Connor Cook watch

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Well, I'm not sold on Goff, and Lynch will probably be the 1st QB taken.

Then dont take a QB in the first

I don't want to reach for any player especially a QB. sometimes drafts just don't have that elite signal caller it happens...if we want a developmental pick grab wentz in the 2nd.

We draft Cook in the first because he's a better long term option than Gabbert. And the only "reach" will be drafting a QB in the first not named Lynch, Cook, or Goff. You know, I really think that people are just afraid of the "bust" factor, and thus willing to "settle" for just good enough - the "just get us by" player. We have far too many of those type of players on our roster as it is. Neither Gabbert or Glennon is gonna take us to the next level. Contrary to popular belief on the ZOne I really don't think the team is totally devoid of talent - except at the QB position. The 49ers suffers mostly from coaching and ownership. But that's my opinion.

Drafting Cook in the top 5 would be a huge reach IMO. Crazy how the guy from Chicago likes Conner Cook

I will agree I don't think we are devoid of talent either. I would rather grab a player at the top that is more pro-ready, like someone along either side of the line or a LB...also I'm praying we move on from this coaching staff as well.

Well,we just differ on Cook, because I don't think he's a reach in the top 5 at all. In fact, I think he'd be a steal if he falls out of the top 10. But that's me.

Me liking Cook is all about being objective. Besides, I'm not from Chicago originally. I was born and raised in St. Louis (hate the Rams but love my baseball Cardinals), but I moved here in '07 from Florida after spending 10 years in the Army. But I digress. . . . . . I have no emotional ties that I cannot see a good fit for my 49ers.

When we're talking about QB's very few, if any, are "NFL ready". Plus, while I'm in favor of drafting a QB in the 1st I think it's best to sit him for a season and let Gabbert bridge him in for 2017.

The way I see it the only way we get a new coaching staff is if we loose our remaining games the way we lost to the Browns (which, BTW, I'm hoping for).

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Well,we just differ on Cook, because I don't think he's a reach in the top 5 at all. In fact, I think he'd be a steal if he falls out of the top 10. But that's me.

Me liking Cook is all about being objective. Besides, I'm not from Chicago originally. I was born and raised in St. Louis (hate the Rams but love my baseball Cardinals), but I moved here in '07 from Florida after spending 10 years in the Army. But I digress. . . . . . I have no emotional ties that I cannot see a good fit for my 49ers.

When we're talking about QB's very few, if any, are "NFL ready". Plus, while I'm in favor of drafting a QB in the 1st I think it's best to sit him for a season and let Gabbert bridge him in for 2017.

The way I see it the only way we get a new coaching staff is if we loose our remaining games the way we lost to the Browns (which, BTW, I'm hoping for).

Yeah just poking fun a little

We will have to agree to disagree on Cook and I think you're in the minority thinking he's a top 5 talent. I haven't seen any analysts, scouts, or a mock that has him sniffing the top 5.

I think he's more pro-ready then the other but his ceiling isn't as high. That Iowa game didn't help him either IMO. It's really hard for me to root for a dude who come's off as a dick and seems to be a little full of himself, but I guess the scouting department will have to figure that out. I can't wait to see the bama game, that will be a real test for sure!

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Well,we just differ on Cook, because I don't think he's a reach in the top 5 at all. In fact, I think he'd be a steal if he falls out of the top 10. But that's me.

Me liking Cook is all about being objective. Besides, I'm not from Chicago originally. I was born and raised in St. Louis (hate the Rams but love my baseball Cardinals), but I moved here in '07 from Florida after spending 10 years in the Army. But I digress. . . . . . I have no emotional ties that I cannot see a good fit for my 49ers.

When we're talking about QB's very few, if any, are "NFL ready". Plus, while I'm in favor of drafting a QB in the 1st I think it's best to sit him for a season and let Gabbert bridge him in for 2017.

The way I see it the only way we get a new coaching staff is if we loose our remaining games the way we lost to the Browns (which, BTW, I'm hoping for).

