Worst 5 Drafts in Last 10 Years

The only thing keeping the 9ers from being higher is that their picks were at #30 of each round.

I don't think anyone debates the debacle of the 2012 draft, but they basically could have just passed on every single one of their picks (which hey, they basically did) and not equaled the blow of taking Jamarcus #1 overall.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
The only thing keeping the 9ers from being higher is that their picks were at #30 of each round.

I don't think anyone debates the debacle of the 2012 draft, but they basically could have just passed on every single one of their picks (which hey, they basically did) and not equaled the blow of taking Jamarcus #1 overall.

Yeah - Jamarcus really epitomized the decline of Al Davis more than any other selection he made.

Another instance over an over-hyped player.

We've had our share and our bad season - '12 but that's behind us now.

This year I'm looking forward to Thomas, Martin, Patton, Ellington on the offense - Pinnion and Tart on ST and Tank, Lynch an Dial on the D.

How can they assess this draft without including the 3 picks in the following year that came out of the trading?

Originally posted by English:
How can they assess this draft without including the 3 picks in the following year that came out of the trading?

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Originally posted by English:
How can they assess this draft without including the 3 picks in the following year that came out of the trading?

Because it's addressing who was drafted and their impacts on the team or lack thereof. It terms of the talent drafted that year and their non-existent contributions it was a pretty abysmal draft.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by English:

How can they assess this draft without including the 3 picks in the following year that came out of the trading?

Because it's addressing who was drafted and their impacts on the team or lack thereof. It terms of the talent drafted that year and their non-existent contributions it was a pretty abysmal draft.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by English:

How can they assess this draft without including the 3 picks in the following year that came out of the trading?

Because it's addressing who was drafted and their impacts on the team or lack thereof. It terms of the talent drafted that year and their non-existent contributions it was a pretty abysmal draft.

Sorry but limiting it to that year appears to be your view not the writers, unless I miss something. And if a team had drafted Jerry Rice that year but not played him, do you not think that the long term impact of that pick would have been included? Of course it would.

Originally posted by English:
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Sorry but limiting it to that year appears to be your view not the writers, unless I miss something. And if a team had drafted Jerry Rice that year but not played him, do you not think that the long term impact of that pick would have been included? Of course it would.

The writer explicitly states as much when qualifying the drafts as poor using the metrics of the amount of primary starters drafted and total games played. Not sure what you're not following in the article.

The 2012 draft class has combined for just eight career NFL starts (no starts coming during their rookie seasons); no team's draft class outside of the 2014 draft has produced fewer total starts.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by English:
How can they assess this draft without including the 3 picks in the following year that came out of the trading?

Because it's addressing who was drafted and their impacts on the team or lack thereof. It terms of the talent drafted that year and their non-existent contributions it was a pretty abysmal draft.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by English:
How can they assess this draft without including the 3 picks in the following year that came out of the trading?

Because it's addressing who was drafted and their impacts on the team or lack thereof. It terms of the talent drafted that year and their non-existent contributions it was a pretty abysmal draft.

Sorry but limiting it to that year appears to be your view not the writers, unless I miss something. And if a team had drafted Jerry Rice that year but not played him, do you not think that the long term impact of that pick would have been included? Of course it would.

well the following year wasn't much better



1(18). Eric Reid, Safety, LSU - good player but concussion problems
2(40). Cornellius "Tank" Carradine, Defensive End, Florida State - so far he's a bust
2(55). Vance McDonald, Tight End, Rice - big time bust
3(88). Corey Lemonier, Outside Linebacker, Auburn - bust
4(128). Quinton Patton, Wide Receiver, Louisiana Tech - back up caliber player
4(131). Marcus Lattimore, Running Back, South Carolina - epic waste of pick
5(157). Quinton Dial, Defensive Lineman, Alabama - decent rotational player
6(180). Nick Moody, Linebacker, Florida State - special teams only player
7(237). B.J. Daniels, Quarterback, South Florida - cut
7(246). Carter Bykowski, Offensive Tackle, Iowa State - cut
7(252). Marcus Cooper, Defensive Back, Rutgers- cut

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by English:

How can they assess this draft without including the 3 picks in the following year that came out of the trading?

Because it's addressing who was drafted and their impacts on the team or lack thereof. It terms of the talent drafted that year and their non-existent contributions it was a pretty abysmal draft.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by English:

How can they assess this draft without including the 3 picks in the following year that came out of the trading?

Because it's addressing who was drafted and their impacts on the team or lack thereof. It terms of the talent drafted that year and their non-existent contributions it was a pretty abysmal draft.

