Baalkes draft failure

Originally posted by ivanm05:
My god you guys are a bunch of cry babies... half of these players don't even pan out, no matter how much hype they have or who ends up drafting them. No GM ever hits on every pick, but you guys want to hold Trent to that standard. If you go back to the drafts from 2011, 2012, 2013... go. Please go and see all the players that were taken in the first round or two, then come back and tell me how many are actually relevant today? You'll be surprised.

We all have players we like and we usually grade a draft based on how many players that we like are taken. It doesn't work that way. It's a total crapshoot. You take the players with the measurables and potential that you like and then hope that the player works out.

You guys are the same type of fans that will be raving Baalke if three years down the line, Redmond and Robinson are are two starting corners, Driskel is our starting QB, Taylor is a nice compliment to Hyde, with Garnett a perennial starter at Guard. Buckner, Armstead, and Blair ravaging olines

Just have patience. No one wins the draft the day after. there's no way of knowing and if you think you do, you're just kidding yourself.

You don't hit on every player. That's just silly.

BUT you do need to come away with talented starters from every draft. Not every pick, obviously... But if you go 3 years with the type of minimal yield we've had you will be a bad team. It's that simple. You either get 3-5 true contributors per draft or you don't. But getting just 1 good player, a couple maybe decent back ups, and a bunch of below average back ups is just not good enough in the modern NFL.

You have to keep the cupboard stocked....

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
You don't hit on every player. That's just silly.

BUT you do need to come away with talented starters from every draft. Not every pick, obviously... But if you go 3 years with the type of minimal yield we've had you will be a bad team. It's that simple. You either get 3-5 true contributors per draft or you don't. But getting just 1 good player, a couple maybe decent back ups, and a bunch of below average back ups is just not good enough in the modern NFL.

You have to keep the cupboard stocked....

Yeah I know. But how do you know how many starting players we drafted right after a draft is over? I remember everyone was raving aabout the 2012 draft as soon as it was over, thinking we had crushed it in every round. And granted the jury is still out, but how many players have actually contributed as starters in a meaningful way?

I would say Just Eric Reid, really. Maybe Vance.

And yeah I understand Baalke did not have a good draft that year. All I'm saying is you can't know if a draft was bad the day after. Just like we shouldn't have been feeling great after the 2012 draft.

I think Baalke went into this draft looking to upgrade certain areas... he wanted to upgrade the secondary, the d-line, and and the oline (our three weakest areas)... i don't think he went BPA. And maybe this will work. he's gonna provide a lot of competition in those areas, the cream will rise to the top and our team will be better for it.

It could just as easily be a bad a draft. But I've seen this too long to know that you can never know right off the bat.

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:

Originally posted by ivanm05:
My god you guys are a bunch of cry babies... half of these players don't even pan out, no matter how much hype they have or who ends up drafting them. No GM ever hits on every pick, but you guys want to hold Trent to that standard. If you go back to the drafts from 2011, 2012, 2013... go. Please go and see all the players that were taken in the first round or two, then come back and tell me how many are actually relevant today? You'll be surprised.

We all have players we like and we usually grade a draft based on how many players that we like are taken. It doesn't work that way. It's a total crapshoot. You take the players with the measurables and potential that you like and then hope that the player works out.

You guys are the same type of fans that will be raving Baalke if three years down the line, Redmond and Robinson are are two starting corners, Driskel is our starting QB, Taylor is a nice compliment to Hyde, with Garnett a perennial starter at Guard. Buckner, Armstead, and Blair ravaging olines

Just have patience. No one wins the draft the day after. there's no way of knowing and if you think you do, you're just kidding yourself.

You don't hit on every player. That's just silly.

BUT you do need to come away with talented starters from every draft. Not every pick, obviously... But if you go 3 years with the type of minimal yield we've had you will be a bad team. It's that simple. You either get 3-5 true contributors per draft or you don't. But getting just 1 good player, a couple maybe decent back ups, and a bunch of below average back ups is just not good enough in the modern NFL.

You have to keep the cupboard stocked....

