Who do you not want us to draft?

Originally posted by sfout:
So Quinn took cash or "impermissible" benefits and that makes him a bad person??

Yeah it does. Let me put it this way. At #7, we have our pick of the litter. Why take someone who shortchanged himself of his senior year? Shortchanged his program. He took shortcuts, the easy way out. I am sure knowing full well that if anyone found out he would be a goner. He did it anyway.

Plus a year of working out by himself without the team is not a positive. An extra full year vs. ACC competition would have been but he threw that away.

Unless he's the next Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White, forget this guy.

Originally posted by rivercity:

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Blaine Gabbert - Not at #7

Cam Newton - Not at #7

Jake Locker - Not at all on the first day

Robert Quinn - Not at #7

Almost this-Add Mallet

OK, let me get this straight. The 4 teams left in the NFL playoffs all have QBs who were 1st-round picks; we have a new coach who's greatest strength may be developing QBs and who has stated, in contrast to his predecessor, that QB is the most important position; the draft has a number of high-ceiling QBs; the only QB on our roster is David Carr; and most of you all don't want to even consider drafting a QB! I beg to differ. Maybe there will be some way to trade back to the teens, pick up a 3rd, and still get one of those guys without picking them 7th, but we need to draft one early and give Harbaugh something to work with.

Yah so??? A 2nd round QB beat a 1st round QB last year in the Super Bowl.

Ryan Leaf... I mean Mallett. I literally wouldn't want him in round 5

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Ryan Leaf... I mean Mallett. I literally wouldn't want him in round 5

Let's all hope you aren't Trent Baalke.

I could get not wanting him... but Round 5??


C'mon Man

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by sfout:
So Quinn took cash or "impermissible" benefits and that makes him a bad person??

Yeah it does. Let me put it this way. At #7, we have our pick of the litter. Why take someone who shortchanged himself of his senior year? Shortchanged his program. He took shortcuts, the easy way out. I am sure knowing full well that if anyone found out he would be a goner. He did it anyway.

Plus a year of working out by himself without the team is not a positive. An extra full year vs. ACC competition would have been but he threw that away.

Unless he's the next Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White, forget this guy.

I hope you weren't being serious. That's ridiculous.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by sfout:
So Quinn took cash or "impermissible" benefits and that makes him a bad person??

Yeah it does. Let me put it this way. At #7, we have our pick of the litter. Why take someone who shortchanged himself of his senior year? Shortchanged his program. He took shortcuts, the easy way out. I am sure knowing full well that if anyone found out he would be a goner. He did it anyway.

Plus a year of working out by himself without the team is not a positive. An extra full year vs. ACC competition would have been but he threw that away.

Unless he's the next Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White, forget this guy.

I hope you weren't being serious. That's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous to view a guy who got kicked off the team for an entire season as having character concerns? Maybe you can explain what makes it ridiculous. I am being honest here don't understand.

Not saying he's the antichrist . I am saying that it shouldn't be written off as a "he's not really a bad guy" type of thing. It does speak to your character as a man when you cheat the rules, which is what he did. Let me put it this way, at #7 I'd rather have Von Miller than Quinn. The talent level is not that different, and when Quinn was sitting at home last year, Miller was winning the Butkus Award as a 3-4 OLB.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by sfout:
So Quinn took cash or "impermissible" benefits and that makes him a bad person??

Yeah it does. Let me put it this way. At #7, we have our pick of the litter. Why take someone who shortchanged himself of his senior year? Shortchanged his program. He took shortcuts, the easy way out. I am sure knowing full well that if anyone found out he would be a goner. He did it anyway.

Plus a year of working out by himself without the team is not a positive. An extra full year vs. ACC competition would have been but he threw that away.

Unless he's the next Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White, forget this guy.

I hope you weren't being serious. That's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous to view a guy who got kicked off the team for an entire season as having character concerns? Maybe you can explain what makes it ridiculous. I am being honest here don't understand.

Not saying he's the antichrist . I am saying that it shouldn't be written off as a "he's not really a bad guy" type of thing. It does speak to your character as a man when you cheat the rules, which is what he did. Let me put it this way, at #7 I'd rather have Von Miller than Quinn. The talent level is not that different, and when Quinn was sitting at home last year, Miller was winning the Butkus Award as a 3-4 OLB.

Marvin Austin was the guy UNC kicked off the team, not Quinn. It's premature to say the kid is a bad guy because he made one mistake. Reggie Bush and his parents took a lot of improper benefits and I would say Bush hasn't had huge character concerns with the Saints.

My Wants...

1st Tier:
Peterson/Amukamara - I don't expect lock down... might struggle with quick receivers. Just someone who can get us more then 3 INTs at the corner position would be nice.

Dareus/Fairley - Soap/McDonald are nice but don't offer too much in the pass rush area. Getting a consistant rush while sending only 3 men would be nice.

AJ Green - Not sure I could pass on this guy even if some of those others are on the board. WR isn't even a top 3 need but would make a great 1/2 punch with Crabtree. Also, would be a nice way to go with a vet QB.

