Donte Moncrief-WR-Ole Miss

I was one of the biggest Eric Reid fans on the internet last year. I consistently said he was the best safety in the draft when most people had him as a late-1st or 2nd round pick. But when I saw Donte Moncrief burn Eric Reid for a TD I knew I'd stumbled upon a good one.

It's a no-brainer for me. Moncrief & Matthews are both great WR prospects, and for some reason neither one is being looked at as a 1st round pick. They're both gonna be steals IMO. Matthews is a bit safer pick IMO.

Look at him juke this dude with a fake to the right:

Here's his workout at the combine. Look how smooth & sudden his cuts are. He just seems focused, confident & quick:

Originally posted by VPofCarnage:

Look at him juke this dude with a fake to the right:

I wouldn't say he "juked" him. Made a move to the outside, which the CB had to respect, which gave him the one step he needed to get inside. CB was on him the entire time though. Pretty basic move imo.

Originally posted by Travisty13:

I wouldn't say he "juked" him. Made a move to the outside, which the CB had to respect, which gave him the one step he needed to get inside. CB was on him the entire time though. Pretty basic move imo.

I forgot to mention that TD was against current Bucc' & 43rd overall pick Johnthan Banks. And the CB wasn't "on him" at all. Moncrief's entire body was like a yard out of Banks' reach.

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:
And you will be looking at that other team wondering why the 49ers didn't draft him. He's more athletic, faster, and quicker than Matthews. Don't get me wrong, Matthews is a hell of a prospect but he's more of the possession receiver type than Moncrief. The biggest issue I've seen from Moncrief is bodying the ball, not the ability to separate or being able to blow the top off the defense.

I admit I've had a draft crush on this guy, but the more video I watch the more I'm seeing this. This could be an issue with the velocity Kap puts on his throws.

i agree. catching one of kap's bullets with your body will ricochet balls into the air which will lead to INTs.

Originally posted by pfizz:
i agree. catching one of kap's bullets with your body will ricochet balls into the air which will lead to INTs.

Crab did that several times with his hands. I hate seeing body balls, but you can get killer richochets from hands, as well. I don't think he has bad hands; he actually seems to have soft hands. I think he needs to work on concentration and confidence at the catch point, which I think is a much easier fix (repetition forever, like Vernon).

Originally posted by VPofCarnage:

Originally posted by Travisty13:

I wouldn't say he "juked" him. Made a move to the outside, which the CB had to respect, which gave him the one step he needed to get inside. CB was on him the entire time though. Pretty basic move imo.

I forgot to mention that TD was against current Bucc' & 43rd overall pick Johnthan Banks. And the CB wasn't "on him" at all. Moncrief's entire body was like a yard out of Banks' reach.

Against a zone

Originally posted by Quest4six:

I'm just going to throw my 2 cents in here...

Speaking from an Economics standpoint (actually a lot of comparisons can be made to how we draft and evaluate players to compliment our team to how economists fit new markets and proposals in to help the economy.)

IF we were to acquire Matthews, it would be at a higher cost than that of Moncrief. Almost every draft projection out there has Matthews going in front.
Gentlemen, economics is all about the trade-offs.
Getting Matthews would ideally cost us our 1st round pick. (He will not be there come pick 56 and so help me god if somebody thinks so)

^That would mean we go pick up Matthews, and the trade off is any 1st round defensive talent.
So we miss our chances on guys like Verrett, Fuller, Roby, Tuitt... They are out the window

IF we pick up a guy like Moncrief, it will likely cost us our second second round pick. Which means we can address some defensive concerns and still pick up quality defensive players ahead of Moncrief.

Drafting Moncrief will allow our draft to look something like,
1. Fuller, Roby, Verrett,Tuitt
2. Another safety, maybe a center or a D-lineman here
3. Moncrief




With that being said, it makes more sense for us to draft a guy like Moncrief and fill in some defensive talent around him. The difference between Matthews and Moncrief is not much. But luckily for us their projected draft stock is the biggest difference between the two.
Getting Matthews would cost a lot more than people think and in doing so he probably would become our ONLY rookie contributor.

Right because we wouldn't be able to pick up defensive help with our second round picks...

