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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
IMO 1T is more important then SAM, if you were referring to that being the LB you're referring too cause we're just fine at WILL and Mike for this year. You can make an argument we're fine at SAM this year too...Brooks can still hold down the run and in a contract year, I think as a rotating pass rusher he'll be solid there as well. Harold is gonna challenge challenge him in base as the SAM too, maybe Blair trying to show case himself and steal the job. Don't let the weight fool you, the dude can move.

Only issue that does suck about a 1T run stuffer is they're two down players...but hey that still got Brandon Williams hella paid. I think the positions target should be in the following: RDE/Elephant, CB/FS depending on where Jimmy ends up being placed(draft will solve this), 1T,QB,SAM,RB,WR,TE and so on if you wanna nitpick.

I agree in the value of 1T, and our need coming into this season being greater than our need for any LB position. But I think you can find a great run stuffing 2 down player in rounds 4-7 and have Buckner and AA inside on passing downs. Also, I don't have any faith in our LB corps in the future...questions at Mike with bowman injury, questions at will with smith and armstrong, questions at Sam with Brooks age.

I'm more than cool taking a 1T in the third if we have to shore up the spot. I think if anything happens to Bow then Ray-Ray can slide in for him and he'd look good if placed in that position IMO. He'll backup the WILL to Smith as well. Good-great depth. At SAM, it'll be a battle between the guys listed above, Harold still has one more year after this if he's not starting at anytime. Can always plug and play a SAM in next years draft if we don't address it this year.
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
I'm more than cool taking a 1T in the third if we have to shore up the spot. I think if anything happens to Bow then Ray-Ray can slide in for him and he'd look good if placed in that position IMO. He'll backup the WILL to Smith as well. Good-great depth. At SAM, it'll be a battle between the guys listed above, Harold still has one more year after this if he's not starting at anytime. Can always plug and play a SAM in next years draft if we don't address it this year.

But all we really need from our 1T is to draw double teams in the run game. These kinds of guys can be found late. I mean, we could draft Dalvin, but I'd rather spend my 3rd on a new OL, or toy for the O, or another impact player on D than draft our 1T there.
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
I'm more than cool taking a 1T in the third if we have to shore up the spot. I think if anything happens to Bow then Ray-Ray can slide in for him and he'd look good if placed in that position IMO. He'll backup the WILL to Smith as well. Good-great depth. At SAM, it'll be a battle between the guys listed above, Harold still has one more year after this if he's not starting at anytime. Can always plug and play a SAM in next years draft if we don't address it this year.

But all we really need from our 1T is to draw double teams in the run game. These kinds of guys can be found late. I mean, we could draft Dalvin, but I'd rather spend my 3rd on a new OL, or toy for the O, or another impact player on D than draft our 1T there.


Oh I agree 1000%. I'm just saying, be fully prepared
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
I'm more than cool taking a 1T in the third if we have to shore up the spot. I think if anything happens to Bow then Ray-Ray can slide in for him and he'd look good if placed in that position IMO. He'll backup the WILL to Smith as well. Good-great depth. At SAM, it'll be a battle between the guys listed above, Harold still has one more year after this if he's not starting at anytime. Can always plug and play a SAM in next years draft if we don't address it this year.

But all we really need from our 1T is to draw double teams in the run game. These kinds of guys can be found late. I mean, we could draft Dalvin, but I'd rather spend my 3rd on a new OL, or toy for the O, or another impact player on D than draft our 1T there.


Oh I agree 1000%. I'm just saying, be fully prepared

Yessir
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
I'm more than cool taking a 1T in the third if we have to shore up the spot. I think if anything happens to Bow then Ray-Ray can slide in for him and he'd look good if placed in that position IMO. He'll backup the WILL to Smith as well. Good-great depth. At SAM, it'll be a battle between the guys listed above, Harold still has one more year after this if he's not starting at anytime. Can always plug and play a SAM in next years draft if we don't address it this year.

But all we really need from our 1T is to draw double teams in the run game. These kinds of guys can be found late. I mean, we could draft Dalvin, but I'd rather spend my 3rd on a new OL, or toy for the O, or another impact player on D than draft our 1T there.


Oh I agree 1000%. I'm just saying, be fully prepared

Yessir

I'd see it as saying... we're not effing around approach, "brick by brick"
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-malik-hooker-update-video-draft-20170425-story.html

Video further indication Malik Hooker will be ready for camp
by ProFootballDoc
Sports Medical Analyst

A video showing Malik Hooker running and cutting indicates the former Ohio State safety will be ready for his first training camp this summer. Hooker, rated as one of the top players at his position in this year's draft, does not look 100 percent in the video.


That is to be expected less than three months after core muscle/sports hernia surgery.

But the recovery on this surgery is reliable, and this video seems to confirm what we originally posted about Hooker, meaning there should be minimal medical concern for team's considering him on their draft board.
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-malik-hooker-update-video-draft-20170425-story.html

Video further indication Malik Hooker will be ready for camp
by ProFootballDoc
Sports Medical Analyst

A video showing Malik Hooker running and cutting indicates the former Ohio State safety will be ready for his first training camp this summer. Hooker, rated as one of the top players at his position in this year's draft, does not look 100 percent in the video.


That is to be expected less than three months after core muscle/sports hernia surgery.

