2013 redraft

Originally posted by Overkill:
Keenan Allen and its not even close. Not only did he show himself to be the better player last year, but we could have used him while Crabs was down.

So you'd draft a player based on 1 season's worth of need? Then relegate him to the #3 or lower role? It wouldn't work because the team obviously doesn't like to throw players in as day 1 starters unless it is beyond crucial.

Secondly Allen publicly stated he thought about quitting football because he "wasn't THE GUY anymore" and had to do some serious soul searching to realize he had to start from scratch and re-earn his reputation in the NFL. Maybe he would've instantly got that message in our locker room but also based on what I just stated above he likely barely would've seen the field as rookie on our team and been super dejected a la Jenkins and LMJ.

Can't say what would've happened if he was a 9er but that is a huge red flag.

Originally posted by sfout:
So you'd draft a player based on 1 season's worth of need? Then relegate him to the #3 or lower role? It wouldn't work because the team obviously doesn't like to throw players in as day 1 starters unless it is beyond crucial.

Secondly Allen publicly stated he thought about quitting football because he "wasn't THE GUY anymore" and had to do some serious soul searching to realize he had to start from scratch and re-earn his reputation in the NFL. Maybe he would've instantly got that message in our locker room but also based on what I just stated above he likely barely would've seen the field as rookie on our team and been super dejected a la Jenkins and LMJ.

Can't say what would've happened if he was a 9er but that is a huge red flag.

Boldin was on a one year deal last year before signing a two year extension this past March. We also have no idea where we'll end up with Crabtree's contract, even though I think we get it done. The need for a WR obviously extended beyond one year.

Your second point is true, but (as you said) nobody knows what would have happened if we took him. Crabtree was injured early in the off season, so its not like Allen would have gone into training camp thinking he would have no chance to contribute. We were also a SB favorite, something you can't say for SD. Whatever his issues were, Keenan Allen was the better player last year. I'm not saying Vance was a wasted pick that will never work out, but its obvious who would have helped us more to this point.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
If we are playing a redraft game I just would have gone back to the 2012 draft and taken Coby Fleener instead of Aj Jenkins.

the correct answer is Alshon Jeffery...

Kennan Allen obviously....and we should never been in a position to need to draft a TE because the waste of a pick on Jenkins should have been used on Zach Ertz.

Listen, I know Baalke has earned some draft capital from previous drafts, but the last 3 drafts really have sucked a$$ in my opinion.

The Jimmy Ward pick was horrible too...we should have used that wasted pick on Borland and our first to trade up for Benjamin who would totally replace Crabtree next year making WR a none issue and then used at least one of our second rounders on a huge CB.

Baalke is seriously trying my patience, and he has done nothing to help our needs or roster in the last few drafts IMO.

Originally posted by bigwads:
Kennan Allen obviously....and we should never been in a position to need to draft a TE because the waste of a pick on Jenkins should have been used on Zach Ertz.

Listen, I know Baalke has earned some draft capital from previous drafts, but the last 3 drafts really have sucked a$$ in my opinion.

The Jimmy Ward pick was horrible too...we should have used that wasted pick on Borland and our first to trade up for Benjamin who would totally replace Crabtree next year making WR a none issue and then used at least one of our second rounders on a huge CB.

Baalke is seriously trying my patience, and he has done nothing to help our needs or roster in the last few drafts IMO.

Nothing to help our needs in the last few drafts?

Hmm. Ward will be a good pick. One bad game as a rookie and he is a horrible pick? You need to adjust your expectations.

Hyde, Borland, Lynch, Reid, Patton? With a whole bundle of others sitting in the wings? I have to shake my head at the "he has done nothing to help our needs or roster in the last few drafts". Name me one other GM with the possible exception of Ozzie who has done more for his team, and this excludes, because you specifically state in the draft, his excellent FA work.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by bigwads:

Kennan Allen obviously....and we should never been in a position to need to draft a TE because the waste of a pick on Jenkins should have been used on Zach Ertz.

