#3-mock

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm just giving you feed back man lol. I thought MW played well last year and it will come down to Bowman's health as far as LB. I trust Baalke at finding value at LB and CB. Borland had real short arms and Baalke drafted him?

Right we don't know a ton about our young DL players so why not play them, we drafted them for a reason lol.

I don't hate your mock but some balance is nessary and is what baalke has done in the past.

The players you have mentioned aren't probably BPA at where you have them either...the only upgrade we have added on offense is smith

Wilhoite was ok, that's all. Borland had overtaken MW on the depth chart.
Again, we are talking about an ILB not a pass-rusher.

Why not upgrading the d-line with higher upside?

in the past, we were not bleeding that much and we haven't so many question over the d-line. We don't know what Tank is really capable of or whether he, Dockett or Smith can stay healthy. And I don't want to find us out the hard way. I want "next man up" there.

Besides Smith who is a huge upgrade, we added Bush and Jerome Simpson. What else do you need? Need I to go through every position on offense in order to open your eyes to the fact that a lot of final roster-positions are already filled?
There is one position I thought about going for on offense, in the 2nd round, with the Davis-pick: TE, Clive Walford. Then, you would come up with Vance McDonald, Carrier and Celek instead.
The filled WR-Postion I've already proved to be pretty much stacked, the RB-position is the only one in question (filled more or less through the 7th-round pick though).
O-Line? Center is set? RG, LT, RT is set as well. LG will be desided between MMartin and Thomas. One of them will be a backup like Looney and an additional guy.

So please tell me, if you want to make it different, then tell me how, including the roster move.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm just giving you feed back man lol. I thought MW played well last year and it will come down to Bowman's health as far as LB. I trust Baalke at finding value at LB and CB. Borland had real short arms and Baalke drafted him?

Right we don't know a ton about our young DL players so why not play them, we drafted them for a reason lol.

I don't hate your mock but some balance is nessary and is what baalke has done in the past.

The players you have mentioned aren't probably BPA at where you have them either...the only upgrade we have added on offense is smith

Wilhoite was ok, that's all. Borland had overtaken MW on the depth chart.
Again, we are talking about an ILB not a pass-rusher.

Why not upgrading the d-line with higher upside?

in the past, we were not bleeding that much and we haven't so many question over the d-line. We don't know what Tank is really capable of or whether he, Dockett or Smith can stay healthy. And I don't want to find us out the hard way. I want "next man up" there.

Besides Smith who is a huge upgrade, we added Bush and Jerome Simpson. What else do you need? Need I to go through every position on offense in order to open your eyes to the fact that a lot of final roster-positions are already filled?
There is one position I thought about going for on offense, in the 2nd round, with the Davis-pick: TE, Clive Walford. Then, you would come up with Vance McDonald, Carrier and Celek instead.
The filled WR-Postion I've already proved to be pretty much stacked, the RB-position is the only one in question (filled more or less through the 7th-round pick though).
O-Line? Center is set? RG, LT, RT is set as well. LG will be desided between MMartin and Thomas. One of them will be a backup like Looney and an additional guy.

So please tell me, if you want to make it different, then tell me how, including the roster move.

I wouldn't trade out of the 1st with all of the losses we just had. We need some high end talent on this team at ILB, D Line, CB, RB, and probably at WR. Maybe trade back once or twice and pick up two extra 3rds and pick in the 25 to 30 range in the 1st.

1st round players come with the 5th year option and that is big if the player is good.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm just giving you feed back man lol. I thought MW played well last year and it will come down to Bowman's health as far as LB. I trust Baalke at finding value at LB and CB. Borland had real short arms and Baalke drafted him?

Right we don't know a ton about our young DL players so why not play them, we drafted them for a reason lol.

I don't hate your mock but some balance is nessary and is what baalke has done in the past.

The players you have mentioned aren't probably BPA at where you have them either...the only upgrade we have added on offense is smith

Wilhoite was ok, that's all. Borland had overtaken MW on the depth chart.
Again, we are talking about an ILB not a pass-rusher.

Why not upgrading the d-line with higher upside?

in the past, we were not bleeding that much and we haven't so many question over the d-line. We don't know what Tank is really capable of or whether he, Dockett or Smith can stay healthy. And I don't want to find us out the hard way. I want "next man up" there.

