Danny Shelton-DL-Washington

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Josh Norris ranks this guy as the 27th overall prospect in the draft.

Tony Pauline wrote: "The love for Shelton in the outside world is not shared by decision-makers in war rooms, who feel he's a bit one-dimensional in his game."

Walter'sfootball says, "Shelton's Senior Bowl performance has been inflated, and he is not even close to the athlete many are comparing him to (Poe and Ngata). Shelton will have the most impact in a rotation and best when defending running plays."

I've been saying this guy is vastly overrated all offseason. Finally some people agree with me.

Dude you're listing DraftInsider and Walterfootball as your sources. lmfao.

i lol'd at that, too

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
i lol'd at that, too

Salty today are we?

I held those opinions on Shelton long before draftinsider and waltersfootball even made those comments.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
i lol'd at that, too

Salty today are we?

I held those opinions on Shelton long before draftinsider and waltersfootball even made those comments.

Not salty at all.

It's all good cuz I used to go to Walterfootball a lot to read up on prospects and I've noticed, every single year, how terrible that site has become as far as prospect rankings, fits, and team needs. Walter cares more about making jokes (that aren't even funny) than providing a reasonable opinion/scouting report.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Josh Norris ranks this guy as the 27th overall prospect in the draft.

Tony Pauline wrote: "The love for Shelton in the outside world is not shared by decision-makers in war rooms, who feel he's a bit one-dimensional in his game."

Walter'sfootball says, "Shelton's Senior Bowl performance has been inflated, and he is not even close to the athlete many are comparing him to (Poe and Ngata). Shelton will have the most impact in a rotation and best when defending running plays."

I've been saying this guy is vastly overrated all offseason. Finally some people agree with me.

Dude you're listing DraftInsider and Walterfootball as your sources. lmfao.

i lol'd at that, too

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Not salty at all.

It's all good cuz I used to go to Walterfootball a lot to read up on prospects and I've noticed, every single year, how terrible that site has become as far as prospect rankings, fits, and team needs. Walter cares more about making jokes (that aren't even funny) than providing a reasonable opinion/scouting report.

Maybe I should've quoted someone in this thread who agrees with me that Shelton is overrated instead.

Oh wait, nobody agrees with me that he's overrated.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Not salty at all.

It's all good cuz I used to go to Walterfootball a lot to read up on prospects and I've noticed, every single year, how terrible that site has become as far as prospect rankings, fits, and team needs. Walter cares more about making jokes (that aren't even funny) than providing a reasonable opinion/scouting report.

Maybe I should've quoted someone in this thread who agrees with me that Shelton is overrated instead.

Oh wait, nobody agrees with me that he's overrated.

I agree with u! lol.. But ya no I just think he's valued way to high considering in every mock I see him going top 8 and Goldman, brown and Davis going way later.

Originally posted by KaeptinKrunch:
I agree with u! lol.. But ya no I just think he's valued way to high considering in every mock I see him going top 8 and Goldman, brown and Davis going way later.

Goldman >>> Shelton.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Well to use Draftinsider or walterfootball to support your position is no better than the opinions in here.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Opinion sharing is all I was doing. Waltersfootball claims to have some access to war-room insiders, but I don't know how legitimate that information is.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
And what's your opinion on Shelton??

I thought that part was clear. I think he's a 2nd-round talent, and I've been saying so all offseason.

How do you differ 1st round to 2nd round talent??

I think Shelton has to prove he is a difference maker as a pass rusher to be worth a 1st round pick (especially at 15). I think he has some potential there, but I don't have any certainty that he'll get it done there. I also think his technique is sloppy. I think some team will want him to be that guy bad enough to take him early, but wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Well to use Draftinsider or walterfootball to support your position is no better than the opinions in here.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Opinion sharing is all I was doing. Waltersfootball claims to have some access to war-room insiders, but I don't know how legitimate that information is.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
And what's your opinion on Shelton??

I thought that part was clear. I think he's a 2nd-round talent, and I've been saying so all offseason.

How do you differ 1st round to 2nd round talent??

I think Shelton has to prove he is a difference maker as a pass rusher to be worth a 1st round pick (especially at 15). I think he has some potential there, but I don't have any certainty that he'll get it done there. I also think his technique is sloppy. I think some team will want him to be that guy bad enough to take him early, but wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.

How hasn't Shelton proved he's not a pass rusher??

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Well to use Draftinsider or walterfootball to support your position is no better than the opinions in here.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Opinion sharing is all I was doing. Waltersfootball claims to have some access to war-room insiders, but I don't know how legitimate that information is.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
And what's your opinion on Shelton??

I thought that part was clear. I think he's a 2nd-round talent, and I've been saying so all offseason.

How do you differ 1st round to 2nd round talent??

I think Shelton has to prove he is a difference maker as a pass rusher to be worth a 1st round pick (especially at 15). I think he has some potential there, but I don't have any certainty that he'll get it done there. I also think his technique is sloppy. I think some team will want him to be that guy bad enough to take him early, but wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.

How hasn't Shelton proved he's not a pass rusher??

I think there was an extra "not" in there somewhere.