Listen, I know Baalke has earned some draft capital from previous drafts, but the last 3 drafts really have sucked a$$ in my opinion.

The Jimmy Ward pick was horrible too...we should have used that wasted pick on Borland and our first to trade up for Benjamin who would totally replace Crabtree next year making WR a none issue and then used at least one of our second rounders on a huge CB.

Baalke is seriously trying my patience, and he has done nothing to help our needs or roster in the last few drafts IMO.

Nothing to help our needs in the last few drafts?

Hmm. Ward will be a good pick. One bad game as a rookie and he is a horrible pick? You need to adjust your expectations.

Hyde, Borland, Lynch, Reid, Patton? With a whole bundle of others sitting in the wings? I have to shake my head at the "he has done nothing to help our needs or roster in the last few drafts". Name me one other GM with the possible exception of Ozzie who has done more for his team, and this excludes, because you specifically state in the draft, his excellent FA work.

If "Hyde, Borland, Lynch, Reid, Patton" and a "whole bundle of other sitting in the wings" is your barometer I think you may need to adjust your expectations.

Hyde and Reid appear to be solid players (I am not saying we haven't added some good players, every team does, but relatively speaking Baalke has done a very average to below average job IMO in the last three drafts). I may be watching other games or something but I am not seeing where Borland, Patton and Lynch have made much of an impact (Patton is often on the inactive roster on game days, so including him kind of proves my point.

Hyde was on my mock (and many others) so I don't know what is so special about what Baalke has done.

The problem with the Ward pick is that he will never be a true safety and is a average cover guy as a CB in my opinion. He simply is not big enough to play safety. He was a late second round IMO at best and there were tons of other options more worthy of our pick. At least he is starting though, which is better than the horrible Jenkins pick.

Originally posted by bigwads:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by bigwads:

Kennan Allen obviously....and we should never been in a position to need to draft a TE because the waste of a pick on Jenkins should have been used on Zach Ertz.

Listen, I know Baalke has earned some draft capital from previous drafts, but the last 3 drafts really have sucked a$$ in my opinion.

The Jimmy Ward pick was horrible too...we should have used that wasted pick on Borland and our first to trade up for Benjamin who would totally replace Crabtree next year making WR a none issue and then used at least one of our second rounders on a huge CB.

Baalke is seriously trying my patience, and he has done nothing to help our needs or roster in the last few drafts IMO.

Nothing to help our needs in the last few drafts?

Hmm. Ward will be a good pick. One bad game as a rookie and he is a horrible pick? You need to adjust your expectations.

Hyde, Borland, Lynch, Reid, Patton? With a whole bundle of others sitting in the wings? I have to shake my head at the "he has done nothing to help our needs or roster in the last few drafts". Name me one other GM with the possible exception of Ozzie who has done more for his team, and this excludes, because you specifically state in the draft, his excellent FA work.

If "Hyde, Borland, Lynch, Reid, Patton" and a "whole bundle of other sitting in the wings" is your barometer I think you may need to adjust your expectations.

Hyde and Reid appear to be solid players (I am not saying we haven't added some good players, every team does, but relatively speaking Baalke has done a very average to below average job IMO in the last three drafts). I may be watching other games or something but I am not seeing where Borland, Patton and Lynch have made much of an impact (Patton is often on the inactive roster on game days, so including him kind of proves my point.

Hyde was on my mock (and many others) so I don't know what is so special about what Baalke has done.

The problem with the Ward pick is that he will never be a true safety and is a average cover guy as a CB in my opinion. He simply is not big enough to play safety. He was a late second round IMO at best and there were tons of other options more worthy of our pick. At least he is starting though, which is better than the horrible Jenkins pick.

When you have a strong roster it is difficult for rookies to break in. So your comment about expectations is back at you.

And the list of GMs who have done better over the last two years? I am accepting 2012.

Originally posted by bigwads:
If "Hyde, Borland, Lynch, Reid, Patton" and a "whole bundle of other sitting in the wings" is your barometer I think you may need to adjust your expectations.