Besides Smith who is a huge upgrade, we added Bush and Jerome Simpson. What else do you need? Need I to go through every position on offense in order to open your eyes to the fact that a lot of final roster-positions are already filled?
There is one position I thought about going for on offense, in the 2nd round, with the Davis-pick: TE, Clive Walford. Then, you would come up with Vance McDonald, Carrier and Celek instead.
The filled WR-Postion I've already proved to be pretty much stacked, the RB-position is the only one in question (filled more or less through the 7th-round pick though).
O-Line? Center is set? RG, LT, RT is set as well. LG will be desided between MMartin and Thomas. One of them will be a backup like Looney and an additional guy.

So please tell me, if you want to make it different, then tell me how, including the roster move.

Well I don't really see bush/Hyde as a upgrade to gore/Hyde. We lost SJ and crab and replaced them with smith. I don't see Simpson even active on game days...we don't have to have two all-pro LBs to have a good defense. We have been spoiled in that regard. I'm fine with the oline and like the Cedric pickup.

I'm not saying we don't need DL help and I like Davis. The way things have gone it wouldn't be a bad thing to have a better offense because we might not have that shut down defense we are use too.

Originally posted by pd24:
I wouldn't trade out of the 1st with all of the losses we just had. We need some high end talent on this team at ILB, D Line, CB, RB, and probably at WR. Maybe trade back once or twice and pick up two extra 3rds and pick in the 25 to 30 range in the 1st.

1st round players come with the 5th year option and that is big if the player is good.

I don't see a lot of value around 25-30 as stated in the opening post.

1st-round players also make more money against our cap.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well I don't really see bush/Hyde as a upgrade to gore/Hyde. We lost SJ and crab and replaced them with smith. I don't see Simpson even active on game days...we don't have to have two all-pro LBs to have a good defense. We have been spoiled in that regard. I'm fine with the oline and like the Cedric pickup.

I'm not saying we don't need DL help and I like Davis. The way things have gone it wouldn't be a bad thing to have a better offense because we might not have that shut down defense we are use too.

Bush/Hyde was never intended to be an upgrade over Gore/Hyde because the philosophies behind these groups are completely different. The former one allows to attack the edges in the very first time since I dont know when whereas the latter pair is a one-two-punch with limited off the tackle ability.

And we haven't replaced Crabs and SJ with Torrey Smith because he is not the same type of player. Torrey is a deep threat whereas the gone players were possession receivers. In Patton, we got a possession guy, sitting around for 2 years already.

We are certainly not spoiled with all-pro LBs right now at all. First of all, we dont even know about Bowman's health status, secondly we've lost Willis and Borland, thirdly Graham arrived in the NFC West. We have to react to that.
We don't know whether Lynch can keep up the good work from 2014 or not. sophomore slump anyone?
Aldon is a moron.
Lemonier a nobody.
We are not dead when it comes down to the LB-corps, at OLB in particular but we need some help there badly and besides through direct help, we could mask their weaknesses if we play better and more consistent in the trenches.
We need the shut-down defense. Otherwise, we will fall back in the division.

Now, tell me your alternative on the offensive side of the ball please, including the roster move.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Well I don't really see bush/Hyde as a upgrade to gore/Hyde. We lost SJ and crab and replaced them with smith. I don't see Simpson even active on game days...we don't have to have two all-pro LBs to have a good defense. We have been spoiled in that regard. I'm fine with the oline and like the Cedric pickup.

I'm not saying we don't need DL help and I like Davis. The way things have gone it wouldn't be a bad thing to have a better offense because we might not have that shut down defense we are use too.

Bush/Hyde was never intended to be an upgrade over Gore/Hyde because the philosophies behind these groups are completely different. The former one allows to attack the edges in the very first time since I dont know when whereas the latter pair is a one-two-punch with limited off the tackle ability.

And we haven't replaced Crabs and SJ with Torrey Smith because he is not the same type of player. Torrey is a deep threat whereas the gone players were possession receivers. In Patton, we got a possession guy, sitting around for 2 years already.

We are certainly not spoiled with all-pro LBs right now at all. First of all, we dont even know about Bowman's health status, secondly we've lost Willis and Borland, thirdly Graham arrived in the NFC West. We have to react to that.
We don't know whether Lynch can keep up the good work from 2014 or not. sophomore slump anyone?
Aldon is a moron.
Lemonier a nobody.
We are not dead when it comes down to the LB-corps, at OLB in particular but we need some help there badly and besides through direct help, we could mask their weaknesses if we play better and more consistent in the trenches.
We need the shut-down defense. Otherwise, we will fall back in the division.

