Forgive me if this topic already exists. I'm new to this whole "creating a thread" thing. Curious as to where the faithful stands on this topic.
Draft picks or lack thereof. As it stands now we have:
Rd 1
Rd 5
Rd 5
Rd 6
Rd 7
Rd 7
Play GM: Do you trade your first for more mid rounders? Package your late rounders for more mid rounders?
Are you going for quality or quantity? Are you targeting depth or a couple of starters? Which position are you coveting?
Again, if this thread gets locked, my bad, still new at this.
Just curious as to what is the pulse of the Faithful!!
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Oct 28, 2019 at 12:59 PM
- Imcaleburnot
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Oct 28, 2019 at 1:56 PM
- Hysterikal
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Trade down out of the first For more picks and cheaper contracts which definitely would help and make your picks count. Which Lynch and company have done very well with mid round picks.
Oct 28, 2019 at 2:14 PM
- Alfienator
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If there's a game changer with our first pick. You stay pat and pick him. Use the rest for potential future starter/back ups.
Oct 28, 2019 at 2:15 PM
- jersey49er
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:Trade down out of the first For more picks and cheaper contracts which definitely would help and make your picks count. Which Lynch and company have done very well with mid round picks.
Agree completely, if they are able to trade down and recoup an early 2nd and 4th I'd be cool with it, they would be able to trade up into the 3rd with that 4th and 1 of their 5ths, as of now target either OL or a WR, Bc I think Goodwin, Bourne, and Pettis are gone while Sanders is resigned with Deebo, Hurd, James and Taylor along with a rookie make the WR core next year..
Oct 28, 2019 at 3:39 PM
- ChaunceyGardner
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Overall "value" of our picks is 691 points total. A normal mid range draft looks like 1750 points.
I would grab a FS with the #1 and CB and oline depth with the rest
I would grab a FS with the #1 and CB and oline depth with the rest
Oct 28, 2019 at 3:42 PM
- jersey49er
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Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:Overall "value" of our picks is 691 points total. A normal mid range draft looks like 1750 points.
I would grab a FS with the #1 and CB and oline depth with the rest
With Ward playing well and healthy ( not sure for how long ) and Moore showing he can play and grow more I'm unsure if S is the pick, 2 months ago I thought it was a definite and was all about McKinney from Bama
Oct 28, 2019 at 3:46 PM
- Stevec9932
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we are picking 32nd who cares.
Oct 28, 2019 at 3:51 PM
- billbird2111
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I think it really depends upon the situation. The days of the 49ers getting a high pick in the first round of the NFL draft are now, officially, over. That's the price you pay for success. Hopefully? It will be another decade or two before we get another shot at having the second pick of the draft. The Cleveland Browns, who have blown so many high picks that I can't remember them all, we are not.
So, the quality of the college draft pool for every given year is going to determine exactly what Shanahan and Lynch will do. If the team targets a two or three players who will probably last into the 4th and 5th rounds, sure, I can see those two using a first round draft pick to trade back in the draft. Especially if it gives them the additional draft capital to get the players they really want in the middle rounds.
BUT -- if they spot a potential steal of a player in the first round (which is very rare in this day and age of information) -- I can also see them trading up. Example? To this day I am simply AMAZED by every team that passed on Jerry Rice in the 1985 draft. Rice was considered by some NFL GM's at the time, get this, to be "overrated." But Walsh saw something a lot of other supposed "experts" missed. The 49ers were in Houston, getting ready to play the Oilers, when Walsh spotted this Mississippi Valley State kid lighting up TCU on TV the night before the game.
Leading up to the draft, Walsh also knew the Dallas Cowboys were very interested in Jerry Rice. The Cowboys had the 17th pick in the draft. The 49ers, in 1985, had the 28th pick in the first round by virtue of winning the Super Bowl the previous year. So, what did Bill Walsh do? He CRUSHED the soul of every Cowboy fan in America by pulling off a trade with New England, sending them our 28th pick, plus our 2nd and 3rd round picks, for New England's first round pick, the 16th pick in the first round.
This means there were 15 other teams that passed on the one player who would become the greatest NFL receiver to ever lace up a pair of cleats. By the time Jerry Rice called it quits, he owned every record in the record books. He even owned the record books. He was that good. Nobody else saw Jerry's promise, with the exception of Dallas Cowboys GM Tex Schramm. Gil Brandt, who was working in the Cowboys front office in 1985, confirmed that Schramm was going to use the 17th pick in the draft to take Jerry Rice.
But before the clock moved to the 17th pick, New England announced a trade with the 49ers, and Schramm's goose was cooked. He knew it. So did former Cowboys coach Tom Laundry, who also badly wanted Rice. But the 49ers got him instead.
So -- it really does depend on what players are available and what rounds these players will be taken in. You don't just trade down to "get more picks." It doesn't work like that. You make trades because you're targeting certain players. Walsh was willing to trade his top three picks in 1985 in order to grab one player. That one player would turn out to be the greatest wide receiver to ever play the game of football.
So, the quality of the college draft pool for every given year is going to determine exactly what Shanahan and Lynch will do. If the team targets a two or three players who will probably last into the 4th and 5th rounds, sure, I can see those two using a first round draft pick to trade back in the draft. Especially if it gives them the additional draft capital to get the players they really want in the middle rounds.
