MadDog49er Pre-Combine Top Rated Offense by Position | Page 2

MadDog49er · 2015-02-15T03:42:00-08:00

Combine fever in the air. Going into the big week, this is my list of best offensive players by position, with a few notes. QB- I like Mariota for his character and smarts, Winston for his skill and experience in a pro-style offense. I am going character over experience in a pro-set in this one. No high on one-read, tuck and run Hundley. Maybe he can develop. 1. Marcus Mariota 2. Jameis Winston 3. Garrett Grayson 4. Brett Hundley 5. Conner Halliday WR- What a group. Three number one looking WRs at the top, one that could be if he gets himself together (DGB), and a ton of depth. White best all around (I love the way he plays angry); Cooper is so smooth and effortless; Parker is so long and has a huge catch radius; Lockett simply produces- he is always the best player on the field; Strong is the best at winning the ball in the air. Just a remarkable group of young talent. 1. Kevin White 2. Amari Cooper 3. DeVante Parker 4. Tyler Lockett 5. Jaelen Strong TE- A solid pass catching group that is overall, pretty weak at blocking. Williams, to me, the best overall with the highest ceiling. Big drop off from 3 to 4. Williams is a solid overall player with so much room to grow. Funchess will be an effective move TE, and Walford can really get down the field, much like Vernon did with those seam routes. O'Leary is a pass catcher only, but smart smart smart. Heuerman simply did not touch the ball often with The three QBs, Elliott, D. Smith, E. Thomas and Jalen Marshall. Lot of players not enough ball. Effective when targeted. 1. Maxx Williams 2. Devin Funchess 3. Clive Walford 4. Nick O'Leary 5. Jeff Heuerman RB- My favorite positional group of the year. Too bad to limit to five in this catagory. Gordon is a monster. You give him a crease, and hasta. Reads the field so well. Gurley is probably the best of the group, but the ACL has me drop him one slot. Superb at every aspect of the game. Coleman can break one at any moment. Even when you game plan him (Indiana had nothing else but him this year), he still produces. Ajayi has the best stop-start of any RB in this draft. People are sleeping on him. He is a stud. Johnson can run, catch, and a bigger body. Special mention to Duke Johnson, who I really like, but his injury history is scary for me. 1. Melvin Gordon 2. Todd Gurley 3. Tevin Coleman 4. Jay Ajayi 5. David Johnson OT- Mediocre group this year. Lot of future RTs, or guys that kick inside. Scherff is so mature and pro-ready. Love the attitude. A man, not a child in a big body. Collins is a terrific player. Matured a ton over the years. Flowers is so massive. He gets his hands on you, and you are done. Peat is another tree that is raw, but has some upside at the next level. Haverstein was the second best OT at the Senior Bowl (after Collins). Good player in rush and pass. Note: TJ Clemmings of Pitt is the most athletic of the group, but fared so badly at the Senior Bowl that he flat out scares me. At times, he looked like the worst OT on the field. 1. Brandon Scherff 2. La'El Collins 3. Ereck Flowers 4. Andrus Peat- 5. Rob Haverstein OG- My favorite position to evaluate each year. I love the big uglies. Good group this year. AJ Cann is a smooth athlete for the position, a technician. Not a mauler, but can get to the second level quickly. Ready for the NFL. Can't believe John Miller is being overlooked in the draft process. Best player by a mile at the Shrine Game, and is terrific at sinking his hips when necessary to push rushers outside. A knee-bender. Favorite value player in the draft. Tomlinson was the best guard at the Senior Bowl. Squarely-shaped stud that moves pretty well, and can drive you back. Ogbuehi coming off ACL. Kicking inside for me at the next level. Mason knows how to run block. That is all they did at GT. 1. AJ Cann 2. John Miller 3. Laken Tomlinson 4. Cedric Ogbuehi 5. Shaq Mason C- A really weak group after the first three prospects. Erving moved inside from tackle, and showed he is ready to play center at a high level in the NFL. Grasu another one of those stud Pac-12 centers, who has a complete game. Garcia was the best center at the Senior Bowl, and was able to compete with some pretty decent DTs there. Marpet is a small schooler who made a smooth transition at the Senior Bowl. Played OT in college, but is moving inside in the NFL. BJ Finney is a guy who had a terrific career at KSU, and kept his QBs clean. 1. Cameron Erving 2. Hroniss Grasu 3. Max Garcia 4. Ali Marpet 5. BJ Finney Overall, outstanding talent at WR and RB. Great value at guard, and an off year at tackle, TE, and center. Another disaster at QB. I have a thread coming soon about the shift of the NFL back to a greater focus on the running game in the next few years due to the lack of upcoming QB talent. A look at the last 8 years in QBs drafted show this league is in deep, deep trouble.