Or you draft these redshirts and not find out that they can't play after a year of waiting. Instead of being ahead, you get an extra year of player development behind. In that case the magnitude of the gamble is amplified.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
It's far too early to know how good of a draft this is...but one thing I'll say is he drafted two beastly DE's, one beastly OG and an OT in Cooper who's known for his toughness. Redmon is a very good CB...Mayock said had he not had his ACL injury in mid-season, he'd likely have been a late 1st or early 2nd rd pick. Robinson has limited college experience, but is fast and known as a good cover CB. Both Mayock and Daniel Jerimiah raved about Ron Blair. After seeing his tape, he looks like the kind of defender Seattle would draft. Cooper looks to be the better OT than Theus, but the latter was a 4-yr starter for GA, so we'll see. I see no problem with Driskel...they'll develop him. He's got very good size and is pretty athletic. Kelvin Taylor seems to have some of his Dad's genes, which is a good thing. Solid RB, did not fumble despite a ton of touches in 2015. Burbridge was the top WR in the Big 10...and would seem to be a value pick in the 6th rd. Again, both Mayock and Jerimiah liked Iworah...he's got 4.32 speed and can close on receivers very quickly. Baalke hit on a number of needs...beefed up the DL, Garnett & Cooper bring some nastiness to the OL, got 3 CB's with good potential, got a QB to develop, got a solid RB. Again, way too soon to know how many of these guys will make the team and/or how much impact they'll have. I really like what Baalke did to beef up both lines...that was much-needed and I think we're in much better shape there.

x2...this draft filled a lot of holes and I believe these picks will surprise a lot of nay sayers a year from NOW

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
It's far too early to know how good of a draft this is...but one thing I'll say is he drafted two beastly DE's, one beastly OG and an OT in Cooper who's known for his toughness. Redmon is a very good CB...Mayock said had he not had his ACL injury in mid-season, he'd likely have been a late 1st or early 2nd rd pick. Robinson has limited college experience, but is fast and known as a good cover CB. Both Mayock and Daniel Jerimiah raved about Ron Blair. After seeing his tape, he looks like the kind of defender Seattle would draft. Cooper looks to be the better OT than Theus, but the latter was a 4-yr starter for GA, so we'll see. I see no problem with Driskel...they'll develop him. He's got very good size and is pretty athletic. Kelvin Taylor seems to have some of his Dad's genes, which is a good thing. Solid RB, did not fumble despite a ton of touches in 2015. Burbridge was the top WR in the Big 10...and would seem to be a value pick in the 6th rd. Again, both Mayock and Jerimiah liked Iworah...he's got 4.32 speed and can close on receivers very quickly. Baalke hit on a number of needs...beefed up the DL, Garnett & Cooper bring some nastiness to the OL, got 3 CB's with good potential, got a QB to develop, got a solid RB. Again, way too soon to know how many of these guys will make the team and/or how much impact they'll have. I really like what Baalke did to beef up both lines...that was much-needed and I think we're in much better shape there.

x2...this draft filled a lot of holes and I believe these picks will surprise a lot of nay sayers a year from NOW

Originally posted by ivanm05:
My god you guys are a bunch of cry babies... half of these players don't even pan out, no matter how much hype they have or who ends up drafting them. No GM ever hits on every pick, but you guys want to hold Trent to that standard. If you go back to the drafts from 2011, 2012, 2013... go. Please go and see all the players that were taken in the first round or two, then come back and tell me how many are actually relevant today? You'll be surprised.

We all have players we like and we usually grade a draft based on how many players that we like are taken. It doesn't work that way. It's a total crapshoot. You take the players with the measurables and potential that you like and then hope that the player works out.

You guys are the same type of fans that will be raving Baalke if three years down the line, Redmond and Robinson are are two starting corners, Driskel is our starting QB, Taylor is a nice compliment to Hyde, with Garnett a perennial starter at Guard. Buckner, Armstead, and Blair ravaging olines

Just have patience. No one wins the draft the day after. there's no way of knowing and if you think you do, you're just kidding yourself.Yep

Yep,I like the Blair pick

I like most of these picks after reading about them more, but we can always speculate that we could have made more sensible picks at positions of greater need.

Originally posted by BadgerHawk:

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:

Originally posted by ivanm05:
My god you guys are a bunch of cry babies... half of these players don't even pan out, no matter how much hype they have or who ends up drafting them. No GM ever hits on every pick, but you guys want to hold Trent to that standard. If you go back to the drafts from 2011, 2012, 2013... go. Please go and see all the players that were taken in the first round or two, then come back and tell me how many are actually relevant today? You'll be surprised.

We all have players we like and we usually grade a draft based on how many players that we like are taken. It doesn't work that way. It's a total crapshoot. You take the players with the measurables and potential that you like and then hope that the player works out.