Now, tell me your alternative on the offensive side of the ball please, including the roster move.

Lol well I'm currently on my phone and a couple Guinness deep soooo...I'll get back to you as far as taking the time to reevaluate alternatives I'll be throwing another mock together based on all the chaos that has happend lol...like I said I don't hate your mock just throwing some feedback


Happy St Patty's day

Trading out of the first round completely is too risky.

Im a huge fan of the Anthony pick. I would be ok taking him or McKinney around the 20-30 overall range.

The rest of it? Well, Ill just say I would be inclined to take it in a different direction. Maybe like a Dorsett and Ajayi pairing for the offense to hopefully catch a spark.

Thanks but I am not an Irish

Take your time. and it is not about hating or not. It's just about your demanding of more picks for the offense. But according to my assumption, there isn't barely space for new talent.

Okay here we go: here is your mock and who I think I'd like given the spots you have available.

FYI I wouldn't mind a trade down, but I don't see the reason for trading out of the 1st.

2a: ILB Stephone Anthony, Clemson-I like Wilhoite as a starter and like you said it will come down to Bowman. I like Breshad Perriman at this spot, and he will be or 3rd WR and a solid 1-2 in the future with Smith. I like the value at that position. Patton hasn't shown anything, yes I know he really hasn't had a chance, but he lost out to a old washed up Lloyd in training camp for a reason. If Bowman isn't healthy enough then I like the Anthony pick or McKinney.

2b: DT/DE Carl Davis, Iowa-Love the pick and would be happy with him But I think CB is a bigger need and if Bryon Jones is there I say we take him. He fights for a starting spot day one.

3a: DT/DE Marcus Hardison, Arizona State- I like going DT/DE in this round and I like Mario Edwards Jr. at this spot. He is versatile and has long arms/big hands, Baalke likes the ACC

3b: OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M-Now this is all about bowman's health, but I'd roll with ILB at this spot Dawson is projected around this spot and while having some character issue he just makes plays, he's about the same size as Borland and like I said if Bowman isn't ready to roll this upcoming season going after Anthony or McKinney will be a top priority like you said. Perryman is also projected to be there on the big board he wouldn't be a bad option.

4a: WR Chris Conley, Georgia-I'm not a fan of Conley and we already grabbed a WR, I would like to get a RB, IF Hyde get's hurt we are toast at the position and if we want to run the ball we need to have a stable. I would pick between Langford, Cobb, or Allen.

4b: CB Josh Cox, Mississippi State-Well if Ogbuehi is still there that would be amazing but I doubt it. Henry Anderson my be a solid pick in the 4th like you said need DL. Mitch Morse might be the pick if you want to roll OL. He is strong and tough, smaller arms so he will be stuck at OG. We did pick up Pears (for some reason lol) and he will fight for a swing tackle role next season.

5: FS Adrian Amos, Penn State-I'm set with this pick, I have him in the 6th in my mock.

6: OLB Zach Wagenmann, Montana-Might be a steal! I'm good with it.

7a: DT Bobby Richardson, Indiana-I went DT in the 7th in my mock as well.

7b: RB Trey Williams, Texas A&M-I'd roll with CB in the 7th and grabbed Bobby McCain, Baalke like going CB late.



So he is what I got (also I looked at the CBS big board as well) not sure who you traded with so I can't pin-point exact draft spots.

2a. Perriman- Boldin, Smith, Perriman are our top three and Ellington rolls into the slot.
2b. Bryon Jones-He would fight Johnson for starting duties next to Brock. (I wouldn't mind Davis either )
3a. Mario Edwards- He needs to be coached up but is a 3-4 DE for us. (if we roll Davis in 2nd Alex Carter would be fine)
3b. Dawson or Perryman- This all comes down to Bowman's health and they would battle it out with MW for a starting spot.
4a. RB is needed for depth (only as good as your backups) Langford if there would be my pick.
4b. Hope Cedric falls (wouldn't mind to trade up) but I like Morse here, added depth and OL should be looked at here.
5. Same pick- I like Amos's upside needs to learn how to tackle better but that can be taught. Not sure why we kept Dahl
6. Love your pick with Wagermann I like him over Corey on the depth chart.
7. DT grab a fatty lol
7. CB Bobby McCain, TB is known for grabbing some CBs late.