I don't see him doing the things successful NFL passrushers do. He doesn't have an explosive first step, he's not a good technical hand fighter, and he doesn't have counter moves. He's a strong guy who is more nimble than a man his size should be, but he gets by on that. For contrast, Cowboy is remarkable strong and agile for his size, but he also has a library of moves he uses, many of which are setups for his dominant counters. There is no sophistication to Shelton's technique, and I don't think he's fast enough to win without moves. JMO, of course.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Well to use Draftinsider or walterfootball to support your position is no better than the opinions in here.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Opinion sharing is all I was doing. Waltersfootball claims to have some access to war-room insiders, but I don't know how legitimate that information is.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
And what's your opinion on Shelton??

I thought that part was clear. I think he's a 2nd-round talent, and I've been saying so all offseason.

How do you differ 1st round to 2nd round talent??

I think Shelton has to prove he is a difference maker as a pass rusher to be worth a 1st round pick (especially at 15). I think he has some potential there, but I don't have any certainty that he'll get it done there. I also think his technique is sloppy. I think some team will want him to be that guy bad enough to take him early, but wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.

How hasn't Shelton proved he's not a pass rusher??

I think there was an extra "not" in there somewhere.

I don't see him doing the things successful NFL passrushers do. He doesn't have an explosive first step, he's not a good technical hand fighter, and he doesn't have counter moves. He's a strong guy who is more nimble than a man his size should be, but he gets by on that. For contrast, Cowboy is remarkable strong and agile for his size, but he also has a library of moves he uses, many of which are setups for his dominant counters. There is no sophistication to Shelton's technique, and I don't think he's fast enough to win without moves. JMO, of course.

I've said my opinion on Shelton a couple times in this Draft Room so I'll just post this:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473388/article/washington-nt-danny-shelton-has-rare-strength-power



^^^This vid says pass-rusher to me

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000462723/article/mayock-danny-shelton-in-same-category-as-vince-wilfork

Bottom Line With his thick frame and powerful upper body, Shelton has moments where he can dominate at the point of attack. He was forced to chase sideline to sideline due to the nature of Pac-12 offenses, but when he faced downhill competition like Stanford, he stepped up. Shelton is an above-average interior pass rusher for a man his size, thanks to his surprising athleticism. He is a fit in a two-gap scheme and could benefit from playing fewer snaps than he was forced to play at Washington. He has an All-Pro ceiling, but must show a greater consistency of effort.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/danny-shelton?id=2552325

I don't think being an above average pass rusher in college makes anyone a sure thing in the NFL. I see a crude bull rusher. I see him having real problems with Pass rushing in the NFL, where he can't simply dominate with superior size/strength. He's athletic for his size, but he's in no way a freak like Ngata (who also has more refined technique). He could learn to be very good, but I think that's no where near a certainty.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I don't think being an above average pass rusher in college makes anyone a sure thing in the NFL. I see a crude bull rusher. I see him having real problems with Pass rushing in the NFL, where he can't simply dominate with superior size/strength. He's athletic for his size, but he's in no way a freak like Ngata (who also has more refined technique). He could learn to be very good, but I think that's no where near a certainty.

But you're not gonna know that until he actually gets into the NFL. The reason you list is the exact same reason Wilfork was also passed up for. People thought he was just gonna be a blob in the middle. I can guarantee you if they knew what Wilfork was gonna turn out to be in the NFL he would've went top 10.

What I like most about Shelton is that he's got a good head on his shoulders and proved to everyone that he got good work ethic by cutting weight right before the Combine.

And I think you need to watch Shelton a lot closer, he's more than just a bull rusher.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I don't think being an above average pass rusher in college makes anyone a sure thing in the NFL. I see a crude bull rusher. I see him having real problems with Pass rushing in the NFL, where he can't simply dominate with superior size/strength. He's athletic for his size, but he's in no way a freak like Ngata (who also has more refined technique). He could learn to be very good, but I think that's no where near a certainty.

But you're not gonna know that until he actually gets into the NFL. The reason you list is the exact same reason Wilfork was also passed up for. People thought he was just gonna be a blob in the middle. I can guarantee you if they knew what Wilfork was gonna turn out to be in the NFL he would've went top 10.

What I like most about Shelton is that he's got a good head on his shoulders and proved to everyone that he got good work ethic by cutting weight right before the Combine.

And I think you need to watch Shelton a lot closer, he's more than just a bull rusher.

I haven't seen him use any pass rush moves other than a bull rush and a push/pull. Wilfork was both stronger and more agile than Shelton, and at a much higher weight. He's more like a slower, less refined Ngata. Still not worth #15, imo. I'm pretty sure we aren't chnging each other's mids here. Like I said, I'm not saying he'll never be a good pass rusher in the NFL. I'm neither clairvoyant nor arrogant enough to make that claim. I don't see the necessary tools yet, though, so that means a team has to be certain that a player is both willing and able to quickly learn the necessary techniques to succeed in the league. That's always a tough projection to make, and A LOT of teams blow high picks hoping a DT will be theat guy for them, only to find out that their projection was flawed.

I don't care how many sacks he get's, he'll push the line of scrimmage backwards and create opportunities for others.