Build for the future Mock

RollinWith21n52 · 2011-01-12T23:45:08-08:00

So everyone for some reason pushes the idea that the niners are a "win now" team. This is not my approach to next season. This is not to say that I want to tank and draft Luck first overral next year. I think we build to compete for the division now, but also make some moves that will pay off in year 2 or 3. Our best players are young, our O-line core is young. Our D is young, and Justin Smith is playing like he's got a decade left--his intensity and effectiveness haven't slipped one bit. Furthermore, we have most players under contract for a while. WE DO NOT HAVE TO WIN NOW!!! So without further ado... Resign Players -Abrayo Franklin: We are a better defense with him. We have enough holes on this D without creating one more, at arguably the most important position on that side of the ball. NTs are not easy to find, Raji isn't sitting on our bench, and RJF is unproven to say the least. I don't want to give him a long contract, but it will have to be at least 4 years, which at his age should be fair to both sides. He is a GOOD player. Elite? no. Will we overpay slightly for him due to the premium for the position? yes. But he's mostly worth it. Good player that makes our D significantly better. SIGNIFICANTLY! -Westbrook: WC experience, and has enough left in the tank. Harbaugh will know how to use him to exploit weaknesses in the D. -Troy Smith: We only have Carr on the roster currently. Soon as he's cut, we're at 0 QBs. We need someone as backup, right? -LaBoy: Our best pass rusher. He's a good addition to the team. -McDonald: Depth Free Agents -Nnamdi Asomugha: Make no mistake about it, fan forums for 30 other teams, and the GMs for 30 other teams are figuring Nnamdi into their 2012 plans. Our chances aren't amazing, but they're solid. We have proximity, another elite player on the defense (Willis), and an exciting new coach. What helps us most is that Nnamdi is a Bay Area guy, and has always played here. My money is on the fact that he's been watching Stanford recently and is as amazed by Harbaugh as we all are. But can we compete with the Jets or NE? -Trent Edwards: see reasons for Troy Smith ***If we want Nnamdi, we are going all in with him. This means our FA agent resources (GM time, Paarag's time, Harbaugh's time, etc) are being fully dedicated in the first hours of FA to his signing. This means no other big name FAs. ***we may also add a few OL, DL, DB and OLB FAs later on. No major names tho. Restructure: Clements: Clements takes a pay cut and moves to safety. He knows he's not making real good money anywhere. His reputation for giving up the big play and leading the worst secondary in the league, doesn't do him any favors. If he refuses, let him walk. I think he realizes this. Draft Rd. 1) Jake Locker- QB Washington: Harbaugh will coach him up. This guy is the real deal. Raw yes, but a QB--a real one, with the potential to be great. Arm, athletecism, footwork (which I find to be the most important thing to any sport), and leadership. He's a man. He will take time to develop, and is the main reason we are not going to be superbowl contenders in 2011. But if he develops like he should under Harbaugh, he can be elite very early on, and make us Superbowl contenders very soon. Watch the tape on him, his team gives him NOTHING. His receivers get driven out of bounds by DBs....WHAT CAN HE DO??? He scares me a bit, but make no mistake about it, he's in a different universe than a guy like Mallet (2nd round talent at best). Rd. 2) Trade for 2012 1st round pick. I see no value here player wise. We build smart, and do what NE or the niners of old would do. This might be sad now, but sets us up big time for 2012 success. Plus, you can get lucky, and it could be a very early pick. Rd 3) Titus Young- WR Boise: Adds speed to the offense, and helps in the return game. I love Ginn on ST, but he's not going to be a legitimate receiver in this precise route running offense. Young adds another dimension for Harbaugh to attack with. Rd 4) Ricky Elmore- DE/OLB Arizona: Having played against him several time, Harbaugh is well aware of this prospect. Really a good pass rusher, and will develop into a solid OLB for us. This is going to be our weakest position after this offseason, but perhaps Elmore can hold it down for just a year. Rd 5) Stanley Havili- FB USC: Perfect WCO FB. Just a great fit all around. Rd 6, 7, 7 - Use for depth at OL, OLB and DB. QB- Locker, T. Smith, Edwards RB- Gore, Westbrook, Dixon WR- Crabtree, Morgan, Young, Williams, Ziegler, Ginn LT- Staley, Boone LG- Iupati, Snyder, Wragge C- Heitman, Wragge RG- Rachal, Snyder RT- Davis, Boone, FA/late draft pick NT- Franklin, RJF RDE- Sopoaga, McDonald LDE- Smith, Tukuafu OLB- Elmore, LaBoy ILB- Willis, Bowman ILB- Spikes, McKillop OBL- Haralson, Brooks, Gibson CB- Nnamdi, Spencer, Brown, James, Adams, Brock FS- Clements, Goldson SS- R.Smith, Mays, Taylor K- Nedney LS- Jennings P- Lee PR/KR- Ginn, Williams, Young biggest remaining needs: DE, OLB, long term FS, RG ***If I listed a player that's a FA but didn't mention him, just assume we resign him ***This is more than 53 on the roster I think. Further cuts will be made. Just didn't care to be picky between Brock and James...etc

Jan 13, 2011 at 12:35 AM

ninerbrand
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Not down with Locker in the 1st.