Hyde and Reid appear to be solid players (I am not saying we haven't added some good players, every team does, but relatively speaking Baalke has done a very average to below average job IMO in the last three drafts). I may be watching other games or something but I am not seeing where Borland, Patton and Lynch have made much of an impact (Patton is often on the inactive roster on game days, so including him kind of proves my point.

Hyde was on my mock (and many others) so I don't know what is so special about what Baalke has done.

The problem with the Ward pick is that he will never be a true safety and is a average cover guy as a CB in my opinion. He simply is not big enough to play safety. He was a late second round IMO at best and there were tons of other options more worthy of our pick. At least he is starting though, which is better than the horrible Jenkins pick.

just stop.

If you are talking about TE, we should have gone for Zach Ertz. Vance McDonald is going to be a bust. Got size, can block, but can't catch. I mentioned in another thread even his fellow TE at Rice, Willson who got drafted by the Seahawks in the 5th is better than him.

Originally posted by 9erred:
Re draft, do not trade down and take Zach Ertz with the second round pick. Boom done.

If you go with the trade down, then one would assume keenan, but it always seems like the niners do not do well with WR draft picks as rookies.

This.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
If we are playing a redraft game I just would have gone back to the 2012 draft and taken Coby Fleener instead of Aj Jenkins.

Alshon Jeffery for me any day !!

Originally posted by Rascal:
Alshon Jeffery for me any day !!

this

I would pick allen but this team has a hard time utilizing the strengths to their players.

One thing you can't take away from Vance is that he might be the bets blocking TE in football. If he can learn to catch: even better.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by bigwads:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by bigwads:
Kennan Allen obviously....and we should never been in a position to need to draft a TE because the waste of a pick on Jenkins should have been used on Zach Ertz.

Listen, I know Baalke has earned some draft capital from previous drafts, but the last 3 drafts really have sucked a$$ in my opinion.

The Jimmy Ward pick was horrible too...we should have used that wasted pick on Borland and our first to trade up for Benjamin who would totally replace Crabtree next year making WR a none issue and then used at least one of our second rounders on a huge CB.

Baalke is seriously trying my patience, and he has done nothing to help our needs or roster in the last few drafts IMO.

Nothing to help our needs in the last few drafts?

Hmm. Ward will be a good pick. One bad game as a rookie and he is a horrible pick? You need to adjust your expectations.

Hyde, Borland, Lynch, Reid, Patton? With a whole bundle of others sitting in the wings? I have to shake my head at the "he has done nothing to help our needs or roster in the last few drafts". Name me one other GM with the possible exception of Ozzie who has done more for his team, and this excludes, because you specifically state in the draft, his excellent FA work.

If "Hyde, Borland, Lynch, Reid, Patton" and a "whole bundle of other sitting in the wings" is your barometer I think you may need to adjust your expectations.

Hyde and Reid appear to be solid players (I am not saying we haven't added some good players, every team does, but relatively speaking Baalke has done a very average to below average job IMO in the last three drafts). I may be watching other games or something but I am not seeing where Borland, Patton and Lynch have made much of an impact (Patton is often on the inactive roster on game days, so including him kind of proves my point.

Hyde was on my mock (and many others) so I don't know what is so special about what Baalke has done.

The problem with the Ward pick is that he will never be a true safety and is a average cover guy as a CB in my opinion. He simply is not big enough to play safety. He was a late second round IMO at best and there were tons of other options more worthy of our pick. At least he is starting though, which is better than the horrible Jenkins pick.

When you have a strong roster it is difficult for rookies to break in. So your comment about expectations is back at you.

And the list of GMs who have done better over the last two years? I am accepting 2012.

The fact is, no one can name a better GM during the last four years. They can name a better player here and there, but if that's the game they want to play, then all GMs miss on a player here or there. I love how people say we should've taken Alshon Jeffrey, but would they be willing to take Chicago's drafts (the good and the bad) from 2010 to 2014?