Matt Miller (Bleacher Report) Full Mock Draft - 12/30

Boyd would be a steal in te 3rd! and for lee, it depends on how patton does.

I don't get it. 3 DL, a OLB, and 1 WR early, and only 1 CB, makes no sense IMO.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I don't get it. 3 DL, a OLB, and 1 WR early, and only 1 CB, makes no sense IMO.

What do you mean 3 DL early? He only took one DL in the first five rounds.

I definitely agree with hitting the secondary hard early and trying to get another weapon at WR. I won't quibble with you if you say he should replace the SS with another CB. CB depth is probably a bigger need, depending on what happens with Brown and Rogers and Whitner.

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I don't get it. 3 DL, a OLB, and 1 WR early, and only 1 CB, makes no sense IMO.

What do you mean 3 DL early? He only took one DL in the first five rounds.

I definitely agree with hitting the secondary hard early and trying to get another weapon at WR. I won't quibble with you if you say he should replace the SS with another CB. CB depth is probably a bigger need, depending on what happens with Brown and Rogers and Whitner.

Didn't mean early, meant 1 WR only early. Meant in total 3 DL. I don't see a DL as a pick. Same for a OLB, Lemonier and Skuta are great backups IMO.

I do like Lee and Dixon picks. And Boyd would be a steal.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I don't get it. 3 DL, a OLB, and 1 WR early, and only 1 CB, makes no sense IMO.

What do you mean 3 DL early? He only took one DL in the first five rounds.

I definitely agree with hitting the secondary hard early and trying to get another weapon at WR. I won't quibble with you if you say he should replace the SS with another CB. CB depth is probably a bigger need, depending on what happens with Brown and Rogers and Whitner.

Didn't mean early, meant 1 WR only early. Meant in total 3 DL. I don't see a DL as a pick. Same for a OLB, Lemonier and Skuta are great backups IMO.

I do like Lee and Dixon picks. And Boyd would be a steal.

I haven't begun nerding out on prospects yet, but yeah, with five picks in the first three rounds, I would say at least two CBs.

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I don't get it. 3 DL, a OLB, and 1 WR early, and only 1 CB, makes no sense IMO.

What do you mean 3 DL early? He only took one DL in the first five rounds.

I definitely agree with hitting the secondary hard early and trying to get another weapon at WR. I won't quibble with you if you say he should replace the SS with another CB. CB depth is probably a bigger need, depending on what happens with Brown and Rogers and Whitner.

Didn't mean early, meant 1 WR only early. Meant in total 3 DL. I don't see a DL as a pick. Same for a OLB, Lemonier and Skuta are great backups IMO.

I do like Lee and Dixon picks. And Boyd would be a steal.

I haven't begun nerding out on prospects yet, but yeah, with five picks in the first three rounds, I would say at least two CBs.

Yeah 1 CB isn't enough with the potential of cutting Rogers, and losing Brown in FA. And another early WR for me, since Mario is likely gone.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Yeah 1 CB isn't enough with the potential of cutting Rogers, and losing Brown in FA. And another early WR for me, since Mario is likely gone.

If I had my way we'd cut Rogers, let Brown walk, resign Wright on a hometown deal and draft 2 CBs in 2nd and 3rd respectively. Probably even keep Cox at least into TC and preseason.

Brock, Cox, Culliver, Rookie, Rookie, Wright....Kind of scary but I think there is a lot of talent in the 2nd/3rd round for CBs.

Doing this would give us the money necessary to resign Boldin, Whitner, Wright, and make the necessary low risk/high reward FAs we're accustomed too and have some room for in-season extensions we routinely offer as well. Probably go something like

Round 1: WR
Round 2: CB
Round 2: SS (if we lose Whitner I'd flip SS to round 1 though)
Round 3: CB
Round 3: WR

We'll need to replace Manningham, probably Baldwin at WR and that is IF we resign Boldin. Otherwise we'd need 3 WRs in FA or the draft. I really am anxious to see who is the higher priority from Baalke's POV between Boldin, Whitner, Brown.

TB will want a lot of money because no matter how you cut it he's grossly outplayed his $1.5M per year avg, Whitner made less than $4M per year and should be in line for raise, and Boldin has been worth every penny of the $6M he's cost and probably want similar value.....

Originally posted by sfout:
If I had my way we'd cut Rogers, let Brown walk, resign Wright on a hometown deal and draft 2 CBs in 2nd and 3rd respectively. Probably even keep Cox at least into TC and preseason.

Brock, Cox, Culliver, Rookie, Rookie, Wright....Kind of scary but I think there is a lot of talent in the 2nd/3rd round for CBs.

Doing this would give us the money necessary to resign Boldin, Whitner, Wright, and make the necessary low risk/high reward FAs we're accustomed too and have some room for in-season extensions we routinely offer as well. Probably go something like

Round 1: WR
Round 2: CB
Round 2: SS (if we lose Whitner I'd flip SS to round 1 though)
Round 3: CB
Round 3: WR

We'll need to replace Manningham, probably Baldwin at WR and that is IF we resign Boldin. Otherwise we'd need 3 WRs in FA or the draft. I really am anxious to see who is the higher priority from Baalke's POV between Boldin, Whitner, Brown.