When we can probably get him in the 2nd.

I say CB 1st.

then locker.

Im good with Titus Young. I also like Jeff Maehl in the 3rd. for a slot WR.

Jan 13, 2011 at 12:39 AM

RollinWith21n52
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Originally posted by ninerbrand:
Not down with Locker in the 1st.

When we can probably get him in the 2nd.

I say CB 1st.

then locker.

Im good with Titus Young. I also like Jeff Maehl in the 3rd. for a slot WR.

Locker doesn't get out of the top 10. 2nd round? ZERO chance. ESPN might think he's slipped, but I promise you, scouts are still very high on him.

Jan 13, 2011 at 12:46 AM

ninerbrand
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Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by ninerbrand:
Not down with Locker in the 1st.

When we can probably get him in the 2nd.

I say CB 1st.

then locker.

Im good with Titus Young. I also like Jeff Maehl in the 3rd. for a slot WR.

Locker doesn't get out of the top 10. 2nd round? ZERO chance. ESPN might think he's slipped, but I promise you, scouts are still very high on him.

Locker is the 4th rated QB on ESPN.

I don't know what scouts on teams will say. This is my only source.

His stats have dipped this year under his 2nd year in a pro system. He is often erratic in the pocket and holds the ball too long. They compared him to Alex Smith on SI. Thats from another source (Mike Mayock).

I don't see 4 QBs going in round 1. It doesn't happen that often. I don't think it will this year.

I think Gabbert, Newton, and Mallet go in Round 1. Mallet is iffy to me.

If Colt McCoy can go to round 3 and Jimmy Clausen in round 2.

I can definitely see this happening.

Jan 13, 2011 at 1:09 AM

jojomellon
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Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by ninerbrand:
Not down with Locker in the 1st.

When we can probably get him in the 2nd.

I say CB 1st.

then locker.

Im good with Titus Young. I also like Jeff Maehl in the 3rd. for a slot WR.

Locker doesn't get out of the top 10. 2nd round? ZERO chance. ESPN might think he's slipped, but I promise you, scouts are still very high on him.

And you know this how?
And where does this rap about Locker having ZERO talent on his team come from? Washington beat Nebraska with almost no help from Locker. They cant be that bad. Jay Cutler played on a Vanderbilt team that was MUCH MUCH worse than the 2010 Washington team and he never looked as bad as Locker has this season. I dont understand how a guy who cant move the ball in 2 different chances against nebraska and a few other teams this year, is an elite prospect and in your words, a SUPERBOWL QB. It makes no sense.

Jan 13, 2011 at 1:52 AM

RollinWith21n52
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Originally posted by jojomellon:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by ninerbrand:
Not down with Locker in the 1st.

When we can probably get him in the 2nd.

I say CB 1st.

then locker.

Im good with Titus Young. I also like Jeff Maehl in the 3rd. for a slot WR.

Locker doesn't get out of the top 10. 2nd round? ZERO chance. ESPN might think he's slipped, but I promise you, scouts are still very high on him.
And you know this how?
And where does this rap about Locker having ZERO talent on his team come from? Washington beat Nebraska with almost no help from Locker. They cant be that bad. Jay Cutler played on a Vanderbilt team that was MUCH MUCH worse than the 2010 Washington team and he never looked as bad as Locker has this season. I dont understand how a guy who cant move the ball in 2 different chances against nebraska and a few other teams this year, is an elite prospect and in your words, a SUPERBOWL QB. It makes no sense.

Have you watched him closely? He has issues, sure, mostly I'm worried about him putting too much zip on short passes, and having awkward movement running play action, however....his footwork is superb, his running ability is unbelievable for a QB from a speed, power, and vision standpoint. He accelerates like no QB I've ever seen. He has the arm to make every single throw, and often displays ridiculous accuracy. He is also clutch, making big plays when they count, and playing his best in the biggest games. He is inconsistent, does move out of the pocket too much, and is very raw. The biggest difference between Locker and Alex, however, is that Locker is a man, while Alex Smith, even 6 years into his pro career, is still not a man. Locker controls the huddle, pumps up the players around him, and is a superb general on the field. Have you seen Alex Smith in a locker room post-game? THAT is why Alex is a looser. Nice kid, but as a leader he gets a ZERO. Alex was also developed by one moron after another, which ultimately sealed his fate. If we had Singletary I wouldn't touch Locker, but Harbaugh is the wild card in all this. He can take a kid with Locker's skill set and make him elite. Bring back Nolan and I change my pick. As for the talent around him, the defense played amazingly in the Nebraska game (although some of the plays Nebraska was calling on offense were truly painful). Otherwise the talent wasn't there. Watch the games! His receivers get constantly dominated by DBs, and are never where they're supposed to be. They're horrible...pure trash. Not one of those guys would even get a look in camp. No TE, no worthwhile RB, and the entire defense geared to stop him. Still, the team wins a bowl game. Watch him, the kid is TALENTED. From a talent and intangibles standpoint, he is elite.