2nd Tier:
Da'Quan Bowers - A bit of a risk and not sure he would fit the 3-4 position. A ton of upside but could be risky.

Robert Quinn - Risky but could be that pass rushing OLB that finally gets a consistent rush. It's nice having 3 or 4 guys that get 5 sacks each but I'd like that 10-15 sack guy ever year.

If We Trade Down:
Akeem Ayers - Mid 1st
JJ Watt - Mid 1st
Allen Bailey - Mid 1st
Julio Jones - Mid 1st
Cameron Jordan - Mid 1st
Justin Houston - Mid to Late 1st
Brandon Harris - Mid to Late 1st
Jake Locker - Mid to Late 1st

Don't Like:
Blaine Gabbert
Ryan Mallett
Adrian Clayborn

Don't Want at All:
Cam Newton

So 7 players in the first 2 categories so one of them should be ours. Those our my first choices based on our needs and fit. The trade down category is something to think about. Guys that would probably be reaches at 7 but not so much at 12-18 or so. This about covers most of the players in the first rounds that fit our needs/system.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by sfout:
So Quinn took cash or "impermissible" benefits and that makes him a bad person??

Yeah it does. Let me put it this way. At #7, we have our pick of the litter. Why take someone who shortchanged himself of his senior year? Shortchanged his program. He took shortcuts, the easy way out. I am sure knowing full well that if anyone found out he would be a goner. He did it anyway.

Plus a year of working out by himself without the team is not a positive. An extra full year vs. ACC competition would have been but he threw that away.

Unless he's the next Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White, forget this guy.

I hope you weren't being serious. That's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous to view a guy who got kicked off the team for an entire season as having character concerns? Maybe you can explain what makes it ridiculous. I am being honest here don't understand.

Not saying he's the antichrist . I am saying that it shouldn't be written off as a "he's not really a bad guy" type of thing. It does speak to your character as a man when you cheat the rules, which is what he did. Let me put it this way, at #7 I'd rather have Von Miller than Quinn. The talent level is not that different, and when Quinn was sitting at home last year, Miller was winning the Butkus Award as a 3-4 OLB.

Marvin Austin was the guy UNC kicked off the team, not Quinn. It's premature to say the kid is a bad guy because he made one mistake. Reggie Bush and his parents took a lot of improper benefits and I would say Bush hasn't had huge character concerns with the Saints.

Bush is a whining **** who's failed big time to live up to his draft status. He hasn't had character concerns what is your point? Randy Moss had big character concerns which is why he fell in the draft and his character has been a big issue his whole career. You want to draft they guy who the NCAA kicks off the team, fine. I don't.

None of the QBs!

Or trade down and pick one. As far as who we need most--a pass rusher or CB would be my choice.

The new coaching staff has seen many of these players for years (perhaps recruited some?) so they would have a good idea if someone is a character risk or just made a mistake. I would not eliminate a guy on character knowing as little as we do. Having Charles Haley on the team bothered me but he sure made a difference at game time.

Cam Newton is way overrated

Originally posted by rivercity:
OK, let me get this straight. The 4 teams left in the NFL playoffs all have QBs who were 1st-round picks; we have a new coach who's greatest strength may be developing QBs and who has stated, in contrast to his predecessor, that QB is the most important position; the draft has a number of high-ceiling QBs; the only QB on our roster is David Carr; and most of you all don't want to even consider drafting a QB! I beg to differ. Maybe there will be some way to trade back to the teens, pick up a 3rd, and still get one of those guys without picking them 7th, but we need to draft one early and give Harbaugh something to work with.

You do realize this is the first time this has ever happened, right? Knowing this don't you think it's counter-productive to your argument?

Prince Amukamara.



If no one is ready to draft a QB in the first round (the most important position on the field), I am not ready to take a chance on a guy who can get beat so many times against a redshirt sophmore at #7

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by rivercity:
OK, let me get this straight. The 4 teams left in the NFL playoffs all have QBs who were 1st-round picks; we have a new coach who's greatest strength may be developing QBs and who has stated, in contrast to his predecessor, that QB is the most important position; the draft has a number of high-ceiling QBs; the only QB on our roster is David Carr; and most of you all don't want to even consider drafting a QB! I beg to differ. Maybe there will be some way to trade back to the teens, pick up a 3rd, and still get one of those guys without picking them 7th, but we need to draft one early and give Harbaugh something to work with.

You do realize this is the first time this has ever happened, right? Knowing this don't you think it's counter-productive to your argument?

The league's changing, becoming even more quarterback-driven all the time. It's not a total accident that they're all 1st-rounders this year. Singletary tried the "let's-go-back-to-the-old-ways" strategy. Fail. Harbaugh gets it.
And to Kolohe, Brees was the 2nd QB drafted his year, the first pick of the second round, so that's not a very persuasive counter-example.

JAKE LOCKER would be a good fit in Harbaughs system, but if they pass on a Qb in round one then we should take Dalton or Stanzi in round two.