TB will want a lot of money because no matter how you cut it he's grossly outplayed his $1.5M per year avg, Whitner made less than $4M per year and should be in line for raise, and Boldin has been worth every penny of the $6M he's cost and probably want similar value.....

Boldin should be higher priority than Whitner and Brown. He's got a few years left and the way he's playing we might as well let him finish his career here. He shouldn't command too much $$, and his play has been irreplaceable.

Secondary pieces are more fungible, imho, especially when they ask for big raises. See: Goldson.

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Boldin should be higher priority than Whitner and Brown. He's got a few years left and the way he's playing we might as well let him finish his career here. He shouldn't command too much $$, and his play has been irreplaceable.

Secondary pieces are more fungible, imho, especially when they ask for big raises. See: Goldson.

mhmm I think Boldin is #1 priority, he's been invaluable for us.

So while I like the idea of getting a top WR in the 1st round I kind of think it would be best to do 2013 round 1 redo and trade up and take the best CB/SS we can get; depending on who we don't resign out of Whiter and Brown. I think Rogers is gone for sure cause we have the leverage of Eric Wright at a younger age and a much cheaper price tag.

Originally posted by sfout:
mhmm I think Boldin is #1 priority, he's been invaluable for us.

So while I like the idea of getting a top WR in the 1st round I kind of think it would be best to do 2013 round 1 redo and trade up and take the best CB/SS we can get; depending on who we don't resign out of Whiter and Brown. I think Rogers is gone for sure cause we have the leverage of Eric Wright at a younger age and a much cheaper price tag.

I'm generally hesitant to trade up because I get attached to so many prospects in the 2-4 range. But I can't complain about Eric Reid.

That said, Brock/Culliver/Wright is a halfway decent talent base. I don't think we're desperate there. If we can re-sign Whitner for a reasonable price, our secondary is in surprisingly good shape. So while I definitely think we need to hit it a couple times in the draft, I don't know if we need to get too crazy.

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by sfout:
If I had my way we'd cut Rogers, let Brown walk, resign Wright on a hometown deal and draft 2 CBs in 2nd and 3rd respectively. Probably even keep Cox at least into TC and preseason.

Brock, Cox, Culliver, Rookie, Rookie, Wright....Kind of scary but I think there is a lot of talent in the 2nd/3rd round for CBs.

Doing this would give us the money necessary to resign Boldin, Whitner, Wright, and make the necessary low risk/high reward FAs we're accustomed too and have some room for in-season extensions we routinely offer as well. Probably go something like

Round 1: WR
Round 2: CB
Round 2: SS (if we lose Whitner I'd flip SS to round 1 though)
Round 3: CB
Round 3: WR

We'll need to replace Manningham, probably Baldwin at WR and that is IF we resign Boldin. Otherwise we'd need 3 WRs in FA or the draft. I really am anxious to see who is the higher priority from Baalke's POV between Boldin, Whitner, Brown.

TB will want a lot of money because no matter how you cut it he's grossly outplayed his $1.5M per year avg, Whitner made less than $4M per year and should be in line for raise, and Boldin has been worth every penny of the $6M he's cost and probably want similar value.....

Boldin should be higher priority than Whitner and Brown. He's got a few years left and the way he's playing we might as well let him finish his career here. He shouldn't command too much $$, and his play has been irreplaceable.

Secondary pieces are more fungible, imho, especially when they ask for big raises. See: Goldson.

I agree Boldin should be priority #1. Then Whitner, and Dawson in no order. I think Dawson is the easiest signing, if Seely is here, Dawson stays. Brown likely bolts. I was told he wasn't happy about losing the $2M escalator. And he was offered the deal Brock got, and declined.

Rogers should be cut. Wright re-signed, re-sign Cox, draft 2 CBs early. The toughest is Whitner, I want him back, but I dont or at least hope he doesn't command a lot of money. He is still young in a way, similar to Brown's age. So it makes sense. If we can get Donte at $4M a yr it's worth it.

Basically retain Boldin at $5-$6M a yr, Whitner at $4M a yr, Dawson at $2.5M for 1 yr, tender Wilhoite, re-sign Cox and Wright to minimum deals. Wright would have incentives, and roster bonuses, stuff that protects us in case problems happen.

Then restructure Vernon and P-Willis and extend them, save cap space. Also maybe McDonald.

And look into extending Kap, Aldon, Crabs, and Bruce Miller.

Brooks deal shoul de-escalate about $1.6M down, and Miller should get a raise from $645K to $1.33M due to playing time and performance.

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by sfout:
If I had my way we'd cut Rogers, let Brown walk, resign Wright on a hometown deal and draft 2 CBs in 2nd and 3rd respectively. Probably even keep Cox at least into TC and preseason.