Sorry but limiting it to that year appears to be your view not the writers, unless I miss something. And if a team had drafted Jerry Rice that year but not played him, do you not think that the long term impact of that pick would have been included? Of course it would.

well the following year wasn't much better



1(18). Eric Reid, Safety, LSU - good player but concussion problems
2(40). Cornellius "Tank" Carradine, Defensive End, Florida State - so far he's a bust
2(55). Vance McDonald, Tight End, Rice - big time bust
3(88). Corey Lemonier, Outside Linebacker, Auburn - bust
4(128). Quinton Patton, Wide Receiver, Louisiana Tech - back up caliber player
4(131). Marcus Lattimore, Running Back, South Carolina - epic waste of pick
5(157). Quinton Dial, Defensive Lineman, Alabama - decent rotational player
6(180). Nick Moody, Linebacker, Florida State - special teams only player
7(237). B.J. Daniels, Quarterback, South Florida - cut
7(246). Carter Bykowski, Offensive Tackle, Iowa State - cut
7(252). Marcus Cooper, Defensive Back, Rutgers- cut

Do we have to go through this yet again?

You are writing off players because the previous coaches didn't give them playing time or appropriate opportunities. Carradine, Dial, Patton and McDonald will in all probability contribute bit time this year. Reid, with better individual coaching is likely to be fine but hard to see how this one counts against the standard of drafting.

The following year only "wasn't much better" if you are just interested in putting down Baalke.

Originally posted by English:
Do we have to go through this yet again?

You are writing off players because the previous coaches didn't give them playing time or appropriate opportunities. Carradine, Dial, Patton and McDonald will in all probability contribute bit time this year. Reid, with better individual coaching is likely to be fine but hard to see how this one counts against the standard of drafting.

The following year only "wasn't much better" if you are just interested in putting down Baalke.

You speaking on on probabilities while I speak on facts up to this point, of course anyone can turn in around but what they have done (or haven't done) so far does matter.

Also lol at Reid receiving better individual coaching, Donatell is one of the best secondary coaches in the business.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by English:

But
Sorry but limiting it to that year appears to be your view not the writers, unless I miss something. And if a team had drafted Jerry Rice that year but not played him, do you not think that the long term impact of that pick would have been included? Of course it would.

The writer explicitly states as much when qualifying the drafts as poor using the metrics of the amount of primary starters drafted and total games played. Not sure what you're not following in the article.

The 2012 draft class has combined for just eight career NFL starts (no starts coming during their rookie seasons); no team's draft class outside of the 2014 draft has produced fewer total starts.

Judging it that way avoids taking drafting back in time into account. Anyway, he makes a point about career starts as opposed to rookie starts, and thus is not limiting it to one year.

A draft can only be assessed on the value added to the team. By players, draft picks, trades for picks, trades for players. No other method has any point.

Originally posted by susweel:

You speaking on on probabilities while I speak on facts up to this point, of course anyone can turn in around but what they have done (or haven't done) so far does matter.

Also lol at Reid receiving better individual coaching, Donatell is one of the best secondary coaches in the business.

But didn't, it would seem, address the way he tackled. Which was, of course, my point.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by susweel:
You speaking on on probabilities while I speak on facts up to this point, of course anyone can turn in around but what they have done (or haven't done) so far does matter.

Also lol at Reid receiving better individual coaching, Donatell is one of the best secondary coaches in the business.

But didn't, it would seem, address the way he tackled. Which was, of course, my point.

maybe he just has a soft head.

Originally posted by susweel:
well the following year wasn't much better



1(18). Eric Reid, Safety, LSU - good player but concussion problems
2(40). Cornellius "Tank" Carradine, Defensive End, Florida State - so far he's a bust
2(55). Vance McDonald, Tight End, Rice - big time bust
3(88). Corey Lemonier, Outside Linebacker, Auburn - bust
4(128). Quinton Patton, Wide Receiver, Louisiana Tech - back up caliber player
4(131). Marcus Lattimore, Running Back, South Carolina - epic waste of pick
5(157). Quinton Dial, Defensive Lineman, Alabama - decent rotational player
6(180). Nick Moody, Linebacker, Florida State - special teams only player
7(237). B.J. Daniels, Quarterback, South Florida - cut
7(246). Carter Bykowski, Offensive Tackle, Iowa State - cut
7(252). Marcus Cooper, Defensive Back, Rutgers- cut

Sadly this has been pretty accurate so far. I think Tank will break out a be a decent players. All those top picks and we haven't seen any major production except for Reid. Tank hasn't really played much and McDonald has pretty much failed every opportunity he has been given. These guys really need to shine this year. the 2012 draft was god awful