Graham Barton - OT Duke

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
One good thing is he's a knee bender, not a waist bender.

I don't think he is as powerful as Frazier, JPJ, or Haynes though.

I agree, but I'd argue he moves better. I also dont know that Frazier and Haynes are particularly powerful, but definitely play well-leveraged at all times

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

One good thing is he's a knee bender, not a waist bender.

I don't think he is as powerful as Frazier, JPJ, or Haynes though.

I agree, but I'd argue he moves better. I also dont know that Frazier and Haynes are particularly powerful, but definitely play well-leveraged at all times

Leverage indeed, though I have also seen Frazier take on two guys by himself a few times, I definitely think he's among the most powerful in this class.

I think we gotta get a center of the future here. Let's homegrow a guy for once instead of relying on veteran castoffs or PS guys developing and peaking at slightly above average.

We just need to find the best value among guys with the best smarts and physical ability when it comes to center. Develop at RG until it's time to replace Brendel.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I like him as a center, less so as a guard and not at all as a tackle. At tackle he'd get beat in ways that would have people yearning for McGlinchey to come back.

Apparently, the scouting community agrees with you and there are plans to try him out at the Senior Bowl at Center. Going to be interesting to see how he transitions inside against some good competition.

Good interior linemen can often play both guard and center. The Niners moved Randy Cross and Jesse Sapolu from center to guard and back again depending on the team needs. Did the same with Bruce Bosley. Tackle is different since you usually need more height and lateral quickness to contend with the edge rushers.

I think he would be the center of the future.

Originally posted by Wrathman:
I think he would be the center of the future.

I keep seeing him there at 31. I did a pfn mock and was able to offload like 4 picks with a future 2nd for 34 pick and snagged a tackle as well! Then took Bartolini in the 3rd. If they remade the o-line like that, I think I would piss my paints and faint from pure joy.

This guy looks like a no brainer if they aren't high on anyone else.

I can see them going this direction but want Kingsley Suamataia bad

Barton makes total sense for me. Could plug in at guard and eventually move to center. For as much as draft talk is going to be about measurables and technique and pad level and second level movement and on and on. The reality is that our offense is changing with Purdy at the helm. This isnt pull the guard and go run block all day. Shanahan has a complicated offense. We've seen the consequences of guys not understanding assignments. So that for me is number 1. If you dont know who you are supposed to block, you are not going to block him regardless of arm length and 10yd split time. So second team academic all american at Duke has my ears perked. Then you see the pass sets at tackle, and you know inside hes not going to have problems walling off rushers inside. You see the leg drive. Moves very well in space for a center and can get to the second level. Going to be a natural in the screen game. Just seems like such a high floor guy in a year where you really dont want to whiff on your first round pick.

Originally posted by scooterhd:
Barton makes total sense for me. Could plug in at guard and eventually move to center. For as much as draft talk is going to be about measurables and technique and pad level and second level movement and on and on. The reality is that our offense is changing with Purdy at the helm. This isnt pull the guard and go run block all day. Shanahan has a complicated offense. We've seen the consequences of guys not understanding assignments. So that for me is number 1. If you dont know who you are supposed to block, you are not going to block him regardless of arm length and 10yd split time. So second team academic all american at Duke has my ears perked. Then you see the pass sets at tackle, and you know inside hes not going to have problems walling off rushers inside. You see the leg drive. Moves very well in space for a center and can get to the second level. Going to be a natural in the screen game. Just seems like such a high floor guy in a year where you really dont want to whiff on your first round pick.

I really like Barton too.

He really knows how to move people at Tackle on down blocks and he's great in space.

He'd definitely be an upgrade anywhere on the line besides LT currently, even if he's not our prototype for the tackle position.

Still don't understand the love affair with using 1st round pick to ask him to play a position he's never played. Titans tried the same thing with Peter Skoronski last year. Skoronski was a better prospect than Barton coming out and he graded out less than Mckivitz this year. He also only played a whopping 5 games at Center 3 years ago.

Hard pass for me.