Brock, Cox, Culliver, Rookie, Rookie, Wright....Kind of scary but I think there is a lot of talent in the 2nd/3rd round for CBs.

Doing this would give us the money necessary to resign Boldin, Whitner, Wright, and make the necessary low risk/high reward FAs we're accustomed too and have some room for in-season extensions we routinely offer as well. Probably go something like

Round 1: WR
Round 2: CB
Round 2: SS (if we lose Whitner I'd flip SS to round 1 though)
Round 3: CB
Round 3: WR

We'll need to replace Manningham, probably Baldwin at WR and that is IF we resign Boldin. Otherwise we'd need 3 WRs in FA or the draft. I really am anxious to see who is the higher priority from Baalke's POV between Boldin, Whitner, Brown.

TB will want a lot of money because no matter how you cut it he's grossly outplayed his $1.5M per year avg, Whitner made less than $4M per year and should be in line for raise, and Boldin has been worth every penny of the $6M he's cost and probably want similar value.....

Boldin should be higher priority than Whitner and Brown. He's got a few years left and the way he's playing we might as well let him finish his career here. He shouldn't command too much $$, and his play has been irreplaceable.

Secondary pieces are more fungible, imho, especially when they ask for big raises. See: Goldson.

I would love to bring Boldin back, but personally, right now i see Whitner as the bigger priority. Too many what ifs in the secondary if he isain't resigned. Im also not sold on this years S class. It was much stronger last year and thats why a lot of us guys wanted two S taken in early round last draft. Didn't happen and here we are. WR class is fairly strong, and Crabtree will hopefully be 100% starting the season and Patton seems to have nice potential.

Personally i would take a couple WR's and CB's before the halfway point in the draft, then take a S project or two in the mid to later rounds. Sean Parker, or Christian Bryant for example.

Like i said, i hope Boldin is back, but personally i see Whitner as the biggest priority this offseason.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I agree Boldin should be priority #1. Then Whitner, and Dawson in no order. I think Dawson is the easiest signing, if Seely is here, Dawson stays. Brown likely bolts. I was told he wasn't happy about losing the $2M escalator. And he was offered the deal Brock got, and declined.

Rogers should be cut. Wright re-signed, re-sign Cox, draft 2 CBs early. The toughest is Whitner, I want him back, but I dont or at least hope he doesn't command a lot of money. He is still young in a way, similar to Brown's age. So it makes sense. If we can get Donte at $4M a yr it's worth it.

Basically retain Boldin at $5-$6M a yr, Whitner at $4M a yr, Dawson at $2.5M for 1 yr, tender Wilhoite, re-sign Cox and Wright to minimum deals. Wright would have incentives, and roster bonuses, stuff that protects us in case problems happen.

Then restructure Vernon and P-Willis and extend them, save cap space. Also maybe McDonald.

And look into extending Kap, Aldon, Crabs, and Bruce Miller.

Brooks deal shoul de-escalate about $1.6M down, and Miller should get a raise from $645K to $1.33M due to playing time and performance.

Well, I obviously can't say any of this any better than that.

Kap, Aldon, and Crabtree are franchise players. Simple.

We already have a franchise OL and LB corps. And now a franchise FS. This is why I want to take two CBs early. We won't draft in the top 10 in the foreseeable future, but if you swing twice, better chance you knock it out.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I agree Boldin should be priority #1. Then Whitner, and Dawson in no order. I think Dawson is the easiest signing, if Seely is here, Dawson stays. Brown likely bolts. I was told he wasn't happy about losing the $2M escalator. And he was offered the deal Brock got, and declined.

Rogers should be cut. Wright re-signed, re-sign Cox, draft 2 CBs early. The toughest is Whitner, I want him back, but I dont or at least hope he doesn't command a lot of money. He is still young in a way, similar to Brown's age. So it makes sense. If we can get Donte at $4M a yr it's worth it.

Basically retain Boldin at $5-$6M a yr, Whitner at $4M a yr, Dawson at $2.5M for 1 yr, tender Wilhoite, re-sign Cox and Wright to minimum deals. Wright would have incentives, and roster bonuses, stuff that protects us in case problems happen.

Then restructure Vernon and P-Willis and extend them, save cap space. Also maybe McDonald.

And look into extending Kap, Aldon, Crabs, and Bruce Miller.

Brooks deal shoul de-escalate about $1.6M down, and Miller should get a raise from $645K to $1.33M due to playing time and performance.

No way we get Whitner to resign at essentially the same value of his current deal. He made $3.9M per year under his current deal...even if it is nothing but a contract year abheration the market will dictate that he makes more money than $4M per year. He'd have to give us one hell of a discount to come back at the price.

I think it is more reasonable to assume Boldin will come back at a value comparable to the $6M he made this year. However the FO will set a precedent for Crabtree if they offer a 33/34 year old Boldin $6-7M a year when Crabtree is already making $6M a year from his old rookie deal. Will the FO be willing to give Crabtree the $8M give or take a few mill he could be worth?