NYniner85 Mock 1.0 2016

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by SoCold:

The realistic level at which said mock might actually take place. I predict maybe 1 or 2 of those players has a 60% chance of ending up on the 49ers roster. Thus a D- was given. This ain't rocket science.

No, just flawed logic You don't do mock drafts because they are a waste of your time yet you take the time to read them and assign a grade? Seems like a waste of time to me anyways, no?

Haha I get happy if my mocks get 1 player right like when I got the Aaron Lynch pick right. Lol

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by SoCold:
The realistic level at which said mock might actually take place. I predict maybe 1 or 2 of those players has a 60% chance of ending up on the 49ers roster. Thus a D- was given. This ain't rocket science.

No, just flawed logic You don't do mock drafts because they are a waste of your time yet you take the time to read them and assign a grade? Seems like a waste of time to me anyways, no?

MY logic is not flawed because I feel they are a waste of MY time. That was in response to a post asking me where my logical mock draft was.

I took a couple min to read a mock and provide feedback. Not spend hours researching players and typing out pages worth of info that will more than likely never happen. Big difference. I never told anyone not to do mock drafts. How else would I have any to grade?

So doing a mock required understanding, lots of ressearch and knowledge. Yet critiquing a mock draft requires...a lack of knowledge and understanding. Got it.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
So doing a mock required understanding, lots of ressearch and knowledge. Yet critiquing a mock draft requires...a lack of knowledge and understanding. Got it.

How do you get any of that from what I just said?

I didn't say anything close to that. All I said was I AM not taking the time to do all that. Someone was looking for feedback from his mock so I gave what I saw.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
So doing a mock required understanding, lots of ressearch and knowledge. Yet critiquing a mock draft requires...a lack of knowledge and understanding. Got it.

How do you get any of that from what I just said?

I didn't say anything close to that. All I said was I AM not taking the time to do all that. Someone was looking for feedback from his mock so I gave what I saw.

Negative critiques are fine but if you start from the point of view that they are a waste of time then your evaluation suffers the same fate. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what your point is but it is sort of like a theater critic saying I'm not going to waste my time trying to understand the nuances of his play, it was rubbish.

Or put differently, it's like saying all plays are rubbish, therefore I'm going to evaluate your play...it's rubbish.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
So doing a mock required understanding, lots of ressearch and knowledge. Yet critiquing a mock draft requires...a lack of knowledge and understanding. Got it.

How do you get any of that from what I just said?

I didn't say anything close to that. All I said was I AM not taking the time to do all that. Someone was looking for feedback from his mock so I gave what I saw.

Negative critiques are fine but if you start from the point of view that they are a waste of time then your evaluation suffers the same fate. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what your point is but it is sort of like a theater critic saying I'm not going to waste my time trying to understand the nuances of his play, it was rubbish.

Or put differently, it's like saying all plays are rubbish, therefore I'm going to evaluate your play...it's rubbish.

Nah, It's nothing like that. Just don't want to waste my time doing a mock draft.

My common sense tells me that it's very likely that those FA won't sing here, those trades will never happen and the players in those spots prob won't play out like that. It's an easy few minutes of breakdown. That's all.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Nah, It's nothing like that. Just don't want to waste my time doing a mock draft.

My common sense tells me that it's very likely that those FA won't sing here, those trades will never happen and the players in those spots prob won't play out like that. It's an easy few minutes of breakdown. That's all.

Some people enjoy making mocks to point out players that they enjoyed watching. We obviously aren't lucky enough to be one of the 32 people in the world to be a GM of a major football team but like to fantasize about what we would do and look back at how well we would have done once the draft is over and a few years pass. Todd McShay, Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock have like a 5% accuracy with their collective mocks but it's just a fun thing to do in someone's down time.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

NY...I like most of your off-season moves a lot. Only sticking point for me is at NT...I like Ian Williams, but I don't think he'll ever be a dominant player. We don't have studs at DE like Ray Mac and Justin Smith any longer...so I'd like to see Baalke sign FA NT Damon Harrison, an absolute beast of a run-stopper. I like Malik Jackson, but would rather see Wilkerson or Vernon (Miami) opposite Armstead. An Amstead - Harrison - Wilkerson/Vernon DL would make major strides toward regaining something close to dominance.

Ian Williams was a top 20 interior lineman and top 10 against the run this past season...now your saying we don't have dominate DEs yet he still put up those numbers...I like Harrison but look who he was playing next too You don't think that helped him a little?