Originally posted by krizay:
Still don't understand the love affair with using 1st round pick to ask him to play a position he's never played. Titans tried the same thing with Peter Skoronski last year. Skoronski was a better prospect than Barton coming out and he graded out less than Mckivitz this year. He also only played a whopping 5 games at Center 3 years ago.

Hard pass for me.

Yeah, that's a fair point.

I actually like him at tackle though and his tape looks better than Skoronski's IMO.

Versatility is a little overrated when drafting a player in the first. If he can't play the premium position you want him to, is he actually worth a first?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by krizay:
Still don't understand the love affair with using 1st round pick to ask him to play a position he's never played. Titans tried the same thing with Peter Skoronski last year. Skoronski was a better prospect than Barton coming out and he graded out less than Mckivitz this year. He also only played a whopping 5 games at Center 3 years ago.

Hard pass for me.

Yeah, that's a fair point.

I actually like him at tackle though and his tape looks better than Skoronski's IMO.

Versatility is a little overrated when drafting a player in the first. If he can't play the premium position you want him to, is he actually worth a first?

That's a stupid point because he literally contradicted himself in his own post. Said asking him to play a position he never played, then ends it with he played 5 games at Center 3 years ago lol. Versatility is valued by every team in the NFL. How many guys can anyone think of that started college as a Center and moved (and thrived) at LT for the rest of their college career? Graham is one of the safer players to bet on having a successful career, be it at Tackle or Center or even Guard and guess what, we could use all three 😂

PFF has him taken in the 20's with their simulator, well before we select.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
That's a stupid point because he literally contradicted himself in his own post. Said asking him to play a position he never played, then ends it with he played 5 games at Center 3 years ago lol. Versatility is valued by every team in the NFL. How many guys can anyone think of that started college as a Center and moved (and thrived) at LT for the rest of their college career? Graham is one of the safer players to bet on having a successful career, be it at Tackle or Center or even Guard and guess what, we could use all three 😂

So you guys are wanting him to play C and not guard? I've seen people wanting him to play G

And even with that. 5 games 3 years ago that's what we're spending on 1st for? Then why not Frazier?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
That's a stupid point because he literally contradicted himself in his own post. Said asking him to play a position he never played, then ends it with he played 5 games at Center 3 years ago lol. Versatility is valued by every team in the NFL. How many guys can anyone think of that started college as a Center and moved (and thrived) at LT for the rest of their college career? Graham is one of the safer players to bet on having a successful career, be it at Tackle or Center or even Guard and guess what, we could use all three 😂

So you guys are wanting him to play C and not guard? I've seen people wanting him to play G

And even with that. 5 games 3 years ago that's what we're spending on 1st for? Then why not Frazier?

I'm the guy asking in the OL thread why he can't play OT? Is it just because measurables and C/OG is a better "projection" in the pros? This is just my opinion, but what we would be spending our first for is a guy that I believe can play RT, and if that fails, can play Center, and if that fails, is versatile enough to play guard.

Wrong guy to ask about Frazier, I absolutely love Frazier and would be happy to get him, even with our first, cause I don't think he makes it to our second and we'd have to trade up. But to answer your question, Frazier did not play OT like Graham did. Not only did Graham play LT for three years, he freaking thrived at it and put out some damn good tape against guys currently playing in the NFL right now.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I'm the guy asking in the OL thread why he can't play OT? Is it just because measurables and C/OG is a better "projection" in the pros? This is just my opinion, but what we would be spending our first for is a guy that I believe can play RT, and if that fails, can play Center, and if that fails, is versatile enough to play guard.

Wrong guy to ask about Frazier, I absolutely love Frazier and would be happy to get him, even with our first, cause I don't think he makes it to our second and we'd have to trade up. But to answer your question, Frazier did not play OT like Graham did. Not only did Graham play LT for three years, he freaking thrived at it and put out some damn good tape against guys currently playing in the NFL right now.

The NFL believes his arms aren't long enough fir tackle. So much so he was going to be exclusively playing IOL at the senior bowl.

I'm fine with drafting him with the notion of playing him at OT. Thats what he has played. What I'm not fine with is drafting him with the notion of playing him at guard. A position he's never played. Wouldn't be thrilled with drafting him to play Center either