So there you have it, not really much different than yours other than WR/RB/CB a little earlier. Our draft weighs on the health of Bowman. And my point with being spoiled at LB was because we have been for years, most teams don't have one pro-bowler we've had two. Dealing with Graham, well that's a issue. If Bowman's healthy that is huge. Our pro-bowl safeties will help and Seattle's horrible o-line and our pass rush will help as well. I went offense higher because if our defense takes a dip then our offense needs to man up and score more points. This is a make or break year for Kap in my opinion....whatcha think?

Originally posted by communist:
Thanks but I am not an Irish

Take your time. and it is not about hating or not. It's just about your demanding of more picks for the offense. But according to my assumption, there isn't barely space for new talent.

Oh and everyone is Irish on St. Patty's day

Comm...I like your mock a lot. I'd pick a bigger RB earlier, though. Rationale is we have Hyde, a thumper, and two speed backs in Bush and Hunter. Getting another thumper would create a very balanced corps of RB's. It's important to factor in that Chryst isn't Roman and will use his RB's in a number of different ways...another reason I'd like the balance of two power guys and two speedsters. Love the big DL...good to see you recognize that's a huge priority to sustain a powerful front 7...three might be one two many, but love the guys early. Nice job, man.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Okay here we go: here is your mock and who I think I'd like given the spots you have available.

FYI I wouldn't mind a trade down, but I don't see the reason for trading out of the 1st.

2a: ILB Stephone Anthony, Clemson-I like Wilhoite as a starter and like you said it will come down to Bowman. I like Breshad Perriman at this spot, and he will be or 3rd WR and a solid 1-2 in the future with Smith. I like the value at that position. Patton hasn't shown anything, yes I know he really hasn't had a chance, but he lost out to a old washed up Lloyd in training camp for a reason. If Bowman isn't healthy enough then I like the Anthony pick or McKinney.

look at Patton's scouting report at nfl.com. There is PLENTY of talent. No need to rush.

Imho, Wilhoite can't be the starter here. Even if he starts, Moody and Skov would be the backups. That kind of drop-off is too big.

2b: DT/DE Carl Davis, Iowa-Love the pick and would be happy with him But I think CB is a bigger need and if Bryon Jones is there I say we take him. He fights for a starting spot day one.

I thought about Byron Jones. Still, d-line>>>>>>>>>>>>>CB. this draft is loaded with good CBs whereas 5-tech DEs are hard to find as in every draft.
BTW, we got Brock, Johnson, Cook, Acker, Reaser, Wright for now. We don't need to rush here either.

3a: DT/DE Marcus Hardison, Arizona State- I like going DT/DE in this round and I like Mario Edwards Jr. at this spot. He is versatile and has long arms/big hands, Baalke likes the ACC

I was going with Edwards in my first two mocks. Gave up on him because he doesn't seem to be a pass-rushing threat and I'm afraid that he benefitted by Goldman a lot.

3b: OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M-Now this is all about bowman's health, but I'd roll with ILB at this spot Dawson is projected around this spot and while having some character issue he just makes plays, he's about the same size as Borland and like I said if Bowman isn't ready to roll this upcoming season going after Anthony or McKinney will be a top priority like you said. Perryman is also projected to be there on the big board he wouldn't be a bad option.

Sorry but you are picking by need. I chosse by supply I get. I don't pretedermine a certain round for a certain position.

4a: WR Chris Conley, Georgia-I'm not a fan of Conley and we already grabbed a WR, I would like to get a RB, IF Hyde get's hurt we are toast at the position and if we want to run the ball we need to have a stable. I would pick between Langford, Cobb, or Allen.

tbh, this pick shouldnt be mentioned at all because he was traded away for SJ.

4b: CB Josh Cox, Mississippi State-Well if Ogbuehi is still there that would be amazing but I doubt it. Henry Anderson my be a solid pick in the 4th like you said need DL. Mitch Morse might be the pick if you want to roll OL. He is strong and tough, smaller arms so he will be stuck at OG. We did pick up Pears (for some reason lol) and he will fight for a swing tackle role next season.

Henry Anderson? meh. good football player but I'm afraid that he won't develop much anymore.