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by VPofCarnage:

Originally posted by Travisty13:
I wouldn't say he "juked" him. Made a move to the outside, which the CB had to respect, which gave him the one step he needed to get inside. CB was on him the entire time though. Pretty basic move imo.

I forgot to mention that TD was against current Bucc' & 43rd overall pick Johnthan Banks. And the CB wasn't "on him" at all. Moncrief's entire body was like a yard out of Banks' reach.

Against a zone

What? That's off-man across the board. The only defenders dropping to a zone are the ILB and the Nickle, who don't have any threats coming out of the backfield.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by DeUh:
Can you show that ? When there is no one in front of him I have NEVER seen him get chaught from behind. And I saw every Vanderbilt game last season and most in 2012.
Also Matthews takes a lot of pride in that and says it frequently. I have never heard a scout or expert say different.

Go to YouTube, hit the search tab, type in Jordan Matthews and click on any of the links. The videos speak for themselves. Living in Memphis our tv market for the SEC is either Vandy or Ole Miss, so I have seen plenty of both guys in several games. I am a fan of both guys, I just feel Moncrief better fits our needs than Matthews. Again, if we could get both, I'd be f**kin' ecstatic.

I think you misunderstand what Jordan Matthews means by saying "i never got caught from behind". Of course he got tackled from behind. I think there is not a single player that never got tackled from behind. BUT WHEN HE IS IN THE OPEN FIELD RUNNING WITH FULL SPEED DOWN THE SIDELINE WITH NO ONE IN FRONT OF HIM HE NEVER GOT CAUGHT FROM BEHIND. If you still disagree with that feel free to show the world the exact plays you are speaking about, cause Matthews is taking a lot of pride in that.

I think that if there were instances where that happened, it would make his YouTube highlights...don't you? I watched him play his entire career and he just doesn't get deep much. The YouTube videos speak for themselves. He is very good after the catch and makes some difficult catches, but I cannot remember but one single time where he had a long touchdown due to his speed. If we needed another possession reviever I would want Matthews, but we do not need another one. You guys need to quit actin like I am saying he sucks, I like the kids game, but we need someone that has better deep speed.

Instances where he is not getting caught while running full speed down the sideline with no one in front of him ??

Here is one example


Here is another example



Also you said he doesn go deep much ( which is not true as he caught 12 catches 20 yrds or deeper last season. Only Cooks (17), Benjamin (14) and Evans (18) caught more balls 20 yrds or deeper when talking about the big names.). But what has that to do with the statement that he has never been caught anyways ??

Normally receivers need a season to make the full transition to the NFL. So yes we should draft another possesion receiver this year for Boldin or Crabtree.

No one is acting like you dont like him. Your statements are just not true.

Note: If needed we should continue this discussion in the Jordan Matthews not in the Donte Moncrief thread.

So two examples out of a four year career against two of the worst defenses in the SEC means he never gets caught from behind?

okay if you says so, you didn't change my opinion one bit though.

You´re funny.

Ok a few more examples

at 1.25 no one in front not getting caught.


at 3.40 no one in front not getting caught
at 0.57 not getting caught from behind. would have been gone if not for the safety
at 1.13 not getting caught from behind. would have been gone if not for the safety
at 2.57 not getting caught from behind although there is a safety in front of him
at 3.17 not getting caught from behind although there is a safety in front of him





Again it is not only me. Matthews takes a lot of pride in that and says it frequently. And not a single scout or expert has disagreed with his statements yet. Feel free to post a single play where he is running full speed with no one in front of him and getting caught from behind.

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Right because we wouldn't be able to pick up defensive help with our second round picks...

If you can name a rookie who can come in and contribute to our defense that isn't a first round talent please feel free..
.

I'm waiting

Note: And i am also talking about a full game contributor, not some dime package CB or 3rd string ILB

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Against a zone

Also that clearly wasn't a zone.

You can tell with the no safety set, and also watch the lb and other corners mark a man and follow.

Two strikes lol

Interesting that Matt Barrows said that Moncrief is bigger and more physical than Jordan Matthews, but Matthews is faster, stronger hands, and better route runner