But the recovery on this surgery is reliable, and this video seems to confirm what we originally posted about Hooker, meaning there should be minimal medical concern for team's considering him on their draft board.
hopefully everyone else is scared of his medical records too. I wanted him at 2 but if people are going to shy away from him maybe we could get back into the 1st and get him later on
I like Hooker but think I'd rather get Budda Baker in the 2nd...
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
hopefully everyone else is scared of his medical records too. I wanted him at 2 but if people are going to shy away from him maybe we could get back into the 1st and get him later on

His surgeries went well, his recovery is ahead of schedule - he'll be ready for camp. Hooker has other issues, and Medical will be next to his name on the draft board, but his medicals are going really well.
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
hopefully everyone else is scared of his medical records too. I wanted him at 2 but if people are going to shy away from him maybe we could get back into the 1st and get him later on

His surgeries went well, his recovery is ahead of schedule - he'll be ready for camp. Hooker has other issues, and Medical will be next to his name on the draft board, but his medicals are going really well.

Damn I hope we draft him.
Originally posted by pete98146:
I like Hooker but think I'd rather get Budda Baker in the 2nd...

I personally like Marcus Williams a lot more than Budda. I strongly believe we can significantly upgrade this defense and jump start the shift to the new scheme by getting an Elephant and a Single High FS - the two most vitally important elements in the 4-3 Under.

Here's the problem:

First round: At #2, do we draft an Edge? Well, If Garrett slips, then hell yes we did, and then, yes, let's go get Williams (or Baker). If Garrett doesn't slip to #2? Then drafting an Edge at 2 is a reach (Thomas isn't an Edge, and Barnett/Harris/etc are a reach at #2). So, more than likely, we're not getting an Edge here.

Second Round: I guarantee you there will be at least 1 (most likely more) impact Day-1 starting Elephants sitting there, at 34, staring at us, begging for us to draft one of them. My favorite: Lawson, but throw in there Basham, Rivers, Charlton, Bowser, Watt, McKinley, and Willis - they could all be there at 34.

So, if we didn't get our Edge #2 (because no Garrett), but we drafted a FS at #34 (Baker, Williams), then we're looking at going Edge at 66? At this point, we're hoping Tim Williams will bet here at #66. And if he is, then I'd have no problem drafting a Single High at 34, because Williams' value here is terrfici, but I don't see him lasting this long.

Why not just get the absolute best Single High FS in the draft, who played the exact position we want him to play, and played it very well? Why not get the guy who's been compared to Reed and Earl? And then, get our Elephant at 34 (as well as add a couple of pieced to the DL in later rounds, while adding a piece to our LB core (ahem, Blair Brown) in mid-round.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Originally posted by pete98146:
I like Hooker but think I'd rather get Budda Baker in the 2nd...

I personally like Marcus Williams a lot more than Budda. I strongly believe we can significantly upgrade this defense and jump start the shift to the new scheme by getting an Elephant and a Single High FS - the two most vitally important elements in the 4-3 Under.

Here's the problem:

First round: At #2, do we draft an Edge? Well, If Garrett slips, then hell yes we did, and then, yes, let's go get Williams (or Baker). If Garrett doesn't slip to #2? Then drafting an Edge at 2 is a reach (Thomas isn't an Edge, and Barnett/Harris/etc are a reach at #2). So, more than likely, we're not getting an Edge here.

Second Round: I guarantee you there will be at least 1 (most likely more) impact Day-1 starting Elephants sitting there, at 34, staring at us, begging for us to draft one of them. My favorite: Lawson, but throw in there Basham, Rivers, Charlton, Bowser, Watt, McKinley, and Willis - they could all be there at 34.

So, if we didn't get our Edge #2 (because no Garrett), but we drafted a FS at #34 (Baker, Williams), then we're looking at going Edge at 66? At this point, we're hoping Tim Williams will bet here at #66. And if he is, then I'd have no problem drafting a Single High at 34, because Williams' value here is terrfici, but I don't see him lasting this long.

Why not just get the absolute best Single High FS in the draft, who played the exact position we want him to play, and played it very well? Why not get the guy who's been compared to Reed and Earl? And then, get our Elephant at 34 (as well as add a couple of pieced to the DL in later rounds, while adding a piece to our LB core (ahem, Blair Brown) in mid-round.


Agreed. He will have a huge impact for our defense. What if foster is there at 34?!
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed. He will have a huge impact for our defense. What if foster is there at 34?!

lol, then you might think about throwing caution to the wind, and getting Foster at 34, and Tim Williams (keep your fingers crossed) at 66. That'd be the two Bama Bozos back to back. Could they end up being steals and set us up for a ridiculously scary defense? Hell yes! Could it all implode? Absolutely!

Personally, I'd rather go Edge at 34 (Unless someone drops to 34 that you just can't pass on - don't know who that'd be).
Originally posted by pete98146:
I like Hooker but think I'd rather get Budda Baker in the 2nd...

Agreed. Hooker cant tackle. Someone you take at 2 cant have a glaring weakness like that.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by pete98146:
I like Hooker but think I'd rather get Budda Baker in the 2nd...

Agreed. Hooker cant tackle. Someone you take at 2 cant have a glaring weakness like that.

You don't have to tackle when you're always picking off the ball.
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