Feb 15, 2015 at 5:10 PM

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Originally posted by ninergold:
Peters is pretty flaky. He was their star db but eventually got himself kicked off the team. He showboats a lot too.

I think he is an overrated prospect. Looking at a number of 2014 games, I see a guy who has great athletic ability, but is flagged too often, allows too much to inferior competition. I think he'd get trashed against some of the better receivers in the country. Lucky he was in the Pac-12, which is on a down cycle for WRs right now

Feb 15, 2015 at 5:23 PM

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Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by crew:
I can see Baalke going Defense RD1 (Brown, Armstead, Dupree) and trading down 5-7 spots to pick up an extra 3rd. I would then go WR in the 2nd and RB, OL in the 3rd.

DL, RB and WR all stocked in this draft. Keep an eye on Preston Smith if the team trades down in the second. He is a natural 43 DE, who has the ability to stack on a few pounds and shift to the 34 DE role. I think the team is all over him right now, and they should. A really terrific player at a bargain late second, early third.

If Niners go WR in the 1st, then they could address DL in the 2nd with Preston Smith and Xavier Cooper available (believe Carl Davis will go late 1st RD).
I would still prefer either Armstead or Dupree with a trade down in the 1st then go WR in the 2nd (Devin Smith, Devin Funchess and DGB might be there, Perriman will be for sure).

Feb 15, 2015 at 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by slowriot:
Great read MadDog! Thanks! I'm glad WR is looking strong again after missing out on the top prospects last season.

They can't screw up again. I liked Ellington as a 4th rounder, but had Martavis Bryant with my fourth rounder on the clock. Man, he would look good in a Niners' uni. Keep an eye on Titus Davis of Central Michigan. Absolutely zero buzz, but this guy shattered all records at CMU from a guy known as Antonio Brown. Davis is going to probably be a 4-5th rounder (there is nothing to excite anyone with his size/speed combo), but is super productive.

Do you think Baalke needs to pull the trigger on a WR in the first two rounds?

Feb 15, 2015 at 6:02 PM

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Originally posted by slowriot:
Do you think Baalke needs to pull the trigger on a WR in the first two rounds?

The team needs help and some type of long term plan at WR. Not sure it has to be through the draft. The team has aged rapidly and needs a lot of new and shiny pieces. I'd try to stick to the board as much as possible and not reach to fill a need.

Feb 15, 2015 at 6:20 PM

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Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by slowriot:
Do you think Baalke needs to pull the trigger on a WR in the first two rounds?

The team needs help and some type of long term plan at WR. Not sure it has to be through the draft. The team has aged rapidly and needs a lot of new and shiny pieces. I'd try to stick to the board as much as possible and not reach to fill a need.

Good call. I probably should have phrased my question like this: Do you think there is enough depth to pick up a quality WR prospect (future starter) after the first couple of rounds?

Feb 15, 2015 at 6:31 PM

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Hey magdog i was wondering how you would rank the receivers prospects from 6-10? I've always valued your take on prospects.

Feb 16, 2015 at 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Mann716:
Hey magdog i was wondering how you would rank the receivers prospects from 6-10? I've always valued your take on prospects.