Vernon would be a OLB in our 3-4 and id rather get spencer and Jackson plus I see out chances of getting Jackson much more realistic vs Vernon. I don't see wilk being available that's why I didn't put him in...id love grabbing all the players you mentioned just think mind are a little more realistic

Thanks for the comments greatly appreciated

Nice mock! Like the Jackson acquisition (he's in almost every mock offseason recently) and I like Sean Smith a lot if we can steal him from the Chiefs.

Not in love with the Alex Smith acquisition. Would rather see us go for Kelechi Osemele (unlikely to be tagged given the tag is assigned to OL not to individual positions). Almost 4 years younger and OG is a bigger need than C in my opinion especially if we let Boone go. Cordy Glenn would be an awesome acquisition too but he's going to get LT money.

In terms of the draft, I like Spence especially if we get him in a trade back. Love Prosise although that may be too late to get him. I think that's a little early to take Whitehair - there aren't any really good OG or C prospects in this draft. Would rather see us go with one of the OT's (Colemon, Ifedi, or Springs) there who have more long term potential in my opinion even if we have to convert them to guard (Ifedi has experience at guard).

All in all, would be very happy if things went down like this.

Overall, an excellent mock. Not sure Kelly would fight for/against Spence and Jordan given his aversion to troubled athletes, but I love the moves you've proposed.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Nice mock! Like the Jackson acquisition (he's in almost every mock offseason recently) and I like Sean Smith a lot if we can steal him from the Chiefs.

Not in love with the Alex Smith acquisition. Would rather see us go for Kelechi Osemele (unlikely to be tagged given the tag is assigned to OL not to individual positions). Almost 4 years younger and OG is a bigger need than C in my opinion especially if we let Boone go. Cordy Glenn would be an awesome acquisition too but he's going to get LT money.

In terms of the draft, I like Spence especially if we get him in a trade back. Love Prosise although that may be too late to get him. I think that's a little early to take Whitehair - there aren't any really good OG or C prospects in this draft. Would rather see us go with one of the OT's (Colemon, Ifedi, or Springs) there who have more long term potential in my opinion even if we have to convert them to guard (Ifedi has experience at guard).

All in all, would be very happy if things went down like this.

I'm guessing you mean Alex Mack I'd like a vet center and push Kilgore out to OG vs overpaying for Osemele at OG Glenn is gonna get like $ 10 million a year reported.

Thanks for the comments!

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Overall, an excellent mock. Not sure Kelly would fight for/against Spence and Jordan given his aversion to troubled athletes, but I love the moves you've proposed.

Thanks if spencer is the pick we will know who's in charge lol.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

So doing a mock required understanding, lots of ressearch and knowledge. Yet critiquing a mock draft requires...a lack of knowledge and understanding. Got it.

How do you get any of that from what I just said?

I didn't say anything close to that. All I said was I AM not taking the time to do all that. Someone was looking for feedback from his mock so I gave what I saw.

Negative critiques are fine but if you start from the point of view that they are a waste of time then your evaluation suffers the same fate. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what your point is but it is sort of like a theater critic saying I'm not going to waste my time trying to understand the nuances of his play, it was rubbish.

Or put differently, it's like saying all plays are rubbish, therefore I'm going to evaluate your play...it's rubbish.

This whole argument is rubbish

Originally posted by strickac:
This whole argument is rubbish

Interesting argument...can you elaborate?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Nah, It's nothing like that. Just don't want to waste my time doing a mock draft.

My common sense tells me that it's very likely that those FA won't sing here, those trades will never happen and the players in those spots prob won't play out like that. It's an easy few minutes of breakdown. That's all.

Some people enjoy making mocks to point out players that they enjoyed watching. We obviously aren't lucky enough to be one of the 32 people in the world to be a GM of a major football team but like to fantasize about what we would do and look back at how well we would have done once the draft is over and a few years pass. Todd McShay, Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock have like a 5% accuracy with their collective mocks but it's just a fun thing to do in someone's down time.

I enjoy the process and thinking about what could make the team better...I try to be logical when making a mock but no one can obviously be dead on with it lol.

I also know when I'm putting my mock out there for everyone to see, I'll get haters and people who think if things went this way we'd be in a better position to compete.

Plus it brings up some good dialogue about young players and FAs.

So it's all good