During the zoom press conference, Lynch said he identified with Kyle 6 players that they would pick at #13
Lynch speaks the truth or he stays vague. So i think he let that one slipped from his tongue...
I suppose that they exclude the QBs Burrow Tua Herbert from that count. maybe Chase but i dont think so
Here are my 6 :
chase
okudah
wills
jeudy
simmons
brown
What it tells me : they dont see the 3 WR the same so if their guy is not there, they will trade down (the non WR will be gone by then)
He also said the team is loaded, one of the best rosters in football (nothing new) and they are looking to have seven valuable picks. I think this means they are ready to trade down and doing so combo with their late picks to gain a 2nd and 3rd round pick and have something like this :
#16-23 round 1
#34-40 round 2
#53-64 round 2
#89-106 round 3
#130-146 round 4
# 176 round 5
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Identifying the 6 players in 2020 draft that Lynch called foundational
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Apr 21, 2020 at 3:39 AM
- 49Fever
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Apr 21, 2020 at 3:46 AM
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He said 7 valuable picks?
Apr 21, 2020 at 4:25 AM
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Originally posted by krizay:He said 7 valuable picks?
Surprised by that as well. 7 valuable picks make no sense for 2 reasons.
1. We're starting from 2 valuable picks. That would require a massive amount of trading and even then is a late 3rd round pick and later really a valuable pick?
2. We shouldn't be trading back that much with a relatively strong roster with few holes. You need a ton of draft picks when you have a weak roster.
Apr 21, 2020 at 4:35 AM
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:Surprised by that as well. 7 valuable picks make no sense for 2 reasons.
1. We're starting from 2 valuable picks. That would require a massive amount of trading and even then is a late 3rd round pick and later really a valuable pick?
2. We shouldn't be trading back that much with a relatively strong roster with few holes. You need a ton of draft picks when you have a weak roster.
I can see him considering up through 5ths as valuable. Kittle, Greenlaw....
That starts us off at 4. Player trades could get us to 5. Assuming that's his thinking anyway
Apr 21, 2020 at 4:43 AM
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:Surprised by that as well. 7 valuable picks make no sense for 2 reasons.
1. We're starting from 2 valuable picks. That would require a massive amount of trading and even then is a late 3rd round pick and later really a valuable pick?
2. We shouldn't be trading back that much with a relatively strong roster with few holes. You need a ton of draft picks when you have a weak roster.
Lynch probably sees rounds 1-5 as valuable. He jas hit on all his 5tu rounders.
Apr 21, 2020 at 4:48 AM
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Originally posted by 49Fever:During the zoom press conference, Lynch said he identified with Kyle 6 players that they would pick at #13
Lynch speaks the truth or he stays vague. So i think he let that one slipped from his tongue...
I suppose that they exclude the QBs Burrow Tua Herbert from that count. maybe Chase but i dont think so
Here are my 6 :
chase
okudah
wills
jeudy
simmons
brown
What it tells me : they dont see the 3 WR the same so if their guy is not there, they will trade down (the non WR will be gone by then)
He also said the team is loaded, one of the best rosters in football (nothing new) and they are looking to have seven valuable picks. I think this means they are ready to trade down and doing so combo with their late picks to gain a 2nd and 3rd round pick and have something like this :
#16-23 round 1
#34-40 round 2
#53-64 round 2
#89-106 round 3
#130-146 round 4
# 176 round 5
I wouldn't read into anything said by a GM at this time as truth.
That statement would strongly indicate their fondness for moving down assuming they meant 6 guys overall and not of who they think are a safe bet to be there...I mean Chase Young won't be there. Maybe some others you could figure "never know" but with Young the only way he's there is if he murders someone live on zoom.
Apr 21, 2020 at 4:51 AM
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Chase Young
2 offensive tackles (not sure which ones)
Simmoms
Brown
Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs (not sure which one)
Im hesitant to put Okudah in as apparently the league is almost split at having Henderson above him.
Got to break down guys with round 1 grades in tiers. Apparently 6 are in tier one or 2. The question is how many are in the next tier? If they have 10 guys then at least one would be available at pick 16 if we trade down.
2 offensive tackles (not sure which ones)
Simmoms
Brown
Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs (not sure which one)
Im hesitant to put Okudah in as apparently the league is almost split at having Henderson above him.
Got to break down guys with round 1 grades in tiers. Apparently 6 are in tier one or 2. The question is how many are in the next tier? If they have 10 guys then at least one would be available at pick 16 if we trade down.
Apr 21, 2020 at 6:09 AM
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From the transcript of his conference (team stuff) to exclude any approximation :
« Really at 13 I think you think more about if this guy is a difference maker whatever position he plays and that's really what we're focused on more than anything... As to the number of foundational players, it's difficult because there's certain guys that you're prepared if they were to fall, but as we anticipate, I would say about six guys, »
so he is speaking of players he anticipates so you gotta exclude Chase from the list
i don't see any other sure thing (consensus) than Burrow and Chase and i exclude every other QB
so i would go : okudah, wills, whirf, simmons, brown, jeudy
« I don't think it'd be a great year to have 10 draft picks. I think it's going to be hard to make this team, so we've got to make them count. That's the feeling every year, but especially this year with very few. We've got to make every pick that we make, whether it be the number 13 pick, the 31st pick, if we were to move out of those or they're our fifth or sixth or seventh round picks, that we really make them count... We have two firsts and then we don't have a pick until the fifth where we have two picks and then a sixth and then two sevenths. With those picks there's a big gap in there. So maybe you don't want 10, but seven might be nice. Excuse me, we have seven, a couple more might be nice just to close that gap. »
he says two opposite things but he was clear about not having too many picks which make sense. So i look forward a combo of picks to go back to the 3rd or fourth round and / or trading late round picks for next year even if the college season could be washed.