Jan 13, 2011 at 1:56 AM

RollinWith21n52
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Originally posted by ninerbrand:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by ninerbrand:
Not down with Locker in the 1st.

When we can probably get him in the 2nd.

I say CB 1st.

then locker.

Im good with Titus Young. I also like Jeff Maehl in the 3rd. for a slot WR.

Locker doesn't get out of the top 10. 2nd round? ZERO chance. ESPN might think he's slipped, but I promise you, scouts are still very high on him.

Locker is the 4th rated QB on ESPN.

I don't know what scouts on teams will say. This is my only source.

His stats have dipped this year under his 2nd year in a pro system. He is often erratic in the pocket and holds the ball too long. They compared him to Alex Smith on SI. Thats from another source (Mike Mayock).

I don't see 4 QBs going in round 1. It doesn't happen that often. I don't think it will this year.

I think Gabbert, Newton, and Mallet go in Round 1. Mallet is iffy to me.

If Colt McCoy can go to round 3 and Jimmy Clausen in round 2.

I can definitely see this happening.

ESPN knows nothing. Ever. Read some decently reputable scouts. Online scouts aren't amazing, but some offer good insight. CBS Sports' Rob Rang has discussed him quite a bit, and I've been following his analysis of Locker all year. Also, please provide the link to Mayock comparing Locker to Smith. I don't buy it. Plus, Mayock recently has been talking nonsense. Ever since his "Rober Ayers is the best player in the draft" stage, I have a hard time taking him seriously.

Jan 13, 2011 at 2:23 AM

backontop
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Say no to Locker! Passing up on Prince will be a huge mistake. Especially when we can get Stanzi in the later rounds.

Jan 13, 2011 at 5:47 AM

niners9
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Originally posted by backontop:
Say no to Locker! Passing up on Prince will be a huge mistake. Especially when we can get Stanzi in the later rounds.

ditto, i like Prince in the 1st and maybe Locker in 2nd

Jan 13, 2011 at 6:09 AM

TalkinBoutWILLIS
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if you really want to go after locker i say we try to trade down and get in the 15-20 range. we thus pick up an extra pick and go after him where i feel drafting locker is ok for the price.

Jan 13, 2011 at 6:40 AM

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SandSlingin49er
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Yeah imagine if we got Nadi and still drafter prince at 7!!!!

Jan 13, 2011 at 6:51 AM

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TheXFactor
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I think Locker could def fall deep into the first

Jan 13, 2011 at 6:56 AM

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I like the 2nd round trade!

I like Locker but I just think Niners can trade down and still get him. At #7 you have to go CB/OLB/DE.

Jan 13, 2011 at 7:05 AM

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This is becoming my biggest pet peeve, people thinking that we can somehow fix our QB issues with Stanzi or Dalton or some guy in rd 7. Let's try this: what 3 positions dictate whether you are a winning team? And the answer...drumroll...quarterback! Quarterback! Quarterback! Singletary has brainwashed you all. Think Walsh, not Singletary! Bring the QB back to SF! In this scenario we are fixing the secondary by shifting Nate and signing Nnamdi, we'll be OK. Has anyone watched Stanzi? He's not that good. If he were...we would be talking about him in the first. If 32 teams pass on a QB, and 6 pass on him twice, I would say it's fair to assume that this QB seeing success would be a surprise, rather than the expectation. Unless everyone on this board is so brilliant, that they see something on YouTube that GMs around the league havent noticed through hours Nx hours of legitimate tape study. Locker is an elite talent, with elite intangibles, and could receive elite coaching from Harbaugh. He's not there yet, I know, but watch a game...you'd be hard pressed to find many issues with his game. Don't be a stat/YouTube GM.

Jan 13, 2011 at 7:06 AM

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RollinWith21n52
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Originally posted by genz22:
I like the 2nd round trade!

I like Locker but I just think Niners can trade down and still get him. At #7 you have to go CB/OLB/DE.

Secant trade down because I don't see the Titans passing in Locker. He's much more highly regarded than this board realizes