ]
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