I'll throw in ten more

1. Kevin White
2. Amari Cooper
3. DeVante Parker
4. Tyler Lockett
5. Jaelen Strong
6. Breshad Perriman
7.Dorial Green-Beckham
8. Jamison Crowder
9. Phillip Dorsett
10.Antwan Goodley
11. Sammie Coates
12. Devin Smith
13. Reshad Greene
14. Titus Davis
15. Nelson Agholor

Perriman and DGB scream potential, but I haven't seen enough productivity from either, plus DGB's off the field issues push him down my board. Maybe this will change. Crowder and Dorsett and Goodley can fly (especially Dorsett). Again, Crowder more productive. Coates wins best body contest and full of potential, but hands of stone. Smith is a 9 route receiver only, but is really good at the 9 route. Greene wins best hands. Davis is just productive...period. Agholor is a good receiver. Wish I saw more dominating performances in bigger games (he kills lesser opponents)

Feb 16, 2015 at 12:20 PM

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Good post!

Really like Lockett - WR and Collins - OG

Where do you seeing them drafted?

Feb 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM

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The hate on Green-Beckham continues. He is going to be the #1 WR in this draft.

Feb 16, 2015 at 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
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Originally posted by Mann716:
Hey magdog i was wondering how you would rank the receivers prospects from 6-10? I've always valued your take on prospects.

I'll throw in ten more

1. Kevin White
2. Amari Cooper
3. DeVante Parker
4. Tyler Lockett
5. Jaelen Strong
6. Breshad Perriman
7.Dorial Green-Beckham
8. Jamison Crowder
9. Phillip Dorsett
10.Antwan Goodley
11. Sammie Coates
12. Devin Smith
13. Reshad Greene
14. Titus Davis
15. Nelson Agholor

Perriman and DGB scream potential, but I haven't seen enough productivity from either, plus DGB's off the field issues push him down my board. Maybe this will change. Crowder and Dorsett and Goodley can fly (especially Dorsett). Again, Crowder more productive. Coates wins best body contest and full of potential, but hands of stone. Smith is a 9 route receiver only, but is really good at the 9 route. Greene wins best hands. Davis is just productive...period. Agholor is a good receiver. Wish I saw more dominating performances in bigger games (he kills lesser opponents)

Id actually like to see the Niners take 2 WR this year. Brandon Lloyd is likely gone, Crabtree is gone, Stevie Johnson probably only has one year left (max), and Boldin's career is winding down.

Feb 16, 2015 at 4:01 PM

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Originally posted by jrg:
The hate on Green-Beckham continues. He is going to be the #1 WR in this draft.

the hate? I don't think WRs that take a year off football are entitled to being regarded as the #1 WR.....

Feb 17, 2015 at 9:14 PM

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Originally posted by jrg:
The hate on Green-Beckham continues. He is going to be the #1 WR in this draft.

It's not hate as much as it is when to draft him. The kid has talent but comes with about as much baggage as there is with college prospects. Baalke/York will look like hypocrites if they draft him after all the talk about winning with class. It'd be scary to think how much damage could be done off the field with him and Aldon Smith on the roster together in one season - at least based on their pasts. Hopefully they both get it together.

[ Edited by bzborow1 on Feb 17, 2015 at 9:15 PM ]

Feb 18, 2015 at 1:21 AM

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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Good post!

Really like Lockett - WR and Collins - OG

Where do you seeing them drafted?

Lockett late second, Collins top 15-20

Feb 18, 2015 at 1:25 AM

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Originally posted by jrg:
The hate on Green-Beckham continues. He is going to be the #1 WR in this draft.

It is not about hate, it is about if a guy can keep out of trouble to stay on your roster. Everyone loves the talent of Josh Gordon, but he is a suspension machine. How does that help a franchise? At some point of the draft, he becomes worth the risk. But, as a first rounder? That is for teams to decide in their background checks and interview at the combine

Feb 18, 2015 at 1:53 AM

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Mad, where would you take DGB?