7b: RB Trey Williams, Texas A&M-I'd roll with CB in the 7th and grabbed Bobby McCain, Baalke like going CB late.

we need a change-of-pace back besides Bush.

So he is what I got (also I looked at the CBS big board as well) not sure who you traded with so I can't pin-point exact draft spots.

2a. Perriman- Boldin, Smith, Perriman are our top three and Ellington rolls into the slot.
2b. Bryon Jones-He would fight Johnson for starting duties next to Brock. (I wouldn't mind Davis either )
3a. Mario Edwards- He needs to be coached up but is a 3-4 DE for us. (if we roll Davis in 2nd Alex Carter would be fine)
3b. Dawson or Perryman- This all comes down to Bowman's health and they would battle it out with MW for a starting spot.
4a. RB is needed for depth (only as good as your backups) Langford if there would be my pick.
4b. Hope Cedric falls (wouldn't mind to trade up) but I like Morse here, added depth and OL should be looked at here.
5. Same pick- I like Amos's upside needs to learn how to tackle better but that can be taught. Not sure why we kept Dahl
6. Love your pick with Wagermann I like him over Corey on the depth chart.
7. DT grab a fatty lol
7. CB Bobby McCain, TB is known for grabbing some CBs late.

So there you have it, not really much different than yours other than WR/RB/CB a little earlier. Our draft weighs on the health of Bowman. And my point with being spoiled at LB was because we have been for years, most teams don't have one pro-bowler we've had two. Dealing with Graham, well that's a issue. If Bowman's healthy that is huge. Our pro-bowl safeties will help and Seattle's horrible o-line and our pass rush will help as well. I went offense higher because if our defense takes a dip then our offense needs to man up and score more points. This is a make or break year for Kap in my opinion....whatcha think?

too lazy to provide you an opinion now, sorry.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Comm...I like your mock a lot. I'd pick a bigger RB earlier, though. Rationale is we have Hyde, a thumper, and two speed backs in Bush and Hunter. Getting another thumper would create a very balanced corps of RB's. It's important to factor in that Chryst isn't Roman and will use his RB's in a number of different ways...another reason I'd like the balance of two power guys and two speedsters. Love the big DL...good to see you recognize that's a huge priority to sustain a powerful front 7...three might be one two many, but love the guys early. Nice job, man.

1)thx
2)yeah, the Hardison-pick is perhaps not very needed. could pick a RB here but have a hard time to decide whom I would go after. Langford doesn't seem to fit your criteria, David Johnson could be gone. David Cobb? TJ Yeldon? Mike Davis?
I would go with Mike Davis who seems to fit best though he got some conditional and fumbling issues.

Originally posted by communist:

look at Patton's scouting report at nfl.com. There is PLENTY of talent. No need to rush.

Imho, Wilhoite can't be the starter here. Even if he starts, Moody and Skov would be the backups. That kind of drop-off is too big.
I thought about Byron Jones. Still, d-line>>>>>>>>>>>>>CB. this draft is loaded with good CBs whereas 5-tech DEs are hard to find as in every draft.
BTW, we got Brock, Johnson, Cook, Acker, Reaser, Wright for now. We don't need to rush here either.
I was going with Edwards in my first two mocks. Gave up on him because he doesn't seem to be a pass-rushing threat and I'm afraid that he benefitted by Goldman a lot.
Sorry but you are picking by need. I chosse by supply I get. I don't pretedermine a certain round for a certain position.
tbh, this pick shouldnt be mentioned at all because he was traded away for SJ.
Henry Anderson? meh. good football player but I'm afraid that he won't develop much anymore.
we need a change-of-pace back besides Bush.
too lazy to provide you an opinion now, sorry.

Lol not a problem... I wasn't really drafting for need but stating a player of Dawson's abilty might be there in the 3rd basically what your saying about cbs. There is some depth at ILB as well.

Traded away for SJ? We traded for last years 4th not this years and I was including the comp pick like you did.

We need another big back not another COP we have two in bush/Hyde....anyway I don't mind your mock

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol not a problem... I wasn't really drafting for need but stating a player of Dawson's abilty might be there in the 3rd basically what your saying about cbs. There is some depth at ILB as well.

Traded away for SJ? We traded for last years 4th not this years and I was including the comp pick like you did.

We need another big back not another COP we have two in bush/Hyde....anyway I don't mind your mock

Ok. Who? I've read some reports yesterday, cannot decide.