You guys are the same type of fans that will be raving Baalke if three years down the line, Redmond and Robinson are are two starting corners, Driskel is our starting QB, Taylor is a nice compliment to Hyde, with Garnett a perennial starter at Guard. Buckner, Armstead, and Blair ravaging olines

Just have patience. No one wins the draft the day after. there's no way of knowing and if you think you do, you're just kidding yourself.

You don't hit on every player. That's just silly.

BUT you do need to come away with talented starters from every draft. Not every pick, obviously... But if you go 3 years with the type of minimal yield we've had you will be a bad team. It's that simple. You either get 3-5 true contributors per draft or you don't. But G juast 1 good player, a couple maybe decent back ups, and a bunch of below average back ups is just not good enough in the modern NFL.

You have to keep the cupboard stocked....

Or you draft these redshirts and not find out that they can't play after a year of waiting. Instead of being ahead, you get an extra year of player development behind. In that case the magnitude of the gamble is amplified.

Good point BadgerHawk. If TB really is on the hot seat why would he draft yet another "ACL project" in the 3rd round?

Originally posted by eman:
seriously... ???
I am a die hard 9er fan, and as one... should be justified questioning the moves the GM makes for our team... blind faith is never good...

look... we were heads and shoulders above seahawks in 2011 and 2012, but they drafted Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner, Russel Wilson, Robert Turbin, Jeremy Lane and JR Sweezy in that monstrous draft for them... all these guys went on to contribute to their championship run... that is 6 impact players from one draft!!!!! Nevermind that during this time Baalke drafted Jenkins, lamichael james, looney, darius fleming, trent robinson, Jason SLowey and cam johnson.

....but ... at a time when he needs to hit atleast 4 starters and 2 impact players.. and we have tons of mediocricity at several positions and need some stiff competition (i can think of potential upgrades/future considerations could be had at Center, RG, TE, OLB, MLB).. he goes out and gets 3 CB's and 2 backup OT's?????? I dont ever see teams teams drafting this many players from one position... then if you think that just 2 years ago, we invested heavily in the position with Jimmie Ward, Keith Reaser, Kenneth Acker and Dontae Johnson..

so fans.. hear me... in 2 years, we have had Ward, Reaser, Acker, Johnson, Redmond, Robinson and Prince.. that is 7 CB's picked!!! If a GM and scout duty is to evaluate talent, they should not draft more than few for the position. But when you are drafting 7 players to hopefully fill 2 spots, then it tells me you are not relying on your talent evaluations, but hoping that atleast 2/7 will turn out ok and you save your behind, while we neglect to upgrade other positions. If the arguement is that well, there was no other holes to fill, then trade those picks for following years draft, so we can have boatloads of 4th/5th rounders which we could use to trade up and grab impact players...

I am really irritated and disappointed! really!. no way should a GM be given a pass when he pulls such crap...
baalke's first failed NFL experiment is draft as many ACL injuries and see if he hits on one and looks like a genious
his next failed experiment > draft as many players in one position that hopefull one of them will make you look brilliant.

The only real keeper among the current CBs is Ward and he may wind up at safety. The rest are mid-range performers or lower. Johnson looks like he could develop into a decent player but Acker and Reaser are below starter grade.

I have no problem whatsoever with Redmond and Robinson. Prince is a 7th round prayer that may or may not make the team, although his speed could make him a very good gunner of ST.

Originally posted by eman:

he goes out and gets 3 CB's and 2 backup OT's?????? I dont ever see teams teams drafting this many players from one position... then if you think that just 2 years ago, we invested heavily in the position with Jimmie Ward, Keith Reaser, Kenneth Acker and Dontae Johnson..

Carolina took 3 CBs this year
Cleveland took 4 WRs
Seattle took 3 RBs and 3 interior o-lineman
Rams had 6 picks total, used 4 of them on TEs and WRs.

Need I go on? Sometimes that's how the board falls. They take BPA at a position of need.

Don't mind people having their gripes, but using multiple picks on a position group is a new one to me. Sometimes that's the right move when you're trying to increase competition, get the best players to rise to the top of the depth chart, and simultaneously get the underachievers off the roster at the position group.

My favorite time of the draft is listening to arm chair Mel Kipers/Todd McShay. If either of the 2 were any good as talent scouts they would be working for a team. Lets just see where these guys fall in the depth chart and go from there.

If only there was a thread to discuss Trent Baalke, right?