« Really at 13 I think you think more about if this guy is a difference maker whatever position he plays and that's really what we're focused on more than anything... As to the number of foundational players, it's difficult because there's certain guys that you're prepared if they were to fall, but as we anticipate, I would say about six guys, »
so he is speaking of players he anticipates so you gotta exclude Chase from the list
i don't see any other sure thing (consensus) than Burrow and Chase and i exclude every other QB
so i would go : okudah, wills, whirf, simmons, brown, jeudy
« I don't think it'd be a great year to have 10 draft picks. I think it's going to be hard to make this team, so we've got to make them count. That's the feeling every year, but especially this year with very few. We've got to make every pick that we make, whether it be the number 13 pick, the 31st pick, if we were to move out of those or they're our fifth or sixth or seventh round picks, that we really make them count... We have two firsts and then we don't have a pick until the fifth where we have two picks and then a sixth and then two sevenths. With those picks there's a big gap in there. So maybe you don't want 10, but seven might be nice. Excuse me, we have seven, a couple more might be nice just to close that gap. »
he says two opposite things but he was clear about not having too many picks which make sense. So i look forward a combo of picks to go back to the 3rd or fourth round and / or trading late round picks for next year even if the college season could be washed.
Apr 21, 2020 at 1:03 PM
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Originally posted by miked1978:
Chase Young
2 offensive tackles (not sure which ones)
Simmoms
Brown
Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs (not sure which one)
Im hesitant to put Okudah in as apparently the league is almost split at having Henderson above him.
Got to break down guys with round 1 grades in tiers. Apparently 6 are in tier one or 2. The question is how many are in the next tier? If they have 10 guys then at least one would be available at pick 16 if we trade down.
I don't think you can ever consider a corner foundational. A safety like Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Jamal Adams... sure, but not a corner.
I gotta think he means:
Young, Simmons, 4 OT's, and maybe Lamb... someone in the Hopkins/Dez Bryant/AJ Green Mold that can truly dominate on the outside.
Apr 21, 2020 at 3:04 PM
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Originally posted by All22:I don't think you can ever consider a corner foundational. A safety like Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Jamal Adams... sure, but not a corner.
I gotta think he means:
Young, Simmons, 4 OT's, and maybe Lamb... someone in the Hopkins/Dez Bryant/AJ Green Mold that can truly dominate on the outside.
You can build a defense around a shutdown corner more than a safety. Revis in his prime added far more value than Troy Polamalu or Jamal Adams (I'm a big Ed Reed fan but they had similar impacts). Safety used to be paid significantly less than corner for that reason.
Apr 21, 2020 at 4:07 PM
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:Originally posted by All22:I don't think you can ever consider a corner foundational. A safety like Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Jamal Adams... sure, but not a corner.
I gotta think he means:
Young, Simmons, 4 OT's, and maybe Lamb... someone in the Hopkins/Dez Bryant/AJ Green Mold that can truly dominate on the outside.
You can build a defense around a shutdown corner more than a safety. Revis in his prime added far more value than Troy Polamalu or Jamal Adams (I'm a big Ed Reed fan but they had similar impacts). Safety used to be paid significantly less than corner for that reason.
Nah, unless we're talking about Antoine Winfield, a corner adds virtually nothing in run support and can be avoided quite easily.
Apr 21, 2020 at 5:03 PM
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Originally posted by All22:
Nah, unless we're talking about Antoine Winfield, a corner adds virtually nothing in run support and can be avoided quite easily.
And yet corners are still paid more than safeties. Why do you think that is if safeties are more valuable?
Apr 21, 2020 at 5:35 PM
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Originally posted by All22:Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:Originally posted by All22:I don't think you can ever consider a corner foundational. A safety like Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Jamal Adams... sure, but not a corner.
I gotta think he means:
Young, Simmons, 4 OT's, and maybe Lamb... someone in the Hopkins/Dez Bryant/AJ Green Mold that can truly dominate on the outside.
You can build a defense around a shutdown corner more than a safety. Revis in his prime added far more value than Troy Polamalu or Jamal Adams (I'm a big Ed Reed fan but they had similar impacts). Safety used to be paid significantly less than corner for that reason.
Nah, unless we're talking about Antoine Winfield, a corner adds virtually nothing in run support and can be avoided quite easily.
Sherman, in his prime especially, literally took away half the football field. If one player takes away half of the football field, it instantly makes every other player on that defense that much better.
Apr 21, 2020 at 8:14 PM
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Apr 22, 2020 at 7:09 AM
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Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Originally posted by All22:
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by All22:
I don't think you can ever consider a corner foundational. A safety like Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Jamal Adams... sure, but not a corner.
I gotta think he means:
Young, Simmons, 4 OT's, and maybe Lamb... someone in the Hopkins/Dez Bryant/AJ Green Mold that can truly dominate on the outside.
You can build a defense around a shutdown corner more than a safety. Revis in his prime added far more value than Troy Polamalu or Jamal Adams (I'm a big Ed Reed fan but they had similar impacts). Safety used to be paid significantly less than corner for that reason.
Nah, unless we're talking about Antoine Winfield, a corner adds virtually nothing in run support and can be avoided quite easily.
Sherman, in his prime especially, literally took away half the football field. If one player takes away half of the football field, it instantly makes every other player on that defense that much better.
One of the biggest mistakes the Niners made (and they rarely made them) was letting Eric Davis CB walk. They would have had two shut down corners. If you have Sherman and another shut down corner, even Solomon Thomas might get a few coverage sacks. Ha ha. All seriousness even the Patriots crazy overpayed for a shut down corner. So yes a CB can be a foundational player.
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