There's an awful lot of people with no emotional ties who do not think he will be a good QB for the 49ers or a good QB anywhere for that matter. You sound ridiculous when you say things like "Me liking Cook is all about being objective."

FB is the only position I think we're talented at. The Browns have more talented players than the 49ers right now (Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, and Joe Haden would be the 3 best players by far on the 49ers).

Cook would be a wasted pick in my opinion because I don't think he'll ever be as good as Gabbert and I'm no fan of Gabbert. Gabbert has the same physical tools, is more accurate, and doesn't have the character concerns. He's only 3 years and a few months older than Cook too (Cook turns 23 in January).

Being objective Cook statistically has 3,125% of being sucessfull in NFL

Originally posted by Judge82Dredd:
Being objective Cook statistically has 3,125% of being sucessfull in NFL

what does being successful equal to you? If you mean kirk cousins successful then sure

Cook will be a bust. He doesn't have the right mental make to succeed at the pro level.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
what does being successful equal to you? If you mean kirk cousins successful then sure

Success----> starter

Cook will do the same thing that Jake Locker did.Jake Locker was a full time backup type of player before he retire

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Yeah just poking fun a little

We will have to agree to disagree on Cook and I think you're in the minority thinking he's a top 5 talent. I haven't seen any analysts, scouts, or a mock that has him sniffing the top 5.

I think he's more pro-ready then the other but his ceiling isn't as high. That Iowa game didn't help him either IMO. It's really hard for me to root for a dude who come's off as a dick and seems to be a little full of himself, but I guess the scouting department will have to figure that out. I can't wait to see the bama game, that will be a real test for sure!

Cook was injured during the Iowa game. I never thought his talent was in question, just character. Not sure why it's so crazy for a guy to like a prospect who's big knock is character. It would make sense to me that the people who watch college football like him, and the people who read more draft reports would not.

I'm not trying to defend Cook, the last thing I want is a QB with character concerns. More defending 9erlifeinchicago.

Originally posted by Judge82Dredd:
Success----> starter

Cook will do the same thing that Jake Locker did.Jake Locker was a full time backup type of player before he retire

We have no way of knowing what Jake Locker would've been; he was still young. Injuries ended his career.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
We have no way of knowing what Jake Locker would've been; he was still young. Injuries ended his career.

Jake Locker had very good arm good mobility but he was prone to bad decision making and had mediocre accuracy

Originally posted by Judge82Dredd:
Jake Locker had very good arm good mobility but he was prone to bad decision making and had mediocre accuracy

That's true, but those are things with which a lot of young QBs struggle. He's the Kijana Carter of QBs; we have no way of knowing if he could've been great or not because of injuries.

Look at this lightning-quick delivery and release to the sideline by Connor Cook. It's amazing. A slower release, and does not get to the receiver:

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The thing that separates Cook as the best QB of the bunch, IMO, is that he's EXTREMELY coordinated. He puts his hand out for play action & turns around to view the field quicker than any QB I've seen in a while. He also checks off his routes faster than any QB I've seen in a while. It's a mental thing. His ability to process is just extremely fast.

The one area he needs work is his feet. His arm is so strong that he sometimes gets sloppy with his footwork, and his passes are off a bit because of it. That's absolutely fixable. I'd much rather have a guy with inconsistent footwork than a guy who struggles mentally or a guy who holds on to the ball too long.

Cook is gonna be a guy who frustrates the crap out of pass rushers because they'll barely ever get close to him. Cook just surveys & releases too quickly for the pass rush to get to him. He'll make O-linemen look really good. With Cook, a GM can concentrate on finding O-linemen who are great run-blockers & not have to worry about them being all-pro' pass protectors (like Iupati). That's a recipe for a demoralizing offense (demoralizing for the other team of course).

And the "character concerns" about this guy are laughable. Winston went #1 overall with a criminal record; tons of college players smoke weed & are known party animals (Manziel). THOSE are the kinds of things that should concern you about character. Cook awkwardly accepted a friggn' trophy. Woopdie-doo.