BUT -- if they spot a potential steal of a player in the first round (which is very rare in this day and age of information) -- I can also see them trading up. Example? To this day I am simply AMAZED by every team that passed on Jerry Rice in the 1985 draft. Rice was considered by some NFL GM's at the time, get this, to be "overrated." But Walsh saw something a lot of other supposed "experts" missed. The 49ers were in Houston, getting ready to play the Oilers, when Walsh spotted this Mississippi Valley State kid lighting up TCU on TV the night before the game.
Leading up to the draft, Walsh also knew the Dallas Cowboys were very interested in Jerry Rice. The Cowboys had the 17th pick in the draft. The 49ers, in 1985, had the 28th pick in the first round by virtue of winning the Super Bowl the previous year. So, what did Bill Walsh do? He CRUSHED the soul of every Cowboy fan in America by pulling off a trade with New England, sending them our 28th pick, plus our 2nd and 3rd round picks, for New England's first round pick, the 16th pick in the first round.
This means there were 15 other teams that passed on the one player who would become the greatest NFL receiver to ever lace up a pair of cleats. By the time Jerry Rice called it quits, he owned every record in the record books. He even owned the record books. He was that good. Nobody else saw Jerry's promise, with the exception of Dallas Cowboys GM Tex Schramm. Gil Brandt, who was working in the Cowboys front office in 1985, confirmed that Schramm was going to use the 17th pick in the draft to take Jerry Rice.
But before the clock moved to the 17th pick, New England announced a trade with the 49ers, and Schramm's goose was cooked. He knew it. So did former Cowboys coach Tom Laundry, who also badly wanted Rice. But the 49ers got him instead.
So -- it really does depend on what players are available and what rounds these players will be taken in. You don't just trade down to "get more picks." It doesn't work like that. You make trades because you're targeting certain players. Walsh was willing to trade his top three picks in 1985 in order to grab one player. That one player would turn out to be the greatest wide receiver to ever play the game of football.
Oct 28, 2019 at 3:55 PM
- dj43
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Originally posted by Imcaleburnot:
Forgive me if this topic already exists. I'm new to this whole "creating a thread" thing. Curious as to where the faithful stands on this topic.
Draft picks or lack thereof. As it stands now we have:
Rd 1
Rd 5
Rd 5
Rd 6
Rd 7
Rd 7
Play GM: Do you trade your first for more mid rounders? Package your late rounders for more mid rounders?
Are you going for quality or quantity? Are you targeting depth or a couple of starters? Which position are you coveting?
Again, if this thread gets locked, my bad, still new at this.
Just curious as to what is the pulse of the Faithful!!
With as much depth as this team now has, I don't see mid-round picks as being more than expensive ST depth. We can use those late picks for depth without spending as much money.
The #1 pick is still up in the air, IMO. It looks like we will be picking in at least the low 20s. If a quality OT is there, that might be the pick depending on how Kyle sees Brunskill. WR might be the play also.
A trade back for a second and fourth would be a possibility depending on how the season goes.
Still too soon to tell...
Oct 28, 2019 at 4:25 PM
- Willisfn4life
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With the talent level on the team currently I'd expect the team to package those lower picks to move up and grab players they like. I could see moving back into the second and trying to maneuver their way into an extra 4th round pick and using some lower picks to move up into the 3rd or something of that nature.
In the end, I'm cool if the team only makes like 4 picks. Gonna be very limited roster spots open on this team next year anyways.
In the end, I'm cool if the team only makes like 4 picks. Gonna be very limited roster spots open on this team next year anyways.
[ Edited by Willisfn4life on Oct 28, 2019 at 4:33 PM ]
Oct 28, 2019 at 5:12 PM
- toppdogg32
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1. Trade it down. 2. trade the 5th.-7th. picks to collect 4th rounders. We don't need a top 10 or even a 1st. rd. pick at any position. If we can get something like a high 2nd. , 2- 3rds., and a 2-4 4ths. I'd be ecstatic.
2nd.- O-Line
3rd.- LB
3rd. - TE/FB
4ths. BPA
2nd.- O-Line
3rd.- LB
3rd. - TE/FB
4ths. BPA
Oct 28, 2019 at 5:13 PM
- toppdogg32
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Originally posted by Alfienator:
If there's a game changer with our first pick. You stay pat and pick him. Use the rest for potential future starter/back ups.
Not a bad strategy at all. This would be my Plan B ( and more realistic approach).
Oct 28, 2019 at 7:18 PM
- IrishCrnjo
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We don't lack picks, they are just late.
But look at some of the day 3/undrafted guys ShannyLynch have gotten during there 3 years here.
It's not like we have a bunch of holes to fill. We'll be fine.
But look at some of the day 3/undrafted guys ShannyLynch have gotten during there 3 years here.
It's not like we have a bunch of holes to fill. We'll be fine.
Oct 28, 2019 at 8:11 PM
- NorthBay49er
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Trade our first for hopkins
Oct 28, 2019 at 8:57 PM
- Overkill
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Gotta stay put and take a guy if he's a good fit. I don't think we need a ton of bodies at this point and we've been really fortunate with UDFA's lately (can't count on that going forward, I know).
That would make the draft pretty boring for us, but I'm okay with that.
That would make the draft pretty boring for us, but I'm okay with that.
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